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Stem Cell Tourist Dies From Treatment In Thailand

An anonymous reader writes "Last week, news that Costa Rica was shutting down a large stem cell clinic sparked a debate here on Slashdot about whether patients should be allowed to take the risks that come with untested treatments. Now comes news of what can happen when patients go looking for a shortcut. A patient suffering from an autoimmune disease that was destroying her kidneys went to a Bangkok clinic, where doctors injected her own adult stem cells into her kidneys. Now she's dead, and a postmortem revealed that the sites of injection had weird growths — 'tangled mixtures of blood vessels and bone marrow cells.' Researchers say the treatment almost certainly killed her."

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  1. Re:So what? by DJRumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You assume she knew the risks, when it's very possible the scientists themselves didn't understand all of the risks. They also may not have disclosed the known risks.

  2. Aim for the real problem. by jack2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You see? This is the reality of our time. Ignorance and stupidity prevents science from advancing proper. Instead people have to go to dodgy places to get some form of treatment often provided by complete shams.
    None of this would be happening if working with stem cells and bioengineering proper was legalized at large.

    1. Re:Aim for the real problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No bridge is necessary. The religious freaks are flat out fucking wrong. There is nothing wrong with using someones own stem cells to attempt to cure them, and only outrageous stupidity/subhumanism could make such a claim.

    2. Re:Aim for the real problem. by BigDukeSix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For what it's worth, at least some "religious freaks" are perfectly capable of differentiating between stem cells of embryonic origin versus autologous stem cells. I have a number of colleagues who have (successfully) lobbied for funding from some of these same people to support their own stem cell work (adult autologous only). The message "don't just stand against things, be in favor of a solution" has been very, very powerful for people who do not consider themselves to be either hypocrites or freaks.

    3. Re:Aim for the real problem. by dreampod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you consider it to be 'morally superior' to flush the excess fertilized eggs down the drain, destroying them with absolutely no benefit, than donate them to scientists who will use them in an attempt to develop treatments for you, your children, and the rest of the human race?

      I can't help but see that donating them to scientific and medical research is a fundamentally good act on par with donating your organs when you die. You certainly shouldn't be compelled to do so but everyone ought to be encouraged to think of the good of our entire society.

  3. The risks aren't bad for some of us. by Chuck_McDevitt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For example, I have terminal cancer, although for now I feel fine. The doctors know that none of the FDA approved treatments will stop the cancer, the best they can do is slow it down some. If I saw a treatment that had a high risk of killing me, but a decent chance it would cure me, I'd go for it, even knowing it might kill me.

  4. FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a physician (I know, easy for an AC to say). There is nothing in the linked article to suggest that the treatment was directly linked to her death. It may or may not have contributed to her eventual renal failure but there are an untold number of people out there with nonfunctioning kidneys living for years on dialysis. Unusual tumors localized to the kidneys don't kill people. While I don't encourage patients to pursue treatments lacking in evidence of safety and efficacy, this article is just meant to spread FUD.

    1. Re:FUD by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really? And you know this how?

      I guess you missed the part where the AC said "I'm a physician". Now I don't know if that is true, nor can I verify the remark about kidney tumors not being fatal. But I suspect that you can't either, which is why you did the old FUD trick of questioning the poster in a way to belittle what was said without being able to come up with a counterpoint argument. That way nobody can claim that you were wrong because you never actually said anything.

  5. Re:This will be interesting.... by clang_jangle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You appear to be advocating "protecting terminally ill patients from themselves". Seeing as how they are already terminally ill that seems just a bit silly. Who better to experiment on than a terminally patient with nothing to lose who is willing to give it a shot?

    Our health care choices are already far too restricted -- ever notice how the word "prescription", which actually means "recommendation" is used as if it means "license"? If you need a substance but the witch doctors who represent Big Pharma say you don't you can be imprisoned for posessing it -- now that's real insanity!

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  6. Re:This will be interesting.... by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's interesting is how you extol the virtues of tai chi as a form of detox, and then go on to talk about "crazy biopirates" in the same breath.

    What's interesting is how you are devious enough in trying to find a logical flaw where there is none. Tai chi, Yoga and other form of slow-mo exercises are good for dealing with impaired motor skills. That you assumed he was talking about esoteric hocus pocus says more about yourself than the poster.

  7. Soooo... by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone with an otherwise certainly terminal illness took a chance on experimental treatment, that ended up killing them.

    And WHAT is wrong with this?

    It's bad enough when people want to be my mom when I prefer to volunteer on unnecessary risks, but in cases like this leave them alone. sheesh. Like you'd prefer to force them to sit at home and die. What's it to you, and what gives you the right?

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