Bluecherry Releases GPL'd MPEG-4 Driver

azop writes "Today Bluecherry released a GPL'd driver for its multiple-input MPEG-4 hardware compression cards. The driver supports audio and video capture from 4-, 8-, and 16-channel single-card encoders using the Video4Linux and ALSA APIs. More information about the driver and its features can be found on Bluecherry's development blog and on Ben Collins' personal blog. Bluecherry is the first Linux software company to release a complete driver based on Linux kernel APIs (Video4Linux and ALSA) for multiple-input hardware-compressed MPEG-4 capture cards under the GPL. The cards are designed for security applications (digital video recording), but other applications could potentially make use of the compressed streams and Video4Linux API integration. An H.264 version is 'in the works.'"

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Patent pools!

[ronocdh]

Next up, a headline on MPEG-LA decrying this as an ignominious infringement on scads of their intellectual property. Hopefully projects like this stand a reasonable change at exposing the ludicrousness of the software patent system.

Re:Patent pools!

[bieber]

The actual decoding is being done on the card, and the company (at least according to their blog posts) licenses the relevant patents for the card. Since all you're doing in software is sending the card encoded data and getting back processed data, you don't have to worry about patent claims. Not that it isn't BS that the manufacturer has to pay royalties to implement an algorithm on their hardware, but at least it isn't an issue for the users.

Re:Patent pools!

[Animaether]

you don't have to worry about patent claims [...] but at least it isn't an issue for the users.

I thought this Slashdot story...
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/05/02/1114235/The-MPEG-LAs-Lock-On-Culture ...led us to believe otherwise - at least if the stream you encode ends up being used commercially; and some interest groups tend to believe that having an ad on your site where the video is played back = commercial exploitation.

Re:Patent pools!

[canajin56]

Patents forbid the use of any patented device, not just the sale or manufacture. There's fortunately something called the Exhaustion Doctrine, that says as soon as a patent holder has sold a device in an unrestricted manner on the open market, their patent rights have been exhausted. So, if you buy a MPEG-4 encoder card without any restrictions on that purchase, all patent rights to it are supposed to be done. However, you'll have to go to court to prove that.

Additionally, it's not very surefire of a defense at all, due to the fact that the courts are at best a crapshoot, and at worst a popularity contest. LG licensed some patents to Intel, with the condition that Intel inform all buyers of Intel chips that the LG patents are only licensed on the condition that you only use the chip with Intel hardware. In defiance of this notification, a computer reseller violated patent law by selling systems built with Intel chips, but containing non-Intel brand peripherals. Though the computer retailer lost, it eventually reached the Supreme Court, where it was ruled unanimously against LG. This is contrary to all previous lower court rulings, that held that just a note on the box constitutes a "restriction" and so the patents remain in full force. The Supreme Court said that since the reseller didn't need a patent, the note from Intel that they don't get one doesn't really matter, and doesn't constitute an implicit contract.

Re:Patent pools!

[N Monkey]

You are talking about a DEVICE. No one here has a problem with patents for THINGS, but we do have a problem with patents on IDEAS. Software patents are just that, patenting an idea, an algorithm. Math. .

You may not patent math per se, but you can patent a novel and non obvious application of it. RSA is a good example.

Not likely

[iYk6]

To everyone who knows about software patents, they are already exposed as ludicrous. To everybody else, they wouldn't learn anything from a small company being sued. Few people learned anything about patents from Microsoft vs. TomTom, and those are companies that most people have heard of.

First? No.

[Anonymous Coward]

It wasn't a "multiple input" device, but many years ago Plextor released a GPL driver for their go7007 based video capture devices, which captured directly to MPEG-4. Unfortunately few people bought them, so Plextor stopped working on the driver and it has since disappeared from the kernel, even though it was in the staging branch for a while.

Compares with the Hauppage unit?

[bill_mcgonigle]

Anybody know how this differs from the Hauppage USB<->mpeg4 encoder's driver?

This is primarily aimed at the security market

[the_crowbar]

I actually have one of their cards and I must say it works quite well. For full D1(720x480) you only get 7.5 frames/sec from 16 cameras, but for security that is plenty. I think the 4 port cards may be able to do 30 fps per camera. Version 1 of their software is a bit kludgy. It works, but needs help. Version 2, supposed to be a complete rewrite, is due out next month. If you are interested in good quality security hardware take a look at their stuff. bluecherrydvr.com I don't work for them, just am a happy customer.

Cheers,

the_crowbar

Re:First? No.

[jedidiah]

The Hauppauge 1212 is a similar sort of device. It had a community built driver pretty much when the device was released. It was quickly supported by MythTV.

The only thing missing is a firmware update utility. Dealing with this device in Windows (for firmware) gives me a great appreciation for the Linux driver.

The community is quite up to the task if they are given the opportunity.

Good company

[AaronLS]

That's a funny coincidence. Bluecherry is the same people I bought my home surveillance equipment from. They actually have a neat little linux LiveCD that you can get for testing your hardware once you receive it. They also indicate which of their hardware is compatible with ZoneMinder, a open source linux app I use for surveillance. I really was happy with the service. I know this probably sounds like an advert, but if I have good experience I want others to know about it.

Re:First? No.

[the_crowbar]

I don't think the Hauppauge 1212 (the HD-PVR) is a comparable product. The 1212 takes in a single analog video up to component 1080i and produces a x264 stream from it. This card has multiple inputs (4,8, or 16) that are D1 (720x480) max. Utilizing 16 inputs it does not support 30 frames/sec that NTSC video uses (7.5 fps max @ 16 inputs). This is aimed at the digital security market. The 1212 is aimed at the HTPC market.

Cheers,
the_crowbar

Re:Kernel update breaking drivers?

[jedidiah]

>> Bluecherry is the first Linux software company to release a complete driver based on Linux kernel APIs (Video4Linux and ALSA)
>
> Are these some sort of stable APIs, or are they the driver APIs that are randomly changed every few kernel versions to break binary compatibility?

The only people that seem to complain about that are sandbagging companies that need to distract from the fact that the community is doing better.

V4L dates back to the original bt848 carts.

Re:Kernel update breaking drivers?

[droopycom]

The point of the story is that they release their driver source code, under the GPL.

So you dont care about binary compatibility, you just recompile the driver for every version of the kernel you need....

And you can fix the source code incompatibilities yourself if they ever happen and they dont keep up.