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Why Engineers Don't Like Twitter

PabloSandoval48 writes, "A recent EE Times survey of 285 engineers found that 85% don't use Twitter. More than half indicated that the statement 'I don't really care what you had for breakfast' best sums up their feelings about it." Reader mattnyc99 notes a related article in which the authors analyzed the content of tweets during a recent World Cup game, finding 76% of them to be useless. "Out of 1,000 tweets with the #worldcup hashtag during the game, only 16 percent were legitimate news and 7.6 percent were deemed 'legitimate conversation' — which leaves 6 percent spam, 24 percent self-promotion, about 17 percent re-tweets, and a whopping 29 percent of useless observation (like this). Is the mainstream media making too big a deal out of the avalanche of World Cup tweets, or is the world literally flooding the zone?"

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  1. Breakfast? by Kelson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If your reason for not liking Twitter is "I don't really care what you had for breakfast," the problem isn't Twitter - it's that you need to find some more interesting friends.

    Just like a telephone, its usefulness depends on who you have on the other end of the line.

    1. Re:Breakfast? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you need to find some more interesting friends

      These are engineers we're talking about. They're lucky they have friends at all.

      On a more serious note, what percentage of people are "interesting" enough to have worthwhile tweets?

    2. Re:Breakfast? by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, I think the problem is that people on both sides, whether they love Twitter or hate it, are thinking that it's something more than it is. Its like a blog, but short. It's like an SMS message, but not necessarily directed at a particular person. It's like an IM status, but not tied to IM. It was a slightly interesting approach to dealing with Internet communication, but it's really not that unique or interesting. Some people use Twitter for inane information. Some people do the same thing with email. Some people post really inane blog entries. No big deal.

      But somehow the media has bought into Twitter as some kind of technological marvel. "ZOMG! People are tweeting about the World Cup! Let's put those tweets on our show, so we can pretend to be technologically savvy and relevant!"'

    3. Re:Breakfast? by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Funny

      33% is less than one third.

    4. Re:Breakfast? by IANAAC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I get immediate and brief headlines that can be easily followed up from various sources, including Science, Nature, NASA, the Economist, the BBC, and various other sources that are not otherwise succinctly aggregated in one place.

      You mean like any bog-standard RSS reader?

    5. Re:Breakfast? by bobcat7677 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OK, lets get right down to the meat of the matter. What I'm not seeing so far in this thread is the root of the problem: the format of Twitter is such that not much of any real value can be published through it. The limit on how much a "tweet" can contain is simply too small. If the same limit was imposed on Slashdot stories nobody would be on here because none of us are stupid enough to click blind links and there wouldn't be enough space to put a decent description. This really sums up my first thought when I tried Twitter for 15 minutes "back in the day": "140 characters should be enough for everyone? What the *ell are we supposed to do with that?".

    6. Re:Breakfast? by Shark · · Score: 5, Funny

      On a more serious note, what percentage of people are "interesting" enough to have worthwhile tweets?

      They don't always drink beer, but when they do, they prefer Dos Equis.

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    7. Re:Breakfast? by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

      You can find his newsletter at the following link:
      http://www.penthouse.com/

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    8. Re:Breakfast? by war4peace · · Score: 4, Funny

      You take one sparrow. It tweets and at times it might sound soothing, even if you don't understand what's it saying.
      Take two sparrows. They might sound even nicer if their tweets match to form music.
      Take a thousand sparrows. They make such a horrible sound, you'd wish not being there at all.
      Take a hundred thousand sparrows. You'll start to prefer vuvuzelas!
      ...And there are a few more iterations until you reach Twitter's real flock size.

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  2. So? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The same thing can pretty much be said about the whole internet to be fair.

    1. Re:So? by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except I can find redeeming content on various parts of other websites that provide actual information. I don't with twitter, or facebook. Both can die in a blaze of their own fiery doom for all I care.

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    2. Re:So? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except I can find redeeming content on various parts of other websites that provide actual information. I don't with twitter, or facebook.

      Then your friends are boring. I guess I just hang out with more interesting people.

      I'm serious. I see something interesting or funny on Facebook or Twitter at least a few times a day. If you don't, then that's because of the people generating the content you're reading.

