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Thailand Shuts Down 43,000 More Websites

An anonymous reader writes "Bangkok Post reports that the Thai government has now shut down over 43,000 websites deemed defamatory to the royal institution. Thai ISPs are warned to cooperate 'voluntarily' or lose their license. This is in addition to 17,000+ that were recently blocked for 'national security,' including both Facebook and Twitter accounts."

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  1. Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? by mykos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We'll freaking do it. Don't think we won't, Thailand!

    1. Re:Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      We'll freaking do it. Don't think we won't, Thailand!

      You mean Bhumibol Adulyadej, the pedophile?

    2. Re:Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We'll freaking do it. Don't think we won't, Thailand!

      Jees, you know almost every business will have a picture of the king up. Why don't you threaten to wear yellow as well.

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      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    3. Re:Do we need a "DRAW Bhumibol Adulyadej" day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS KING Bhumibol Adulyadej, the pedophile terrorist if you don't mind!!

      Show the kiddy diddler some respect please!!

  2. The nuclear resistance myth by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should have designed the internet to be more resistant to oppressive governments.
    Since they are more dangerous than nuclear weapons anyway.

    1. Re:The nuclear resistance myth by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's a rather weird suggestion as the internet was designed by a government agency.

      Well then perhaps a re-design would be in order since role of the internet has changed dramatically since then.

      Of course that would be impossible in practice - but some new protocols should be possible. Personally I'd wish to see something that integrates (anonymous) P2P-style file sharing with www-style browsing, secure connections between peers, strong authentication, and ease of use. Why? Because that would do away with a lot of ad-hoc solutions like BT, Tor, Freenet, anonymizing proxies, etc, etc, that we have today. None of which are 'perfect' or as easy to use as http protocol.

      Imagine having some source named "XYZ" on the internet, nobody knowing where "XYZ" is located or who it is. You start your browser, and go to 'home page' of XYZ. Then that file is fetched, but not from server somewhere, but from nearest peer (=ordinary user) that also has copy of said file(s). There's some big download on that home page, and when you save it, it gets fetched in BT-style swarming download. All the while using strong authentication that assures you the files you're getting are really from "XYZ" (whomever that may be), and not modified in transit somewhere. With secure connections between peers so that 3rd parties can't see who's getting what, from where.

      With http protocol, someone who produces popular contents is 'punished' for that deed when their hosting server gets pounded. Funding popular sites with advertising has kept the internet mostly free (as in beer). Web hosting companies & mirroring services distribute the load across many websites, P2P programs help with distribution of huge files. But each of those is centralised to some degree, vulnerable to attack, and the fundamental issues remain.

      Sure there would be some problems with such a protocol like database-generated pages, how to determine what's latest version, or how to send data back to original source. But it would be nice to have an integrated fix for above problems that's as easy & transparent to users as ordinary web surfing. Sites like WikiLeaks wouldn't have to worry about funding, torrent sites wouldn't have to move countries to avoid legal attacks, and government blocking wouldn't work. Sure it would make some illegal activities easier, but I think it would still be a net (no pun intended) positive, in the greater scheme of things. And ordinary website owners wouldn't have to worry about costs / diskspace / bandwidth requirements anymore (apart from uploading 1st copy of files).

    2. Re:The nuclear resistance myth by the_womble · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The CIA's definition of oppressive is "we do not like them", so Iran is oppressive, but Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia are not.

  3. Re:Bangkok renamed by Morth · · Score: 4, Informative

    Interestingly, Bangkok is only the international name, in Thai it's called Krungthep.

  4. All I can hope by Sparx139 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is that the idiocy of one country will force people to care about what happens to their own - that Thailand will be a warning about where the UK et. al. are headed.

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    Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.
    1. Re:All I can hope by KarlIsNotMyName · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He's probably hinting at the police state that the UK is turning in to, with the tons of surveillance etc.

