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David X. Cohen Talks About Futurama's New Season

joelkeller writes "I spoke to David X. Cohen, executive producer of Futurama, about the upcoming season, which premieres on June 24 on Comedy Central. He talks about the season finale (!) and how the show is always on the precipice of cancellation."

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  1. Good News Everyone! by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't forget to set your DVR's for the new episodes starting tomorrow...

    1. Re:Good News Everyone! by danomac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dammit, anyone know if it's airing in Canada? It doesn't look like it (at least on the Comedy Network or on the Global TV here.) :(

    2. Re:Good News Everyone! by Jenming · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The only way they can tell if you watch it is if you are selected for a Nelson survey. If you are part of one be sure to put down you watched Futurama in every time slot available.

      I guess there is some damage you do to overall commercial value by pirating, but you would do the same damage by watching TV and not changing your purchasing habits.

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    3. Re:Good News Everyone! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tomorrow? The second episode is already out. Watched it yesterday.

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    4. Re:Good News Everyone! by Nugoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Last I checked, Canada has Internet connections, so, yes, it is.

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    5. Re:Good News Everyone! by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Funny

      A Nelson survey?

      HA-HA!

  2. Penalty: Intentional Grounding. by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

    The reason why Fox ruined the original airings of Futurama was because they slotted it at 7:30pm on Sundays... a time slot that got murdered by NFL runovers in the Eastern and Central time zones. Fans couldn't reliably tune in because they didn't know if the episode would air, if the episode would be joined in progress, or if the entire airing would be deleted by an overtime NFL game. Fox's policy of running Sunday primetime as soon as possible... either at 7pm sharp if there was no NFL game, or as soon as it concluded if there was one, made whether Futurama's slot would air and when dependent on which NFL game your city saw that afternoon.

    What a mess... since getting the NFL, Fox never had a successful Sunday 7pm hour. A few years after repeated throwing good shows into a bad time slot, they finally got the clue. Fox Sports now produces a postgame show called The OT (a play-on-words based on The OC, which this show has outlasted) that is joined like the halftime show as each game concludes, and can show bonus coverage of games still going to stations that get stuck with an early finish, and always ends at 8pm ET sharp. Thanks for watching Fox NFL Sunday, The Simpsons is next.

    1. Re:Penalty: Intentional Grounding. by forkazoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Has there ever been a show getting canceled that slashdot doesn't blame on the time slots and/or episode ordering? Seriously people, if the audience had been big enough and the ratings high enough, they would have moved them to prime time slots. The last pick of the shows also get last pick of the time slots, either deal with it or stay off the air then.

      Sure, there are plenty of shows that deserved to die. You don't generally hear much about them because they deserved to die. Nobody invests time and effort begging to have them back, and for the most part they are so forgettable that you never hear about them again.

      The reason that most canceled shows that you do hear about are spoken of as being canceled unfairly is simply a selection bias. To throw out one that I do remember - SeaQuest. I think it was a good premise, but by the third season it had gone so far from what they had originally intended that they lost off of their fans, but never managed to attract their new target audience. No amount of scheduling games would have made up for the sheer badness of some of the episodes. Scheduling games didn't help the continuity when a character was mourned, got killed off and then was alive and well, never to be seen again. Still, the show wasn't all that dependent on the continuity, so the executives who rearranged the episodes didn't have a huge negative effect.

      OTOH, for Firefly they refused to show the damned pilot at any point in the original broadcast run. If "Lost" had been treated as badly as Firefly, it never would have made any money either.

    2. Re:Penalty: Intentional Grounding. by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Has there ever been a show getting canceled that slashdot doesn't blame on the time slots and/or episode ordering?

      Yes. First, "Slashdot" isn't an entity which expresses opinions of the type you describe, different groups of individual slashdot posters express such opinions, and the opinions you describe have been expressed on slashdot regarding a handful of programs that have been cancelled over a period of very many years, out of the dozens of series that are cancelled each year.

      Seriously people, if the audience had been big enough and the ratings high enough, they would have moved them to prime time slots.

      Showing episodes out-of-order, when they are written with a broad story arc, clearly interferes with developing an audience(the Firefly issue), as does not showing a show consistently at all (the Futurama issue, which wasn't about timeslot so much as about following NFL football and thus frequently being either cancelled entirely or joined "in progress".)

      The Futurama scheduling decision is clearly the kind of thing a network does because it doesn't think a show has that much value to start with -- it is treating the show as disposable filler and isn't even pretending to try to market it effectively. It's perfectly reasonable to believe that that kind of behavior interfered with the show reaching an audience that it otherwise would have. In fact, the DVD sales which evidenced that there was such an audience that the original broadcast schedule had failed to reach is the reason the show was renewed after the first time it was cancelled, and the fact that it has remained on the air since (whether in danger of being cancelled each season or not) pretty clearly indicates that even Fox thinks that the show is viable, despite it not having appeared to be under the initial treatment Fox gave it.

