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In Ukraine, IT Freelancing Under Threat

An anonymous reader writes "According to the new tax law (Google translation; Russian original) that is being developed now and should take effect on January 1, 2011, it will not be possible for a private Ukrainian entrepreneur to provide any services to foreign companies without becoming a full-fledged company with a dedicated bookkeeper. Currently it is possible to perform such services and pay the equivalent of $25 in tax. Instead of raising the tax (which is overall welcomed by the community), the legislators plan to outlaw ISP, e-commerce, and Internet-based services — along with any services provided to foreign entities — for individual entrepreneurs. So starting in 2011, freelancers in Ukraine will have several choices: stop doing freelance work, start working illegally, become a full-fledged company subject to multiple cumbersome rules for taxation, or leave the country."

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  1. Re:"Professor killing Ukraine by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Don't worry, he's in good company. The professor-in-chief in the US is also killing the country, and is doing quite a bit of kissing of foreign leader asses...

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  2. INCREASE in TAXES = FIGHT FLIGHT or FRAUD by cheekyboy · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Increase in taxes never gives you more money, never ever, zero, zip.
    Every man and women will say, fuck you govt, you take more money for me, ill work less, or fraud more and cheat the system. That is a given, every person will love to shoot a thief (govt taxer) in the balls with a gun.

    Lazy ass, govt workers are stupid, they have their guranteed high wages, with high pensions. THe stupid theives.

    Tell me , if the govt takes 59% of my pay, why should I bother to work hard at all, or even at 50% of my fastest possible level, never, >50% taxes is 100% slavery.

    If your work/effort makes you rich, you can pay for everything, and need zero govt help. Hence, its in the govt interest to make everyone well off so the govt is not needed.

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  3. where do you libertarians come from? by circletimessquare · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    what incredible suspension of disbelief allows you to completely and utterly ignore the obvious and practical benefits of paying taxes?

    i could call you low iq, because what you say is obviously unintelligent, but i am certain you are not a stupid person

    what i want to know is how is it possible for you to have a mind, and yet encourage a behavior which you KNOW to be counter to the functioning of a society?

    the need to pay taxes to support functions that you yourself take advantage of every day: its such a brain dead obvious observation. so i want to know how you can know this, yet somehow encourage a behavior which undermines those community functions

    i know you are not stupid. so please come clean about why you believe what you say is coherent, when it obviously is not coherent

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  4. i understand you hate government by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    the question is, why do you think corporations would act any better?

    what i'm saying is: list every abuse by government you hate

    ok, now do you not see that corporations would do every abuse you have listed, and MORE, since they are not accountable to anyone? at least the government is accountable to its citizens, so it can be CLEANED UP

    instead, you want to destroy governments, thereby handing all the power to corporations

    in other words: your complaints about government abuses are valid, and i agree with your complaints

    but your solution to the problem creates a problem which is WORSE than what we currently have

    you should CLEAN UP government, not DESTROY it

    i hope you can see the wisdom in these words

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  5. you're a freeloading parasite by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    you profit off the common good of communities, and you have the arrogance to believe that the money you make is through some sort of magic of your own

    continue being a parasite, good for you. but don't make believe that the money in your bank account is anything else than an abstract representation of the wealth of a community (that you are not part of, and you do not contribute to: a parasite)

    the money of the country in your bank account continues to stay wealthy (and therefore its abstract representation, its currency, continues to have value) only because they tax members of that community to maintain the health of that community

    i would bet you don't have Haitian Gourdes or Somalian Shillings in your bank accounts. because those currencies represent communities that are not invested in or maintained. so they stay poor. however, i bet you have some euros, pounds, or dollars in your bank accounts. because those currencies are abstract representations of communities that protected, invested, and maintained, through taxes. so the full effect of your "ideology" is to argue for the devaulation of your own bank accounts. doesn't make much sense does it?

