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CWmike writes "Michael Workman, an associate professor at the Florida Institute of Technology's Nathan M. Bisk College of Business, estimates that monitoring responsibilities take up at least 20% of the average IT manager's time. Yet most IT professionals never expected they'd be asked to police their colleagues and co-workers in quite this way. How do they feel about this growing responsibility? Workman says he sees a split among tech workers. Those who specialize in security issues feel that it's a valid part of IT's job. But those who have more of a generalist's role, such as network administrators, often don't like it. Computerworld contributor Tam Harbert found a wide variety of viewpoints from IT managers, ranging from discomfort at having to 'babysit' employees to righteous beliefs about 'protecting the integrity of the system.'"

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  1. Know when by Dyinobal · · Score: 3, Funny

    You have to know when to police people. For example I only talk to people when their porn viewing habits get so strange that it started to expose the company to all sorts of lawsuits.

    1. Re:Know when by c0mpliant · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's such a bad example. Any porn viewing in a company environment leaves the company open to all sorts of lawsuits from sexual harassment to violation of ethics laws. As an IT Security professional, I need to be acutely aware of the risks the company can expose itself to. As part of our computer usage policy, anyone getting internet access must agree to express conditions of using it, for example no file downloads, no porn, no webmail etc. We monitor usage in co-ordination with blocking software to ensure compliance with this policy to ensure the safety of not just the IT infrastructure but also the companies regulatory, compliance and law requirements

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    2. Re:Know when by mopower70 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As an IT Security professional, I need to be acutely aware of the risks the company can expose itself to.

      "Those who specialize in security issues feel that it's a valid part of IT's job."

      And, we're done here.

    3. Re:Know when by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You make sound as if Internet monitoring is the only sort of monitoring being done these days. Many big corporations now keep logs of files that have been executed, and some even install keyloggers and computer forensics software.

      So it isn't even just a matter of porn or file downloads or webmail. They're tracking everything done on the computer. I wonder just how useful that tracking can be, considering the huge volume of data on any network of significant size.

    4. Re:Know when by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To add to that, who actually browses porn at work. I mean, every few months, I hear a story about some politician or city employee being caught browsing porn on work hours, and I just think wow. Is your job that boring? Is your life that boring? Of all the things there are on the internet that won't get you in quite so much trouble, they choose to look at porn. Not that there's anything wrong with doing it on their own time, but they have to just know it's going to end up badly. When I'm bored at work, I visit lots of non-work related websites, but I just really don't understand the porn-at-work thing.

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    5. Re:Know when by couchslug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "For example I only talk to people when their porn viewing habits get so strange that it started to expose the company to all sorts of lawsuits."

      This thread is worthless without pics!

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    6. Re:Know when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a security professional in a VERY large company, you'd be amazed how many people go to porn sites on work computers. For some people, it seems like porn is like an addiction. They crave that "stimulation" so badly that they can't wait until they're somewhere else, or perhaps they don't have a computer at home, or perhaps the only computer at home is in a public area where other people can see what they're doing. There are many reasons why someone would chose to do something like that at work.

      They also don't seem to believe the warning on the computer when they log in every morning telling them that we ARE monitoring their activities.

      The problem is that new sites pop up all of the time, so trying to block them is like the old "whack a mole" game at the carnival.

      I found one company-issued laptop with 16GB of porn videos, including kiddie porn. That was immediately turned over to the proper authorities and, if my information is correct, the former employee is now in prison.

    7. Re:Know when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I used to have to browse porn at work - I worked on a porn links directory...

      I also had to monitor employees in case they visited accountancy or crochet pattern sites, the filthy beggars!

    8. Re:Know when by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So a Slashdotter claims that part of his workload involves being "acutely aware" of all the various kinds of porn out there, and that trolling coworkers files for instances of such constitutes a "valid part" of his job, and you say we're done here?

      Come on! This warrants at least one +5 Funny comment.

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    9. Re:Know when by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      putting people to prison for downloading porn, even child porn, what a fucked up society.

    10. Re:Know when by russotto · · Score: 2, Funny

      As part of our computer usage policy, anyone getting internet access must agree to express conditions of using it, for example no file downloads, no porn, no webmail etc. We monitor usage in co-ordination with blocking software to ensure compliance with this policy to ensure the safety of not just the IT infrastructure but also the companies regulatory, compliance and law requirements

      My company has a very strict policy as well. You're expected as a condition of employment to acknowledge that you may end up seeing stuff that will burn your eyeballs out and that you're OK with that. Then you can access the whole Internet.