    3. Re:Penalty: Intentional Grounding. by Vrallis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Have there ever been any shows other than Futurama, Firefly and maybe Family Guy that Slashdot has ever given a rat's ass about getting canceled? I don't remember timeslot arguments coming up in Firefly or Family Guy.

      And don't waste breath promoting Legend of the Seeker around a lot of us here, we're still pissed at how badly they destroyed the Sword of Truth books in this show. They turned an epic story into a Hercules/Xena style corny weekly show. Hell, every plot point that gave the first book such a good ending was completely destroyed in the first episode.

    4. Re:Penalty: Intentional Grounding. by Surt · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm pretty sure that arrested development was killed by a yacht explosion.

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    5. Re:Penalty: Intentional Grounding. by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Arrested Development had too many big-name stars, and therefore a bloated budget. It was popular, but not popular enough to justify its production costs. Remember, the object of the TV game is to make money, not keep fans happy.

      Family Guy was also on the Sunday post-NFL schedule and not given right-of-way over The Simpsons, and therefore also killed by the same factors that did in Futurama.
       

    6. Re:Penalty: Intentional Grounding. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Funny

      >You don't generally hear much about them because they deserved to die.

      How often do you hear, "Would you like to sign my petition to bring back Tru Calling and Fish Police?"

    7. Re:Penalty: Intentional Grounding. by hedwards · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Probably the fact that it was on Fox. Fox has a pretty well established reputation for dooming shows via incompetent scheduling and unrealistic expectations. I can pretty much guarantee that had Seinfeld been on Fox it would've been canceled before the second season. I'm not personally a fan of that show, but most of the fans seem to agree that it got funnier the more episodes you saw. Had Fox bought it they would never have allowed it to get big before canceling it.

      Fortunately now that shows are available on DVD shortly after or even while still being produced, people do have some ability to say that they want that show back. Which is sort of what has given Family Guy the ability to come back from the dead twice.

    8. Re:Penalty: Intentional Grounding. by qazxsw · · Score: 3, Informative

      You forgot Farscape!

    9. Re:Penalty: Intentional Grounding. by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seinfeld was given an starting order of only four episodes in order to hold Jerry under contract so he couldn't start a competitor to The Tonight Show and still be in the running for the job that eventually went to Jay Leno. NBC was going to burn them off... then they hit it big and the rest is history.

    10. Re:Penalty: Intentional Grounding. by mikael_j · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But most of the big-name "Sci-fi" these days is just "blockbuster action movie, IN SPACE! (Also, we threw in some comic relief for the kids and some romance for the ladies, enjoy!)", there is little sci-fi to sci-fi in hollywood these days.

      Or how about "Knowing", a friend of mine called it the best new sci-fi movie in ages, I watched it and concluded they went with the much-overused "Alien horror" genre which then turned into some sort of "Jesus as an alien (who just seemed bad because we're idiots who wanted to make a cool trailer) saves the innocent and righteous and brings them all to a new garden of eden while everyone else dies horribly".

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  3. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The last time the Simpsons was funny was in.. oh 1999?

  4. Since the opener "Good news everyone!!" was taken by Tanks*Guns · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fry, it's been years since medical school, so remind me. Disemboweling in your species, fatal or non-fatal?

  5. Re:So what? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Simpsons has a broad appeal to the typical soccer mom family. Futurama is a nerdy show which was a Leela/Fry romance about as awkward as The Big Bang Theory with a lobster from outer space. Futurama has to hit home runs with their target demographic because it's small, the Simpsons haven't done that in years. They keep being sufficiently successful because they don't age, every year there's a new year's worth of children identifying themselves with Bart and Lisa. Live actors won't be the same, for example right now we have the Harry Potter generation, people that grew up alongside the actors but the next generation will find someting else. They might still watch the Simpsons though.

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  7. Re:So what? by cthubik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I completely agree, the Simpsons hasn't been funny or clever for many years and should have been canceled many, many seasons ago. The writing was once above average, now it is just pathetic to watch to anyone who isn't a simpleton (average sitcom writing). Futurama, however, is actually really funny.

  8. Re:So what? by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a Leela/Fry romance about as awkward as The Big Bang Theory

    I'd say the exact opposite there. The big bang theory has romances that are awkward because they don't fit. There's no reason for the people dating in that show to be dating. There's no chemistry, and the writers just never seem to know what to do with them together. Fry/Leela are great because the characters are well written. Each has issues of abandonment and isolation within the greater society at large which act as a common bond.

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  9. Everyone now senteced to... by rshol · · Score: 5, Funny

    Death,

    By snu snu!!

    Carry on.