    you have fallen through the cracks. good for you, enjoy your nomadic existence. but don't make believe what you are is anything more than that of a freeloader. give something back to that which you take from, or cease to be a valid commentator on that which you do not contribute to

    what i am saying is that because you do not give to the communities we are members of, you have no right to comment on them, because you have no stakes in them, because you do not contribute to them. the amazing arrogance is that you think you still have a right to comment. you've given up the right to matter, by ceasing to contribute

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  6. ah, psychology speaks loudly here by circletimessquare · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    i've notices you've responded a lot in this thread. therefore the issue is dear to your heart

    there's a saying, shakespeare: "methinks the lady doth protest too much". that you say so frequently and loudly that you don't care about a characterization of you only means that the characterization strikes its mark very close, and you know it

    the proof of what i think of you requiring no defense from you is when you simply do not respond to attacks on beliefs you hold

    the simple truth is, you fight tooth and nail because much of what is being said here strikes so close and rings so true, and you are beginning to realize it

    which is good, because it means you are thinking about your parasitical existence, and you yourself are wondering about your place in the world

    someday you will get to the truth, you are far from it now. but you will get to it on your own. indeed, i won't get you there by insulting in a comment thread on slashdot. so good luck on your lonely journey back to moral and intellectual coherence my friend

    right now, you are nothing more than a freeloading vampiric parasite, and you are beginning to realize it, as demonstrated by your vigorous rejections here, which is good

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  7. yes, it doesn't exist in a world run by thieves by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    luckily "a world run by thieves" is hysterical hyperbole on your part, not reality

    to continue to derive benefits from the community, and to view contributions to the maintenance of that community as letting your "blood be sucked" just because there are thieves somewhere in that community, is incredibly retarded

    either go live in the woods, and use nothing of the community. or contribute to the community you are a part of. if that community has problems, that in no way excuses you from your obligation to contribute. if a thief exists, you should be interested in catching him: you should be interested in the health of your community

    but you don't care about the health of your community. you see someone else freeloading off your community, and you think that is a signal to justify your own parasitism! hilarious

    thieves do exist, and all you can think of is "well, then i should be a thief too". you are a freeloading parasitical selfish piece of shit who commits the even worse sin of not admitting what he is. you actually rationalize your parasitism as somehow correct and noble. incredible

    thank you for the journey into the mind of a thief, and how they rationalize their sorry existence. what an asshole

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  8. logic 101 by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    1. a rich society is a complex society. it is not possible to be a rich society and everyone is toiling in the same type of job

    2. a complex society has members whose income is from various, complicated sources, representing the full spectrum of possible job types and services a mature rich society makes possible, and needs

    3. therefore, tax sources must reflect the various sources of income, or certain members of society get away with being undertaxed and not paying their fair share

    with me so far, asshole?

    currently, you believe that a simpleminded hamfisted approach to taxes is somehow superior: that there might be 20-30 types of revenue stream out there... but you only need to tax one or two. what?!

    all you wind up doing is making taxes even more unfair than they currently are. you probably do this to justify your own desire to contribute less than you should. so with every word you write, you demonstrate even more what a freeloading parasitical asshole you are

    and go ahead, keep hording gold. its value is so high now, its got nowhere to go except down. it really says a lot about your investment intelligence that you think buying an investment when its value is skyhigh is a wise course of action. unless you believe society is going to breakdown and we're going to be living like mad max. that you believe that a pile of gold makes you anything more than just a big fat target in such a world says even more about your intelligence

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  9. you're surprisingly naive and uneducated by circletimessquare · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    government exists because all of the abuses of government would continue if there were no government, only worse: corporations and mafia would fill the power void, commit the abuses you dislike about government now, and then a couple dozen worse abuses

    government is a necessary evil. governments commit abuses, yes. the best that can be done is continually clean up government and continually prevent it from going bad

    but to believe that you can get rid of government merely means you don't understand the full range of evils that are out there or are possible in this world. you're quite clueless

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