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Carbon Nanotube Batteries Pack More Punch

cremeglace writes "Researchers at MIT have come up with a new way of making batteries from carbon nanotubes. Carbon nanotubes are attractive materials for battery-making because of their high surface area, which can accept more positive ions and potentially last longer than conventional batteries. Instead of this design, the MIT researchers introduced something new — using chemically modified carbon nanotubes as the positive ion source themselves. For now, the new batteries can power only small devices, but if the method can be scaled up, the batteries may provide the power needed for applications like electric cars."

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  1. Battery research by Walterk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the last year or so there's been a new battery research story every month promising longer lasting batteries that are smaller and usually cheaper. Yet the most advanced you can buy are still just play Lithium Polymer batteries which seem to power my Android phone for about 15 minutes.

    Call me when this research turns into a produced battery.

  2. Have they figured out the safety aspect? by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will they be able to prevent thermal runaway in these better than in, say Lithium based batteries? As density goes up this needs to be more of a concern. Laptops melting down are one thing, but imagine the havoc of a car exploding due to battery failure. That's the last thing the electric car movement needs to have happen.

    1. Re:Have they figured out the safety aspect? by IflyRC · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I fly a lot of R/C models ranging from turbines to electric powered helicopters. The chemistry in the batteries has changed over the years but the highest output batteries right now are lithium polymer. Now, there are some A123 type batteries that are better and getting better but most of the extremely high powered aircraft right now use Li-Po. Battery failures can be caused by several things but what alarms me about putting something like this in a vehicle is the hazard of fire in the even of an automobile accident. When you have a high impact with some of these batteries and a cell is ruptured - the packs begin to puff - then vent. When they vent, the heat is thousands of degrees which will set off other cells in the pack. Think of the old stories about exploding gas tanks in the event of a car crash. Now think of all of these batteries packed into tight places under trunks and back seats and getting rear-ended or even just a cell going bad...or the balancer in the charger going out and overcharging a cell causing failure in that cell. A failed charger can cost you your entire car...or better yet, your house. Think of this thing going up in the garage...and you having a gas water heater installed out there. This stuff is dangerous enough as it is right now.

    2. Re:Have they figured out the safety aspect? by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But, "uh oh", these batteries still use Lithium! They simply have a new way of producing the electrode: "The result was a highly porous carbon nanotube electrode with lots of oxygens exposed on the surface, ready to bind with lithium."

      Also, there is nothing inherently tragic about Lithium; any technology that stores and releases energy can fall prey to thermal runaway. In the highly-available-power world in which I work, we have seen lead acid batteries go into thermal runaway after particular amounts of abuse (or defective manufacturing/installation).

      As someone who has used/abused lithium polymer batteries in the RC world (similar to the other respondent) I have seen what can easily happen to high-energy batteries when they are improperly maintained. The question is, what happens when there are hundreds of millions of these packs in cars all across the US, being put through various amounts of abuse? They will fail, and we need a safety mechanism that is highly reliable (like a re-enforced steel shell that can vent hot gases away).

      The comparison to a gas tank is somewhat inadequate as these batteries are far heavier than gasoline; if you have a serious accident that compromises the frame of the car you really can't guarantee that the battery container is going to be unperturbed. There needs to be two or more dedicated safety measures to contain or divert the energy from the batteries away from the occupants in the event of damage.

    3. Re:Have they figured out the safety aspect? by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When it comes down to it, it's simply energy density... The more you have stored in a finite space, the more potential for release there is and the greater that release could be...

      I'm not saying its impossible to create something stable, all im saying is that certain conditions can have dramatic effects...

      The amount of energy easily released by a tank of petrol (gas, whatever) is massive, but safety precautions that are taken now are fantastic compared to earlier days...

      I'm sure there's a way to keep that energy trapped in a fairly safe way, but what I'm saying is there will be things going wrong once in a while and when they do, the greater the energy density, the greater the damage...

  3. Re:YEAH! by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about potatoes?

  4. Re:Sometimes it's more mundane by Avtuunaaja · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everybody knows that if you can design an economically viable improvement on present-day batteries, you are going to be wildly, obscenely rich. There are plenty of applications where people would be perfectly willing to pay several times more for a battery than what they are paying now if there was a significant improvement in capacity/mass. This leads to a lot of research being concentrated even on very wild potential ideas. Many are viable in the lab, but are too expensive to produce (by a margin of several orders of magnitude), too dangerous, too short-lived, or any combination thereof.