      Whether it's the royal family that's the excuse for it doesn't really change things.

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      We are all God's parents.
    2. Re:All I can hope by jrumney · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do you really think this is about ridiculing royals? Its about ridiculing the current government, and supporting Thaksin, who, corrupt as he may be, is still Thailand's last democratically elected president by any meaningful interpretation of democratically.

  5. What an opportunity by Zedrick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I really wish this would have happened here, in Sweden. Then there would be a public outrcy, the monarchy would have been abolished in 2 seconds, and we wouldn't have to suffer this stupid coverage of the crown princess and her upcoming boring wedding every XXXXXXX minute on every XXXXXXX channel. Our king might be harmless, but he's hardly more important than uncensored access to the internet.

    1. Re:What an opportunity by mangu · · Score: 3, Funny

      we already have a small amount of censure and some is semi-political

      Yes, I've heard about it. Swedes are not allowed to publish torrent files.

  6. Re:The sad thing is... by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps you have also heard of PR, public relations. Those purveyors of lies and false images in order to create a false impression of some of the biggest arse holes on the planet, of course rich arse holes.

    All people are defined by the actions. Any arse hole that lets tens of thousands of web sites be shut down in their name in order to preserve the bull shit public relations image, well guess what, they are arse holes.

    If the Thai people are having their ability to critique the political leadership than it behoves free thinkers from around the world to make those criticisms seem like nothing compared to the public derision piled upon the decietful and shameful Thai un-noble un-royal house. The sheer arrogance of people who believe they are special because of the particular hole they were squeezed out of, special enough to be honoured and obeyed by every citizen of their country and if that's not enough they also expect that specialness to be acknowledged by the rest of the world, more than 6 billion meant to be less than a bunch stupendously arrogant arse holes, they are special, a special kind of arse hole.

    There is never an excuse for that kind of behaviour, for that arrogance of the minority over the free and democratic will of the majority. Monarchy a lie that has been based on centuries of torturing to death anyone who disagreed, well that time is over and, no way it is ever coming back.

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    Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
  7. Comic reference by chill · · Score: 3, Funny

    The King is a fink!

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    Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
  8. Re:Bangkok renamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually the real full name of bangkok is
    Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Phiman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit
    it means
    The city of angels, the great city, the eternal jewel city, the impregnable city of God Indra, the grand capital of the world endowed with nine precious gems, the happy city, abounding in an enormous Royal Palace that resembles the heavenly abode where reigns the reincarnated god, a city given by Indra and built by Vishnukarma

  9. Re:The sad thing is... by mjwx · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apparently there were a number of PMs in the last few years who have been sacked for one reason or another, and the only one who wasn't tossed out was the one that the King put into power himself

    This is inaccurate. Thailand is a nation that has had as many coups since 1932 as the US has had elections.

    The King has not put a single PM into power in recent years. Most are removed via political jockeying from their opponents. The only Thai PM to complete his term was Thaksin Shintrawa (sp) and he was ousted for corruption in his second term by a military coup (Thailand is a third world nation, did you expect political stability). Most coups/oustings are simply attempts by one political party, not in power to gain power. Thaksin is far from innocent (who is), he is the main driving force as well as the bankroll of the recent political unrest in Bangkok.

    Thailands biggest political forces are the rich families like the Nana family. Mostly ethnic Chinese, which is a major division between the rich and the poor, who are mostly ethnic Thai. Most of the unrest is caused by these power-brokers.

    The King is about the only stable political force in Thailand, this is mainly because the King rarely speaks about politics. I'd hate to think how bad things will get when the King dies (and I doubt this will be too long). The last demonstration saw Silom burn and 50 people killed.

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    Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  10. Re:The sad thing is... by mjwx · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Wow, you must be sanuk at parties.

    If the Thai people are having their ability to critique the political leadership

    This is true, but it has little to do with the King and a lot to do with the wealthy Bangkok families who hold the real political power. The King of Thailand has as much political influence as the Queen of England and deliberately tries to keep the royal family out of politics (much like HRH Elizabeth II).