    11. Re:Know when by dave420 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Use more lotion.

  2. Panopticon is here to stay by Xemu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Society is growing used to more extensive monitoring overall. We monitor our babies with webcams. The webcams are then used in schools to monitor class rooms and playgrounds. When we grow up, we rename them security cameras and appoint low wage individuals as our watchmen.
    In some areas of the world such as the UK, computers are already being used to analyze the images from the security cameras. Storage capacity grows, and data gathered from the image analysis are stored for a lifetime. They can be used to enhance the analysis of your children's children. The ones which protests are considered suspicious with "something to hide". The ruling class are the only ones exempt from monitoring.
    In the next step, computers are used to analyse images from private bedrooms and bathrooms. After all, who needs to worry about privacy when it's only a computer watching. It's all about protecting us from the boogey man. Think of the children!

    Resistance is futile. You will be monitored.

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  3. You have to. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "He goes through the logs to see if there's anything in there that needs to be exposed or discussed." Activity related to porn, gambling or hate speech automatically raises red flags, he says.

    He once caught an employee who was engaged in criminal activity involving intellectual property that could have resulted in a big financial loss for the company.

    Many years ago, I was in the company's server room talking to a buddy and he mentioned that an employee was taking up quite a bit of drive space - with porn. The guy had a problem. All you need is one guy with a problem like that to download some kiddie porn and your business will be shut down and you go to jail - over an employee with a problem. The guy I mentioned was talked to and I think he was asked to resign.

    Observers say IT managers can expect to be asked to take on even more monitoring duties, such are reviewing video surveillance, examining text messages, tracking employee location by GPS or listening in on social media.

    That's going too far. Come on - a Stalinist company?!?

    Larger companies have started to hire third-party firms to monitor what's said about them in the blogosphere and on social media sites, but in many midsize and small companies, this duty could fall to IT.

    That's also going too far. It's one thing what an employee does on company time and with company's resources, but they do on their own time - as long as it's legal shouldn't be a company's business.

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    1. Re:You have to. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What bothers me about this whole situation is that the IT guys are not managers -- so why are they watching over the employees to any degree? It is one thing if someone happens to stumble across something unusual, such as your example with the excessive disk space, and then reports that to a manager, but it is quite another story when IT guys are being asked to actively monitor other employees. The managers should be the people who watch over the employees and make sure that the equipment (i.e. computers) is being used properly, and they should not try to pass off that responsibility to someone else.

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    2. Re:You have to. by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All you need is one guy with a problem like that to download some kiddie porn and your business will be shut down and you go to jail

      I want to challenge this. This has been posted 10+ times in this discussion with nothing to back it up. Why would the activities of an individual in the company result in shutting down the company and sending anyone to jail? That makes no sense.

      On a related note: This is how EULAs come to exist. Someone assumes that they might be liable for some action someone else performs. So they try to get around it by making you agree to some big contract that waives liability. Over time the EULA grows, filled with such legal fallacies until it becomes 20 pages of legaleeze. In reality, there never was any liability in the first place.

  4. Waste of time by Jjeff1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As I tell my customers when they ask, "You can't fix behavioral issues with technology." If employees want to waste time instead of working, they can surf the web or send chain emails. Take that away, they can play solitaire. Take that away, they can gab around the water cooler or stare into space and day-dream. Blocking porn and gambling sites is probably a good idea for liability purposes, but I can't see that it helps productivity.

    Most frequently I'm asked to look at log files or email and tell employers things that I simply cannot know. I can tell them that an employee didn't log in to their PC until 10am, but I have no way of knowing when they actually arrived at work.

    1. Re:Waste of time by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As I tell my customers when they ask, "You can't fix behavioral issues with technology." If employees want to waste time instead of working, they can surf the web or send chain emails. Take that away, they can play solitaire. Take that away, they can gab around the water cooler or stare into space and day-dream. Blocking porn and gambling sites is probably a good idea for liability purposes, but I can't see that it helps productivity. Most frequently I'm asked to look at log files or email and tell employers things that I simply cannot know. I can tell them that an employee didn't log in to their PC until 10am, but I have no way of knowing when they actually arrived at work.

      I don't know, if the banned slashdot I would probably be working on a programming problem. On the other hand if they hadn't banned orgasm.com i'd ......

    2. Re:Waste of time by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If my employer blocked /. I'd be on Dice.com right now.

      I have a friend whose employer actually encourages him to read /. because it increases his awareness of emerging things in the IT field. I'm inclined to agree.

