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In NJ, Higher Tech Lowers Crime

crimeandpunishment sends along this snip from an AP story carried on Skunkpost.com: "High tech means low crime in a New Jersey city that has used an arsenal of advanced technology to sharply lower one of the highest crime rates in the nation. And now East Orange is poised to become the first city in the country to take high tech crime fighting to a whole new level ... surveillance cameras with sensors that can be programmed to identify crimes as they unfold."

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  1. What We Really Need In NJ Are ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What we really need in NJ are cameras that can be programmed to identify political corruption as it unfolds. Oh wait, we already have them, they're called 'regular cameras pointed at our politicians'.

  2. Wrong reason? by Mathinker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA:

    The results have been startling: Violent crime in East Orange has fallen by more than two-thirds since 2003, according to state police statistics.

    ...

    Jose Cordero was hired as East Orange's police director in 2004 after overseeing the New York Police Department's anti-gang efforts. Crime in East Orange had dropped off after the crack epidemic of the 1980s and 90s but then rose dramatically in the early 2000s as gangs began to put down roots.

    It seems more likely to me that Cordero himself is the reason for falling crime rate rather than any high tech stuff (which just tends to move crime to other locations). I'm suspicious because, for example, in the UK where there is massive investment in surveillance cameras, my understanding is that they have found that they are mainly useful for providing evidence for prosecuting the criminals after the fact, and even that is only in something less than 25% of the cases.

  3. This is dangerous. by Luke+has+no+name · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Besides the oft-quoted Ben Franklin line, I do believe giving a government too much power in watching the populace is dangerous for liberty. Should the legitimate need arise to break a law or subvert the government, corrupt individuals will have power to stop people even more easily.

    On the fliip side, the ubiquity of increased surveillance available to the PUBLIC as well as to the government (they are two different things) might prevent the government from getting away with the shit it does now.

    I have to throw in a quote: "With great power comes great responsibillity." I don't think the government has enough of the latter to justify the amount of the former it possesses.

  4. Re:Crime rate is lower in facilities... by Tamran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    detection != prevention

  5. Whats the incarceration rate? by elucido · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The incarceration rate is more important to me than the "crime rate." Are there more people in prison as a result of the high technology, or are less people in prison? Just because we become more efficient at catching criminals it doesn't mean society is safer, it all depends on what we consider to be a crime at the time and how we sentence it. The technology doesn't really help one way or the other unless we have sane laws.

  6. Lowering the "crime rate" does not make us safer. by elucido · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lowering the violence rate, lowering specific types of crime which have victims may make us safer. Lowering the "crime rate." usually raises the incarceration rate which often lowers the income of families making them even more desperate and likely to commit crimes in the future.

    Lowering the crime rate is a way to increase the incarceration rate and win political points. It's not going to make anyone safer to for example make massive arrests of drug possession, or to arrest thousands of prostitutes, but thats usually the kind of crime they go after because it's easier. They'll probably go arrest a bunch of small time pot dealers, and crackheads, maybe some prostitutes, and say they lowered the crime rate in the city.

  7. Re:CCTV cameras fail to prevent crime in the UK by nbauman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, I read about the UK failure in the New Scientist and elsewhere.

    One thing missing in TFA: Data.

    How many people were actually arrested in East Orange, NJ as a result of those cameras? If the cops had a good example, they would give it to the writer.

    Another thing missing: Any meaningful scientific evaluation.

    After $1.4 million, they should have some kind of evaluation to see whether they're improving the crime rate or wasting the money.