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A Close Look At Apple's A4 Chip

PabloSandoval48 writes "Apple's A4 processor is heavily influenced by Apple's long-established relationship with Samsung and represents an evolution rather than a revolution in circuit design. A team of experts takes a look at the evidence on A4 in an attempt to determine its origins and the influence of recent Apple acquisitions in the area of chip design."

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  1. Not interesting. It's a consumer-grade processor. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't see what's so interesting here. It's a standard, general-purpose, consumer-grade embedded processor. There are billions of these around in all sorts of devices.

    Is this one of those things that people get excited about just because it's from Apple, but is otherwise totally unremarkable?

  2. Re:Not interesting. It's a consumer-grade processo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see what's so interesting here. It's a standard, general-purpose, consumer-grade embedded processor. There are billions of these around in all sorts of devices.

    Is this one of those things that people get excited about just because it's from Apple, but is otherwise totally unremarkable?

    I think it is just because it is Apple. For some reason, the thought of Apple being involved in processor design makes these people jizz in their pants.

  3. Re:Short version for the non-experts among us by marcansoft · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In other words, it's just another Samsung processor like the ones in previous iPhones, which were already Apple-custom anyway. A4 is just marketing. Apple has been using more and more custom application processors for a while now; they've just decided to flip the PR switch and use it as an advertised feature.

  4. Born of desperation by wandazulu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Say what you will about the position Apple is currently in, but they have been screwed over many times by other companies (Microsoft with Office, Adobe with Premiere, IBM with PowerPC @ 3ghz), and they figured that it was critical to their success that they take control of their own destiny.

    What they've done is made a streamlined version of an ARM processor that is useful for their current needs; they do not need to "keep up" with anyone in that they get their processor to do what they want it to do for this particular need. If anything, by not having to cater to anyone but themselves, they have the ability to have custom hardware, but still based on the widely-used ARM architecture, so they don't have to completely re-tool when they come up with an A5 or A6 or whatever. Jobs himself said that they are not in the business of licensing their technology. You won't see an A4 being offered in lots of 100 to anyone for other purposes, it's a chip for Apple and their products only.

    I was wondering too about the wisdom of this move, but it shows that they are not going to hitch their wagon to anyone's horse but their own, and that they have the ability to modify the horse to pull whatever load is necessary at that moment, a new iPad, new iPhone, AppleTV, whatever.

  5. Re:Total Vertical Integration - Scary by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What boggles the mind is why can't they pay a few more bucks to the people working in Foxconn(who are jumping off buildings) who actually make these iDevices?

    Because Apple isn't responsible for the salaries of Foxconn employees? And why do you single out Apple in contrast to the dozens of other huge companies that contract with Foxconn like Microsoft, Logitech, Intel, Cisco, Dell, Nokia, HP, or Sony?

  6. You're spreading something for sure by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Apple is so innocent, why do you even have to mention the names of the other companies???

    If Apple is so guilty, then why NOT mention those other companies?

    You have to answer that first before you are allowed any more paranoid rants. You are trying to defect all ills of the world to fall upon Apple's shoulders. Has any other company but Apple in fact even offered a bonus to workers who work on the products the companies are having produced there?

    Even if all of them are evil, Apple is less so if only because of that one aspect. Yet, you single Apple out - so obviously you have some other motive in mind rather than Foxconn worker well being. It's pretty sick to take advantage of Chinese suicides to further your own holy crusade against Apple (and Apple only).

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  7. Re:Not interesting. It's a consumer-grade processo by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Plenty of companies do this. They do it sometimes without being experts in processor design, by having others help them customize off the shelf processors. They're just taking an ARM core, and then adding stuff on the periphery. They're not changing the core itself; not optimizing the pipelines, not adding instructions, etc. It's not even to the level of re-design.

    Processors chips are basically at the stage now where you can customize them. This is analogous to me going to a store and building my own PC from off-the-shelf boards and parts; or maybe going to a web site and choosing which components I want in my PC.

    This article is of interest in terms of the detective work and reverse engineering though. But it seems uninteresting in terms of it being about Apple.

  8. Re:Total Vertical Integration - Scary by joh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because Apple isn't responsible for the salaries of Foxconn employees?

    Apple IS responsible, because they know the workers' conditions, and still accept to make business with their direct employers. Those workers work FOR Apple, it doesn't matter how long the control chain between Apple and them is.

    Interestingly, among all the companies using that factory (Dell, HP, Nokia, ...) Apple is the only one that has insisted in reviews and reports about the conditions even before this suicide row.

    And please don't stop there. 99% of the other chinese crap (not limited to electronics) you buy has been manufactured under conditions that are probably much, much worse than those at Foxconn.

    Apple has become a scapegoat of certain people and I totally hate that. Not because I love Apple so much, but because it lets others get away who are often much worse.

  9. Re:Total Vertical Integration - Scary by mgblst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope you have never shopped at a BP petrol station, since then YOU are responsible for the oil spill, it doesn't matter how long the control chain between BP and you is.