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  5. Where do you work? by linzeal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unless you are working for a fortune 500 company whose image is often worth more than its current product line up, who cares? The only filters I have ever ran at a company I did IT for was for a list of of words that included, Lolita, Child Porn, Underage, No-nude and Preteen. We caught one contractor during the 8 months I worked there and it was his personal laptop, so we contacted the FBI. He was arrested on suspicion and they found enough Child Porn on his home computers that we never heard about him again, I moved before it could be brought to trial.

    People surf porn at work that is just going to happen, if there work does not suffer and they are adults it is far more worthwhile to spend time worrying about security which can get you in real trouble.

  6. As an IT Manager for a small company by ircmaxell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I personally don't care what other people do in general. I am not their boss, and it's not my job to police what they do during work hours. I do keep logs, so if a person's manager wants to see what they've been doing I can give them a report. The only thing that I personally care about is employee behavior that may compromise my network. I do watch TCP traffic for abnormalities, and do have a black list of sites that will alert me if someone tries to visit something dangerous. Other then that, I really could care less if someone spends half their day on Facebook. It's not my job to make sure that other people are working...

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    1. Re:As an IT Manager for a small company by ircmaxell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do you care "personally" about your network?

      I consider it my network (and care about it), because of two reasons. First, I'm responsible for maintaining it. So when someone else fucks it up, I have to fix it (at whatever cost, whenever it's needed). Second, because I'm responsible for it, so if it goes down it looks bad upon me (Even if it was someone else's problem). I may be a rare bread in recent times, but I actually care about what I do and the way I am perceived to others (with regards to my work at least). If people can't do work because my network is having problems, that's my fault. So to save myself the potential hassle, I take proactive measures.

      I don't consider Facebook dangers. I do consider pages that are linked to by Facebook dangerous. But if I black listed any site that linked to dangerous content, I'd have to take away the entire internet. And I don't consider it my place to tell users what sites are valid for business reasons and those that are not. Some people do use Facebook for actual work (some of us do research on people, so sometimes they do need to visit Facebook, Linkedin, Twitter, etc)...

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    2. Re:As an IT Manager for a small company by ircmaxell · · Score: 2, Informative

      Refusing to do reasonable duties as requested by management will make it a short career for you.

      Where do you get that? I never said I was refusing to do a reasonable duty. What I said was that I am unable to do a duty that requires me to make decisions that I am not empowered to make. I've been asked more than once to do things that I was not empowered to do (either by company policy, or by my direct boss's direction), and each time that situation came up, I negotiated it into a raise and an increase in responsibility.

      You're right, saying no when they ask you to do something will make a short career. But I don't say no, I say that I am sorry but I am unable to to do that because of x y and z. If they say to do it anyway, then I would normally either go to my direct boss, or as high as I need to (depending on who's asking) to get permission...

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  7. Employee monitoring is not really new by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When it comes to being employed, though, bosses and managers have always watched their employees to some degree -- that is, of course, the purpose of being the boss. A good boss knows what sort of things are worth confronting an employee about -- maybe it is OK for someone to be chatting with their sweetheart, as long as their work is getting done, but maybe it is not OK for someone to be watching their sweetheart stripping in a video chat even if the work is getting done.

    TFA raises a slightly different issue: when one employee is asked to monitor the others. Sysadmins should not be asked to take on the responsibility of watching employees; that is a manager's responsibility. If the manager is not technically competent to monitor computer use, then there is a question of why that person is managing people who use computers for their work -- the manager should be competent with the equipment.

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    1. Re:Employee monitoring is not really new by iamhigh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the manager is not technically competent to monitor computer use, then there is a question of why that person is managing people who use computers for their work -- the manager should be competent with the equipment.

      That's a bit much. The accounting manager should be able to keep up with the latest ways to hide computer usage? Does that mean the most able computer user should be the head of each department regardless of ability to manage that department? Also, aren't the guys trying to hide stuff more likely to become the most compentent user therefore allowing them to be the "boss". Of course that means as you go up the the chain of the company it just keeps being more and more technically superior people, regardless of ability to do the job.

      No, I'll stick with the idea that the department manager should know his specific job better than anyone. That includes the IT Manager, and he should be ultimately responsible for all computer usage.

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  8. Re:Waste of time... by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Monitoring other employees computer usage - one of the many non value adding tasks that have found their way into large corporations. It ranks up their with human resource departments!

    Not quite. It doesn't have such a negative impact on other people's productivity

  9. Re:Please do by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    we pretend to work; they pretend to pay us

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  10. BOFH by dkleinsc · · Score: 2, Funny

    The real problem with official monitoring duties is that you have to send the results to management instead of the local newspaper, or maybe a television show.