    1. Re:Everyone now senteced to... by tenton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.

  10. Re:So what? by Jenming · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was going to mod you down, but instead I wasted your time by making you read this and the original poor post.

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  11. Re:first two episodes... by Vrallis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree the second was better than the first, though I also thought the double take by the guys *after* Amy's reaction was even better ("Oh wait, will you guys be there too? Ummm maybe not!").

    I love Futurama, but not just for the intellectual side. How many comedy cartoons have had really good tear-jerker moments? Fry's dog, the story of his five-leaf clover, Leela's parents, etc. That's a damned rare thing for me, and like most guys pretty hard to admit, but Futurama's been able to pull it off more than a couple times.

  12. Re:So what? by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So the problem remains that the general public doesn't get it. The general public won't get anything with more depth than the Simpsons, unfortunately.

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  13. Re:precipice? by skine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You, and whoever modded me troll, seem to misunderstand me. I'm in no way saying that Futurama will never be good again.

    What I'm saying is that it died a good death. Perhaps it died far too early, but it had the best death imaginable.

    I know that we all are left wanting more, but it ended at exactly the right time.

  14. Re:So what? by sorak · · Score: 4, Funny

    Right, she's a one-eyed mutant with an ancient alien for a pet, and he's his own time traveling grandson. You'd think they'd have more to talk about.

  15. Re:So what? by hedwards · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's no fair you changed the number by counting them.

  16. Re:Dumb TV by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, I really don't get this. With the relative sophistication of fios set-top boxes, you'd think they'd gather every channel change, data link is taken care of, and Verizon would be frothing at the mouth to sell some of this data, no?

    Not sure why the world is still relying on Nielsen ratings in this day and age.

  17. I have to agree on Futurama and time slots by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I launched, I checked it out. I was a Simpson's fan at the time so made sense. I was amazed at how good it was. Very rare to have a show that polished out of the gate. If you watch the first season of most animated shows you'll discover that it takes awhile for the voices to get in their groove, for the animation style to solidify and so on. Not Futurama, it was dynamite out of the gate.

    However, I found it very hard to keep up on. The fucking thing was never on when it was supposed to be. I'd try and tune in and it wouldn't be on the air. Then they seemed to start shuffling it around. They'd move it to a time slot, I'd learn that, and it'd vanish and move.

    I finally gave up.

    I suppose it makes less difference now what with DVRs but pre DVR and pro digital cable, it took some effort to track down a show that got moved all the time, and it was real annoying to be on the correct channel at the correct time according to the guide and not see what you want.

  18. Re:So what? by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Funny

    Futurama definitely takes a much keener intellect to really appreciate.

    I know what you mean. Like when Bender's drinking a beer, at first I'm like "WTF, robots drink beer?!? That does not make sense!" But then after subsequent viewings, I come to the realization that his internal power source must be some sort of combustion engine, so really he's just refueling, but sometimes the waste water from his internal distillation process leaks onto his circuitry, which makes him behave erratically. Only then do I really appreciate the joke.

  19. Re:So what? by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bender goes into his "drunk" mode when he isn't drinking enough... it's part of the running gag.

  20. Re:So what? by delinear · · Score: 3, Informative

    The key part is how to work them into an episode without killing the flow. I can watch an episode of Futurama with my GF, and while I enjoy the show because of the clever in-jokes, she can enjoy it despite the clever in-jokes. So long as the joke's not laboured, everyone wins.

  21. Re:precipice? by squizzar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To an extent I agree. I always find it interesting that British comedies tend to have 6-episodes per series, and most of the greatest comedies have only done a few series. My favourites like Blackadder, Fawlty Towers, Black Books, The IT Crowd, Fast Show, League of Gentlemen etc. have as many episodes in their entire run as one series of Scrubs, but most are remembered as being brilliant. I would of course love to see more episodes of each, but as you say, it would a be a terrible shame if they did more episodes for the sake of it and in doing so ruined the memory of how brilliant the existing episodes are.

  22. Re:That show is total soul-fluff. Meaningless. by delinear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No soul? Nothing to say about the people? Okay, it doesn't force the sentimentality down your throat like some shows (and that's a good thing IMO), but there are many moving moments - the four leaf clover episode gets me no matter how many times I watch it with subtle overtones of sibling rivalry overruled by brotherly love spread over a thousand years, and with comedic intervention throughout to stop it becoming too cloying. It's an incredibly clever piece of television because of the human insight.

  23. Re:That show is total soul-fluff. Meaningless. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Futurama never had a soul. -Which is a shame, because it could have done. It offers a huge and fun world to explore, but it never gets serious for even a second

    Are you fucking *kidding* me? Have you never watched "Jurassic Bark", "Luck of the Fryfish", or "The Sting"? The Simpsons had some brilliant, emotional moments in it's golden years, but Futurama is easily its equal.