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    3. Re:So? by InlawBiker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's the Internet in microcosm. Engineers first used the Internet to pass technical information. Noise was kept to a minimum so work could get done. Then the engineers were surprised to find that the general public had an intense interest in fluff and chatter.

      So it's the same thing with Twitter. We mostly ignore it, unless we're using it for geek thing we find important.

  3. Twitter is useful? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Out of 1,000 tweets with the #worldcup hashtag during the game, only 16 percent were legitimate news and 7.6 percent were deemed 'legitimate conversation' -- which leaves 6 percent spam, 24 percent self-promotion, about 17 percent re-tweets, and a whopping 29 percent of useless observation

    I suspect very strongly that if you were to ask 1000 random people, you'd get a very similar opinion of the content of /.

    In other words, "Surprise! People are different, and some aren't interested in the things you happen to be interested in. And that doesn't make them (or you) defective."

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    1. Re:Twitter is useful? by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Informative

      Luckily, most of the useless posts on /. are quickly moderated into oblivion. On Twatter, there is nothing to protect the reader.

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  4. The execution tweet was a good one by pgmrdlm · · Score: 4, Interesting
    http://www.techiezine.com/execution-anounced-on-twitter/

    But thats what I use twitter for, to follow the release of news stories.

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  5. Not the method, but the users by LoudMusic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of our modern information delivery and socializing methods are actually pretty inventive and useful, until they are populated with the masses of morons that inhabit our Earth. And the one tweet the submitter linked to is a good example. It did actually have good information in it - Portugal scored a goal. But it was also filled with a bunch of personalized exclamation, which most people don't want to see.

    The great thing is, you're not forced to view that person's Twitter feed. The hard part is finding one you ARE interested in.

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  6. Only 76% Useless by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's actually a better signal to noise ratio than most forms of communication. Given that 90% of anything is crud, is is really surprising that Twitter isn't any different?

  7. Perhaps... by tool462 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps MSM likes Twitter because it's the equivalent of 1,000 monkeys with 1,000 typewriters. There are so many people saying so many things, that they can likely find a quote that states whatever they want to state, but they then get to claim somebody else said it. Deniability is probably easier than fact checking.

  8. It's simple jealousy in my case by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 4, Funny

    Twitter is one those ideas that anyone could have thought up over a beer and implemented in a long weekend of hacking, and it could also have been done in 1995. Why didn't I get rich by doing just that? Because I'm apparently a fucking moron, who was too dumb to realize that apparently everybody else on the planet was dying for a one-to-many version of SMS with an artificial 140-character limitation.

    I suspect that's why many developers dislike Twitter. It makes everyone who hears about it feel stupid and out of touch.

    1. Re:It's simple jealousy in my case by AthleteMusicianNerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But the value in the product is not in the tech, it's in the marketing. The fact is, without major support from other major media outlets, twitter never would have survived.

  9. Engineers make the world go around . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They don't give a shit about Lindsay Lohan SCRAM (although the technology is interesting). They don't really care who killed Michael Jackson. And they probably think that Jesse James was an outlaw from the 1800's.

    But they do seem to keep everything that civilization needs running . . .

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  10. Re:More noise by Facegarden · · Score: 4, Funny

    The last thing I need is more noise. That's why I don't use twitter. Besides, 160 characters doesn't exactly lend itself to worthwhile discourse.

    Haha, yet your comment is only 145 characters! Noise you say? Yeah, you have no need for that...
    -Taylor

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  11. it's like micro-blogs by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By now, we should be familiar with the issue at hand.

    It happened when people started making "personal webpages". Then came blogs. Then Facebook et al. Now Twitter.

    Basically, most of the world lives in the misguided assumption that at least a tiny fraction of the rest of the world is interested in them. Statistically speaking, that's not true. But we have this old tribal desire to "express ourselves", to communicate with the rest of the tribe.

    There's a few billion people on the Internet today. How many of them may even theoretically care about your dog, your house, your opinion of last nights local television program, or, in fact, you? A high mark of a thousand, for most of us. 10,000 at most for everyone who's not at least a minor celebrity. Even those 10k are less than 0.0005% of the Internet population. ppm is a better measure than percent here. It's a single-digit ppm. For the majority of us, not even 1 ppm.