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  11. Re:it's a valid part of IT's job by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    By analogy, imagine a railroad. Instead of computers, we have locomotives, and instead of IT staff, we have mechanics who maintain those locomotives. Now, whose responsibility should it be to check it on the employees who operate the locomotives to make sure they are doing their job, the mechanics, or the manager?

    Passive monitoring is one thing -- if an IT worker sees something strange, like an employee storing many terabytes of porn on company computers, then of course that should be reported to the boss. Active monitoring is another story -- IT staff should not be expected to check in on employee activity on the computers to make sure that people are working. Actively monitoring the employees is a manager's job.

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  12. when my budget is cut by archangel9 · · Score: 2

    and they hire some wanker to perform a six-figure vapor-job such as "business development" and I find his user/IP spending 5 hours out of the day on time-wasting sites, that's when I take the report to the COO. Don't hack and slash IT resources to let some slacker take up my bandwidth with car races on YouTube and 360.

    underpaid (if only in my mind): check.
    bitter on weekdays: check.
    vindictive: check.

  13. There's some paranoia at play, too. by Delusion_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I worked IT at a mortgage company run by someone without much in the way of morals. He wanted a print-tracking solution to monitor who was printing and what they were printing. As it happens, I later worked for a company which provided this exact solution, but ultimately it didn't matter because what he wanted was something he didn't want to spend any actual money on, and at the time any solutions were resource-intensive for a file and print server running on a then-midline Pentium 166 MHz, so it would have required spending money on hardware upgrades, too.

    He wanted this solution to protect his leads, which he was convinced were walking out the door from employees taking them and selling them to his competitors; ultimately, it was one of those cases of suspecting other people were doing exactly what he would have done in their situation. I suspect there's a fair amount of this attitude, and it's probably more common in smaller businesses than Fortune 500 companies, who are generally more interested in liability.

  14. Productivity does not come with surveillance by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It comes with a worker's willingness to work for you. If he WANTS to actually work for you instead of just getting paid for spending time at your office, he will work. Else he will do a half assed job, surveillance or not.

    If you give your employees freedom and the ability to actually enjoy working for you, they will be much more productive. Because they WANT to be productive. Because they WANT your company to be successful, because that means they can keep that job. Sure, you will always have the ones that slack off, and not putting an eye on them constantly sure gives them an easier way to do that. But their coworkers, the ones that actually want to work for you and do want your company to thrive because it means a good, enjoyable job for them, will quickly identify such slackers and they will do the surveillance for you. Peer pressure can be quite powerful, to the point where your slackers will quickly realize that it's not the boss but the other employees that get angry with him if he's not pulling his weight. Plus, you can do without the investment in cams and surveillance staff. Your workers will do that for you. For free.

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  15. It happens by onyxruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It happens, and if it's not done by IT monitoring just gets done elsewhere. The thing that baffles me is that people are surprised when it happens. All that being said they have much stronger laws on privacy in Europe than here in the US and you have to be aware of international laws for such things. You can rack up some pretty serious legal fines or jail time depending on what country your employee is working in, and even more if the data is brought back to the US (as we have horribly weak privacy laws). If your not careful you can readily have violations of HIPAA, SEC rules or SOX as well.

    All that being said, when monitoring inevitably comes up, your job is never to say 'no'. If you do that they will simply find someone else and you will have damaged your career. Your job is to ensure that if it has to happen it happens in full compliance with the letter of the law and any special rules that affect your organization. You'd be surprised at the dollar amounts fines start at, it can easily be six figures. After presenting all the legal requirements to perform a given piece of monitoring to your management, don't be surprised if they back off altogether.

    Monitoring has it's place, I try to encourage managers to use monitoring tools like a surgeons knife, not a chainsaw. I've known of employee backlash that can cause significant employee relations damages to organizations when tools were used overly broadly. And for crying out loud, if your at work, assume your being monitored and work accordingly. Whether you telecommute or otherwise, you never work in a vacuum.

  16. Re:Please do by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    we pretend to work; they pretend to pay us

    Unless our paychecks (and the money we get when we cash them in) are a figment of our collective imagination, there is strong physical evidence that suggest they indeed do pay us. Maybe not in imaginary worlds, but certainly in the real one.

  17. Re:it's a valid part of IT's job by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its not an accurate analogy to compare locomotive mechanics and IT staff. Using a airline, and stewardesses would be closer since train mechanics don't ride with the passengers

    But that said, i don't care who you are, if management says you are to monitor, then its your job. Hell, if the says 'don't worry about the servers, go mop the floor', then that is your job for the day.