    The current party in power who ousted the PPP (Peoples Power Party) are funded by the wealthy Thai's and backed by the army (the real political decider in Thailand, if the army supports your party you will get in). Meanwhile the "Red Shirts" are backed and funded by ousted PM Thaksin Shintarwa (who was, until recently one of Thailand's wealthiest).

    Perhaps you should learn about a countries political situation before driveling on about it.

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    Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  11. Thailand isn't not Third World by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 4, Informative

    They make between 900,000 and a million automobiles a year, have a diversified economy and are a net food exporter.

    "Thailand has a GDP worth 8.5 trillion Baht (on a purchasing power parity (PPP) basis), or US$627 billion (PPP). This classifies Thailand as the 2nd largest economy in Southeast Asia after Indonesia. Despite this, Thailand ranks midway in the wealth spread in Southeast Asia as it is the 4th richest nation according to GDP per capita, after Singapore, Brunei and Malaysia."

    They have a million person military with advanced fighters like the F-16 block 50 and Saab/BAE Gripen

    The UN classifies them as Developing, where the classic "third world country" is an under developed country.

    Really the only thing that links all the under developed countries to the classical Cold War "third world country" is that all third world country demand and receive Western aid.

  12. Is slashdot blocked yet? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Funny

    And if slashdot is not blocked, the Thai net censors have been a little negligent.

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    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
  13. Re:Kings and Queens by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    The President of the United States can not declare war.

    The United States Congress declares war.

    So...George Bush didn't declare war on Iraq or Afghanistan, the United States Congress voted for the use of force (the new PC way to declare war here).

    For Iraq the law is...

    The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution (i.e., a law) passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.

    For the Afghan War and the Global War on Terror the law is...

    The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (Pub.L. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224, enacted September 18, 2001

  14. Re:Bangkok renamed by mjwx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Does Krungthep say, in Thai, anything about banging cocks?

    No.

    In Thai the correct connotation for that is "jack wow" or "chuck wow" depending on your accent. It means to "fly (your own) kite".

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    Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  15. It's not so bad... by mathimus1863 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and I should know since I've traveled there many times and I even speak .

    Thailand gets a worse name than it deserves, based on stories like this. It's actually a relatively open society and just about every development index has them at the top of "developing country" (if they could clean up their tap water, they'd probably break the threshold). Speech is only limited when it comes to the King and Buddha, both of which are highly respected, but not really "in power" (influential, but not making and enforcing laws). Of course, that doesn't make their censorship ethical, but it shouldn't be considered to be an oppressive government.

    There's an an ounce of justification to the recent violence, but most of it came from the rural poor with nothing to lose, fighting for the one PM who stood up for them. Unfortunately, that politician that tried to help out the poor (Thaksin Siniwatra), accumulated no less than $2.2 billion while in office, and accused of countless corruption charges (convicted on a couple of them in absentia while he living in exile). Many poor refuse to admit he's corrupt, or say "well sure he is, all the politicians are, but at least he helps out the poor that desperately need it." The situation really is a mess, with no clean way to bridge the gap between the poor and the middle+ class. While they have some political instabilities right now, I would still consider it to be the most awesome place on Earth (where else can you go that has virtually no violent crime, you can get 1 hour Thai massage for $4 and the best Pad Thai ever for $0.50?).

    I think that the monarchy will be phased out soon anyway, as the King's health is waning and the crown prince is not very well liked, despite the lese mejeste laws. But make no mistake, despite such laws, the king was justifiably considered a "benevolent dictator." He is an engineer, and used his skills to plan and update infrastructure in the country to help out both the rich and the poor. There was actually reason to like him.

  16. Re:Bangkok renamed by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually the real full name of bangkok is
    Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Phiman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit

    ...of Ulm