    No matter how many misses there will be, this situation is more or less the ideal case for a free market to optimize for -- if it is possible to safely store more electrical energy in a smaller mass, it will be found eventually.

  5. At least they don't promise "12 month" deployement by sirwired · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unlike the fuel cell guys, which are constantly promising consumer products shipping in "just a few months", I'm glad these folks realize their work is still well away from widespread application where it's really needed.

  6. Re:Some Day, Right by cacba · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You may try to apply moore's law to things other than cpus, but that doesnt make it happen. The frequency of the news articles shows only a huge demand by consumers and researches need for funding.

  7. Re:Epic article fail by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In most designs regenerative braking has to throw away power because you can't charge the packs fast enough. A battery that CHARGES faster would be useful not only for quick-charging but also for regenerative braking. I didn't RTFA though so I have no idea if it carries more current in both directions.

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  8. Re:I'll believe it when I see it by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    iPod? Sorry, we only work on curing baldness, and making erections work longer.

    (As there is no way to link to it, I’m including the quote here. Just imagine I would have linked to it ;)
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  9. Re:The issue is price anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem is getting 100kW to your house, about 417 amps at 240V. The NEC standard for a single-family home is 100 amps, but most are only rated for about 60. The power pole transformers are usually well provisioned, which means that entire neighborhoods would need to be upgraded to increase everyone's capacity. It is a bigger problem than upgrading phone lines from copper to fiber.

  10. Re:The issue is price anyway by BlueParrot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    American power grid supporting oodles of people charging up their cars at 100kw a pop? That would be a hell of a series of spikes, probably bring the dilapidated grid down.

    Even if it was a problem in reality all that would be needed to mitigate it would be to mandate that chargers spend 1 minute at the start and end of a charging session to slowly ramp the power up/down. That would only add 1 minute to the total charge time, and since modern turbines in load leveling power plants can spin up and down on those timescales it solves the issue.

  11. Re:I'll believe it when I see it by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What articles were you reading that said a battery tech would go from "in the lab" to "on the market" in 18 months? 5 years or so is more typical. And 500% battery improvement tech announcements are rare. There are a couple out there, like li-air, but not many. And many people confuse significant improvements on one part of a battery (say, the anode or cathode) with improvements on the cell as a whole.

    Li-ion batteries have advanced about 40% since 2005.

    There's a serious problem with the announcements making the news but the commercialization coming in under the radar. Remember back in 2007 when Slashdot covered that silicon nanowires had been determined to be an excellent anode for li-ion batteries? The reporting was crap, mind you -- they confused an anode density improvement "up to 10x" with being a whole battery improvement (even a 10x anode improvement would be an under 2x battery improvement if not paired with an equivalent cathode improvement, mind you). The researcher was looking to be "forming a company", but first they would have to deal with "cycle life" problems. The first batteries of this type were to hit the market as early as 5 years.

    It's only 3 years later and it's already started. Mind you, these first versions are much more limited -- they start out. But as the tech is refined, they will continue to advance, just like the old graphite anodes did. Early li-ion cells really sucked compared to what we have today. Silicon will go through the same process.

    You see the same thing with cathodes. And other anode materials. And separators, and electrolytes, and casings. And all in all, the tech marches on. But consumers don't even notice it because their devices just keep shrinking the batteries and consuming more power. The battery improvement isn't Moore's impressive doubling-every-1.5-years. But it's just as relentless.

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  12. Faster than gasoline, too. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The comparison to a gas tank is somewhat inadequate as these batteries are far heavier than gasoline; if you have a serious accident that compromises the frame of the car you really can't guarantee that the battery container is going to be unperturbed. There needs to be two or more dedicated safety measures to contain or divert the energy from the batteries away from the occupants in the event of damage.

    Also: They can release their energy much more quickly (and thus more hotly) than gasoline. Gasoline requires oxygen from the air (or wherever) to burn and this limits its thermal power. Lithium cells are self-contained and have all the pieces of the reaction ready to go. (That's why they're heavier than an equivalent amount of gas.) They're only limited by the physics of the propagation of the catastrophic energy release mechanism.

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