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  18. Summary is Redundant by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I realize it's a matter of perspective... hell I've filled both roles so I know how it goes. However, the "generalist network admin" is monitoring employee actions and behaviours already. If they're not, then they're not doing a very good job. The perspective difference comes in the fact that most of the time said generalist is doing reactive monitoring, not proactive. As a result, the network admin typically does not realize that someone is attempting to compromise systems until the attempt is already occurring. There is a certain amount of proactive monitoring that the generalist does, but it tends to be limited.

    Proactive monitoring at the employees desktop or application level does sometimes tend to highlight trends in employee actions before they get anywhere in a compromise situation. That means that the good generalist with a wider scope will be able to predict much better that problems are or will be occurring and take appropriate actions.

    Now, the upper management trend of monitoring just to see exactly what their employees are doing... this I also think is fair so long as the rules are advertised and applied evenly. Remember, we are at work doing a job because we can and do. We are using company resources to do so, and we are paid for our work. I'll leave the conversation about whether we're paid enough to the individual, but I would contest that the best paycheck you're going to get from the job is about the same or less than everyone else in your field and location are demanding. Economics at work.

    There is a point at which the monitoring becomes too much. I know my web habits are monitored by my management but I feel I have nothing to hide. I can justify every site I visit and the length of time I spend on those sites because when I'm at work, I'm working. I save personal web surfing for breaks or lunchtime and my management understands there are a few personal websites I visit on a frequent basis. Like Slashdot. I have worked in a much stricter environment where they absolutely stated no personal web surfing at work, and that was also fine because I just found other things to do during break and lunch. Note that I was also far more likely to go out and take my 1 hour lunch because of this policy... my current work environment's policy of "personal stuff OK at lunchtime" means that typically I'm at my desk during lunch so if something comes up, I'm here.

    Maybe I'm just getting old, but I think the summary and the article are making generalizations that cannot be supported in the real world. Even when I started out as a junior network admin some 20 years ago give or take I understood the need and desire for monitoring employees. Since I also owned my own business for a while, I know what that desire is like but recognize that there's a balance to be found between "big brother" and "free reign".

  19. Re:Please do by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    we need a -1 *WHOOOSH* mod

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  20. But it's still usually a bad idea by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When it comes to being employed, though, bosses and managers have always watched their employees to some degree -- that is, of course, the purpose of being the boss.

    No, it's not. The purpose of being a boss is to set direction for and co-ordinate those who work under you, so that the individual contributions all advance the overall plans.

    There is a certain type of person who does think that being the boss is primarily a power trip/disciplinary role. Such people usually live in middle management in large companies, because they are basically a waste of space. Small companies can't afford to have the dead weight, and large companies won't promote them to a level where they can do any serious damage but usually have too much bureaucracy to effectively detect and fire them.

    Trust is a prerequisite for any employment relationship. If you don't trust the people working for you to do what they are supposed to without routine monitoring, then you have bigger problems than whether the monitoring itself is justified. Indeed, one could make a reasonable argument that routine monitoring implies a breakdown in the fundamental trust relationship between employer and employee, which would itself be immediate grounds for a constructive dismissal lawsuit in this country.

    I can understand running automated tools to prevent, say, leakage of sensitive data. I can understand running automated tools to scan incoming data for viruses. This sort of thing is, sadly, reasonable for protection and sometimes necessary for legal/regulatory compliance in the modern world. However, it should rarely if ever disrupt an employee going about their business, and no-one else should be directly involved unless a problem is detected.

    I can understand general performance monitoring. Recognising staff who do well is valuable. Helping (not attacking) staff who underperform is valuable. Firing staff who underperform and cannot improve is, unfortunately, sometimes necessary. But none of this stuff requires intrusive, minute-by-minute monitoring and recording of the kind we're discussing here.

    The only time direct, intrusive monitoring is used should be when there is already a credible level of evidence of serious wrong-doing, and confronting the employee about that wrong-doing directly would prevent proper investigation. And in those circumstances, I tend to ask why the company is letting some next-line-up manager or IT/HR goon do the intrusive work. If it's that serious, the higher-ups should be calling the authorities, or at the very least passing a case file to internal security/legal staff who are required to handle the investigation with suitable discretion and a lot of accountability.

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  21. Re:Please do by MatthewCCNA · · Score: 2, Informative

    What the hell are you going to do with gold when the zombie apocalypse comes?

    Bludgeon the zombies with the gold, classy and effective.