    Or, in short, nobody(*) fucking cares. Not what the name of your dog is and not what you think about soccer.

    Twitter is Geocities, only shorter, and with even less content.

    (*) where "nobody" is equal, but not identical, to zero, for all practical purposes.

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  12. Self Limiting by decipher_saint · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like Twitter because it's an easy way for me and my developer friends to share transient tidbits like new tools, quick questions and interesting links.

    I don't follow people who use it as a journal and I don't really concern myself with those who follow me.

    I don't see why more IT people use it this way. It beats sending e-mail or trying to maintain contacts via multiple IM networks (some of which are blocked by various employers).

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  13. Quick way of saying I don't want to be ... by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "I don't really care what you had for breakfast,.."

    Is really a quick way of saying that you don't want to bombarded by trivial details, irrelevant information or even relevant information. Just give me everything all at once and edit out the crap.

    I don't care how interesting someone may be, getting updates about every little thing would be annoying; regardless of how relevant it may be.

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    July 4, 1776 - September 11, 2001

    1. Re:Quick way of saying I don't want to be ... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would put it this way, twits generally don't become engineers.

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
  14. Easy to Search, Summarize, & Aggregate... by weston · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But somehow the media has bought into Twitter as some kind of technological marvel. "ZOMG! People are tweeting about the World Cup! Let's put those tweets on our show, so we can pretend to be technologically savvy and relevant!"'

    I think there's more too it than a desperate attempt to appear relevant -- the features of Twitter tend to fall in a certain sweet spot of interest for traditional broadcasters. For one thing, tweets are just about the right length for soundbite-driven short-cycle media. For another, it's really easy to search and in theory at least get a feel for zeitgeist by looking at trending topics in aggregate -- and profit-driven broadcast media is all about "eyeballs," so they're naturally interested in what people are (in theory) interested in.

  15. I used to think Twitter was worthless by macemoneta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But after observing it for a while, I've come to some conclusions as well.

    Watching an individual tweeting is like watching a neuron firing; it doesn't appear to be doing anything useful. Stand back a little, and you can see that neurons (or those that tweet) are parts of functional groups. Step back further and you have a conscious brain.

    This is the way I started to look at Twitter, and the analogy seems to work. The first place you find out about major events now? Twitter. First some tweets ("Hey, did anyone near xxx feel something?"). Then comes the higher level analysis ("Did the paint factory explode? No, it was an earthquake!"). Then comes the sensory input (twipics, twitvids). Then the emotional response ("OMG, so many people injured!").

    If you look at Twitter this way, it's almost like looking into the hive-mind. It's very interesting to observe, whether you participate or not. There are multiple search and aggregation engines, though they can lag realtime significantly during major events. It's better to have 'probes' (follows) into various areas of interest.

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  16. Inanities Inc. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "'I don't really care what you had for breakfast' "

    Let me go on.

    I don't give a rip what color shoes you're wearing - or even if you're wearing shoes today.

    I don't give a rat's ass that your dog escaped, and that you tore your panty hose while chasing him down.

    I never care whether you put make up on, let alone whether it matches your clothes.

    NO ONE cares how much you like your inlaws - not even your inlaws.

    Only six or eight people in the whole wide world cares that your special other made you feel good last night, and if you're not married, five of those six or eight wants to punch you in the face.

    I give less than a rat's ass which team is your favorite.

    I think your choice of automobile is a sign of latent homosexuality.

    I think your girlfreind/boyfreind is a dyke/flaming queer.

    Your BOSS uses your tweets as jokes to prove how stupid you are.

    Yo MAMA uses your tweets as jokes to prove how stupid you are!

    Why in hell do you think your dog was trying to escape, anyway? He's sick of your inane tweets!

    I'm sure that others can add to this list. And, no, I'm not looking for freinds, so don't add me to your twitter/facebook/myspace/MSN/etc/etc/etc account.

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  17. Re:Dot-plan? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Funny

    That would be this instead...

    http://hueniverse.com/webfinger/

    I swear, I read that and the brass section in the back of my head immediately started up:

    WebFINGER!! (Dah DAAAH daah!)
    He's the man, the man with the browser touch...