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  22. Give the IT Tools to the HR People by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The average, typical IT tech lacks the "touch" when it comes to employee monitoring. Give the monitoring tools, or reports from such, to the HR guys, whose ultimate responsibility this should be.

    Employee monitoring is in the position today where web page creation was 15-20 years ago. It was an "IT Function," because the tools were new and computer-y. Eight million "blink" tags and six hundred thousand animated "under construction" GIFs later, the tools made their way over to the Marketing and Creative Services people, and civilization lurched forward.

    Of course, there were always the techs who fancied themselves designers, from whose fingers the tools had to be pried away. I suspect there is more than that many techs who have gotten more than just a little bit comfortable wearing the Big Brother jackboots as well...

  23. management- be careful what you ask for... by xmundt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Greetings and Salutations....
              A few years ago, one my my clients asked me to generate lists of the websites their employees had been on, and, how long they had spent on the sites. Since I run an in-house DNS server, not that hard to get. Well, I ran the reports for a few months, then, the project was quietly dropped. Why? It turned out that the only folks that spent significant amounts of time on porn sites and other non-business sites were the President of the company (who had ordered the reports) and his wife, the CFO of the company.
    And THEY were burning a LOT of time on non-business related entertainment and shopping!
                What was really amusing to me about this was that these two folks had the attitude that they were the only ones doing anything positive for the company, and, the employees were the enemy - and were spending all their time trying to steal time and resources away from the company, cutting down on profit margin!
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  24. Total BS by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, I'm SO sick of the total bullshit line of reasoning that people like you keep giving for gross violations of our privacy, not to mention keeping people like me from doing my job.

    Okay, so your company has a policy of not allowing me to browse porn on the Internet, woohoo. Why is it that you jump to the conclusion that the only way to make sure this doesn't happen is to monitor every single web site that I browse? Why can't you just have a policy of, hey, if management has some reason to think that KingSkippus might be up to something, then look for something fishy?

    Ponder this. I'm pretty sure that my company also wouldn't like me browsing porn magazines at work. They'd probably get quite irate if, in the middle of the day, I pulled a Hustler out and started flipping through those oh-so-sweet pages. So is the only answer now to have security guards posted at every door to pore through all of my possessions as I come and go, making sure that I have no porn in my physical possessions? I also carry a 4 GB USB drive everywhere I go with some basic troubleshooting tools and electronic copies of documents that I like to have on me at all times. Every time I enter the building, should I be strip searched and, when such a thing is found, every file inspected to make sure that I don't have dirty pictures on it?

    No, the whole "We must monitor EVERYTHING!" is just a BS policy made because people like you get off on your power trip.

    Legally, it's really simple. You create a policy that says that if you're caught browsing porn on the Internet, you get fired. Managers back it up with action by, when people are caught browsing porn, they fire the person who was doing it. There's no need for stupid ass content filters, treating everyone like they're 13 year olds, to ensure this policy, any more than there's a need for strip searches or searches of all physicial possessions. If a company gets sued--and make no mistake, they will get sued no matter what policy they have--they show the judge the policy and their record of upholding it, and that's that.

    I defy you to actually cite these throngs of "all sorts of lawsuits from sexual harrassment to violation of ethics laws," especially the ones where the court found a company liable because they didn't have a content filter in place with people like you watching everything everyone is doing instead of enforcing the policy when violations were reasonably found Big Brother-style. As long as we're talking anecdotally, you know who I've heard does the most browsing of porn on the Internet? High-level management. True story: at the company where I work, most of the executives have been given explicit exemption from our content filters. As for the "ethics laws" joke, discover the wonderful world of "situational ethics" and then explain to how you're protecting a company that deliberately puts a clause that says, "From time to time, the firm may waive certain provisions of this Code" in its Code.

    The truth of the matter is that my company spends WAY more on content filters and salaries for people to set them up and monitor them, not to mention the cost to the business when they break and the Internet becomes completely unavailable, than it would on bogus lawsuits that would have been brought anyway. The whole "you need content filtering to protect you" is a scam perpetrated by content filtering companies and people like you who would probably lose your job if management figured out the truth and actually cared. (And, more importantly, did their job of dealing with these issues instead of foisting them on the IT group.)

    Back in the mid-90s, my boss read an article that explained about how login scripts could be used on Windows 3.11 to do things like delete Solitaire and Minesweeper and replace the desktop background with a forced company standard. The next thing I

    1. Re:Total BS by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You are correct. The one piece you missed is that the monitoring actually INCREASES liability to the company. By putting up filters and monitoring employees, the company is declaring that it is their responsibility to find out and stop employees from browsing porn. They are also claiming that they have the ability to stop employees from browsing porn. This INCREASES their liability.

    2. Re:Total BS by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Another true story. At my company, I sit close to the guys who monitor the content filters. They have connections to their computers outside the proxies, directly on the Internet. I see them all the time accessing their personal Gmail accounts, which is blatantly against the company's security policy. It's a bit like the police officers I see all the time driving 70 MPH on the 55 MPH-speed limit Interstate, or driving through red lights. Who watches the watchers? Oh yeah, that would be nobody. Oh, don't worry though, I'm sure they're browsing "responsibly" and don't need watching.

      This happens daily at our company. In fact, I had a manager approach me and ask if she could have the same tool that I use for remote access to assist users and fix things. I flat out told her "no." She sniffed and walked away. The hubris of corporate America is astounding. Management mentality is still very much caught in "industrial revolution" mode of thinking where employees need constant micromanaging. Has it occured to anyone, that human beings hate micromanagement? Micromanagement is a moral destroyer and encourages rank and file employees to be mindless automatons. I often wonder why someone wants to become a manager. I think it is to gain more freedom to make decisions so they are less of an automaton. Many managers also forget from whence they came.

  25. Get the *real* security to do it. by 6Yankee · · Score: 4, Funny

    At my last place, I'd often work a bit of overtime in the evenings, and I came to know the security guards quite well. I had to walk past the block they were based in, so I'd always pop in and say hello (and usually ended up chatting for an hour or more).

    By contrast, there was some shiny-suit type in that same building who, if he even acknowledged the guard's existence, would give him (and me) a filthy look and keep walking. Naturally, one guard started wondering what use this guy was... and filmed him through the window, from the CCTV camera on the opposite building. For an hour. On overtime. Surfing porn. I didn't see Shiny-Suit Guy after that.

    Moral: if you're going to misbehave at work, keep Security sweet :)

    1. Re:Get the *real* security to do it. by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Informative

      After becoming pals with the security guard at my building, the guard related to me a moment when she was watching the parking garage cam, and noticed that the director of marketing was busy going Lewinsky on a member (pun thoroughly intended) of the board of directors. Certainly it explained how she got the job, since skill in marketing clearly had nothing to do with it.

      If you want to know what is actually going on in a company, the 3 groups of people you need access to are the admins (who can watch people's computer use), the security guards (who can watch people's physical activities), and the bookkeepers (who know where the money and therefor the power is going).

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    2. Re:Get the *real* security to do it. by DaMattster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Always become pals with the security and even the cleaners. Don't treat them as the help, treat them the way you would want to be treated. It is amazing what kind of insight they can provide. A retired federal special agent once told me that you can learn something from anyone and he was so right. A security guard overheard two people plotting a way to get rid of me. He told me the circumstance so I looked through my web logs for the sites that these ass clowns went to, had a neat little report assembled, and dropped it off at HR the next morning. At nine o'clock the next morning, the two stooges were called into the HR office and two hours later the two stooges were sent packing absolutely blind-sided. Moral: be honest, don't be devious, and most of all .... appreciate the jobs that your security and custodial folks do as they are real jobs and necessary.

  26. Well I consider myself lucky and blessed then... by mario_grgic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because my work does not mind if we browse internet, access web mail, download/upload files, install software (we are all administrators on our computers), listen to online radio, watch the word cup etc. and we also all have VPN access to our computers from anywhere to do some work in crazy times of day if we feel so inclined.

    They treat us as well paid professionals and expect results from us. We are supposed to deliver on agreed deadlines and we usually do. So, if I read Slashdot from time to time, check the news or chat to my wife here and there for a few minutes, and it does not affect my productivity (i.e. I'm not doing my job to the standard or above expected of me in this company) then no one sees it as a problem.

    It's only in rare instances when people don't perform satisfactorily that questions arise how are they spending their time and what is wrong in general (but still no one monitors them even then).

    I find this freedom really helps with the moral of the people, the sense of trust in you as individual it provides, and it liberates you to be creative. If you have an issue with this much freedom and could not control yourself and spend ALL your time online playing games and looking at porn, then you probably should be monitored and you most likely would not get though our interview process anyway.

    As a matter of fact I don't think I could work for a company that does not treat me as a responsible adult and a professional. Imagine if hospitals monitored their doctors to make sure they are not checking personal email or make sure they are not telling nebulous lies to their patients? It's kind of the same.

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  27. Security people... by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry for the double post, but I did want to say a few more important things.

    I don't mean to imply that all IT security people are on power trips. I know a lot of them, and my job has me working with them a lot. Most are fine, upstanding, ethical people. A lot don't like doing what they are mandated to do by their corporate overlords. Most only do so as much as they have to.

    But they're a bit like cops, as most cops are fine, upstanding, ethical people. Still, there are a few who really get off on how much access and control they have, and they use it every chance they get. They're the ones who like to brag to me, "Watch how I can access this random Schmo's desktop. See? They don't even know I'm doing it!"

    I'm also not pretending like there should be zero interference with the network. I'm painfully aware of the problems that viruses, trojans, worms, phishing scams, etc. pose. The only reason I would ever advocate having a content filter is for that purpose only, blocking sites that are literally dangerous to be accessing, stuff like malware sites. I'm also for virus scanning, as that's a necessary evil as some people still do stupid things and not 100% of security threats can be caught.

    What I object to, though, is this philosophy that we have to protect companies from people wasting valuable time or productivity. That's not IT's job, that's management's job. If I want to check my e-mail from work, there's no reason why I shouldn't be able to check my damn e-mail. I also carry a smart phone and an iPad, so you really can't keep from from checking my e-mail anyway. (Or for that matter, goofing off with the many, many games that are available to me. Or for that matter, even--gasp!--browsing porn!)

    I'm just sick of companies spending stupid amounts of money to save pennies in productivity and grossly violate people's reasonable expectation of privacy. It's not right, and given the GP's defense of such policies, it sounds like he has already drunk the corporate kool-aid.

  28. Listen to the BOFH by SnugglesTheBear · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the BOFH has taught the IT world anything, it's to always monitor your co-workers. This provides potential means for extortion if there would ever be talk about you being fired or replaced as well as an easy and effective way to climb to the top at startling speeds.

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  29. Dude, get a grip! by danaris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, the whole "We must monitor EVERYTHING!" is just a BS policy made because people like you get off on your power trip.

    For some? Sure. There are always going to be petty bureaucrats who enjoy power-trips.

    But that's hardly the only reason for that type of policy. Here are a few I know of off the top of my head:

    • 1. The company's connection is the company's, not yours. They have a right to prevent its use for non-work purposes if they choose to do so. (Although attempting to do so entirely is absurdly draconian, at least if you're not subject to DoD-type restrictions.)
    • 2. It's very simple to monitor the entirety of your internet traffic, and, depending on how dedicated you want to be to it (and how good your automated systems are) doesn't necessarily take a full-time person just to handle it. It's certainly much easier than monitoring what you bring into the building with you, or what you have on your thumb drive (whether that thumb drive is personal or company property...).
    • 3. It's surprisingly difficult to monitor less than the entirety of your internet traffic, at least without complicated automated systems to simply discard any packets or requests that you're not interested in.
    • 4. Monitoring the entirety of the internet traffic in and out, or even blocking known bad sites, in no way gets in the way of those employees just trying to do their jobs. Yes, there are privacy concerns...but see point 1. And yes, whitelisting only known good sites can certainly get in the way of employees trying to do their jobs, particularly the more technical ones. This is why, except in specific situations where security is a higher priority than productivity, I wouldn't recommend whitelisting.

    As you may be able to tell, I have been responsible for setting up some such monitoring at my company in the past (though it has since fallen into disuse, largely because we laid off 3/4 of the employees...). Though I have no problem with a certain amount of incidental web browsing, there were people who were spending essentially the entire day streaming video (which clobbers our relatively small pipe), browsing MySpace, or playing Flash games. And yes, a couple who would browse porn. (And then there were the one or two who would download games to install onto their computers which turned out to be viruses. So we'd have to clean their computers and explain that that was bad. And then they'd go and install the same bloody virus-ridden game. Again.) It's one thing to poke around a little—or post on Slashdot—but when there's urgent business that needs doing, and it's not happening because you're goofing off...I mean, yeah, that's an issue for HR, eventually, but it seems to me that it is IT's responsibility to at least take basic, reasonable steps to see that those specific temptations are not available.

    Dan Aris

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  30. Re:Please do by maino82 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just finished reading the Zombie Survival Guide and no where in there does he mention the use of gold bricks as a weapon, but I think you're on to something here. Just because the world has turned into a disease ridden hell hole full of the undead corpses of those you once loved doesn't mean you can't protect yourself in style. You, good sir, are a visionary.

  31. Re:Please do by Shikaku · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's called fiat currency. What that basically means is money has value only because people say it does. "That's a good deal" is a daily example of this.