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FBI Failed To Break Encryption of Hard Drives

benoliver writes to let us know that the FBI has failed to decrypt files of a Brazilian banker accused of financial crimes by Brazilian law enforcement, after a year of attempts. Five hard drives were seized by federal police at the apartment of banker Daniel Dantas, in Rio de Janeiro, during Operation Satyagraha in July 2008. (The link is to a Google translation of the original article in Portuguese.) The article in English mentions two encryption programs, one Truecrypt and the other unnamed. 256-bit AES was used, and apparently both the Brazilian police and the FBI tried dictionary attacks against it. No Brazilian law exists to force Dantas to produce the password(s).

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  1. Wrong dictionary. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...both the Brazilian police and the FBI tried dictionary attacks against it

    They should have used a Portuguese dictionary not an English one! Geeze! Folks are soooooo US centric!

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    1. Re:Wrong dictionary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fifty bucks says the password is GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!

  2. That's what they *want* you to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just because you're paranoid does NOT mean that no one's out to get you.

    And you KNOW the government is out to get you.

  3. They should publish it as a DVD by kawabago · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should publish it as a DVD and within hours they'll be able to download the unencrypted file from a torrent! :o)

  4. Re:Wrong Agency by DarkDespair5 · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, AES has been independently vetted and attacked by multiple security organizations. The only flaws that have been discovered in the algorithm are minor and inconsequential. The NSA is a double-edged sword - they help with useful security tools such as SELinux as well as their traditional spook espionage. The NSA can't crack AES even with a supercomputer (right now, and only if the user has a decent password and/or 2-factor authentication).

  5. Re:Wrong Agency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Other agencies such as NSA can probably crack that encryption with ease if not instantaneously

    Stop believing in spy movies.

  6. Re:US Laws? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

    The law of gravity. The feds hang you by your feet out a 5th floor window till you talk......

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  7. Re:Validating technology by kylemonger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The FBI can't crack it, true, but crypto is rarely the weakest link. Can you prevent the FBI from installing a keylogger on the computer you use to access the drives? Can you prevent them from installing a camera somewhere that records your keystrokes, or records your computer screen? It sounds like they moved on this guy too soon. If you need a brick of encrypted data to make your case against a white collar criminal, that's just lazy police work. If you build enough of a case against him beforehand, he'll give you the key as part of a deal to reduce his jail-time. Then you can use that data to go after the next leve of baddies.

  8. Re:is waterboarding next to get the info? by keeboo · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's not offtopic. If they want the info bad enough, that is what they will do. And nobody will be able to prove a damn thing.

    In Brazil, proofs produced by illegal means cannot be used (Federal Constitution, Art. 5, Inc. LVI).

    Also, commiting a crime in order to produce proofs is aggravated up to a 1/3 (Decree-Law 2.848, Art. 342, Par. 1).

  9. Re:Wrong Agency by Kjella · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If the NSA could have unlocked it for them, I believe the FBI would have been there in a split second. They probably already asked.

    You must remember that the NSA is in the national security business. Revealing that AES can be broken would be beyond huge, it'd be bigger than the breaking of the Enigma codes during WWII. It'd also destroy the value, because afterwards everyone would migrate to something else. So even if NSA has that capability it'd be Top Secret and not revealed just to catch this guy. It's something they'd use in secret for signals intelligence and only reveal if it was absolutely necessary in defense of the United States.

    Gotta ask, does AES have a backdoors that they can go "compell" an organization to give them the keys to it?

    AES itself? No. Any particular encryption software? Possibly, but as TrueCrypt is open source that's unlikely. Same with the full disk encryption in Linux. As pure brute force, there's not enough energy in the sun to break a 256-bit encryption. But there can always be some kind of algorithmic attack. I think for AES256 there was an attack lowering the strength to about AES128 strength. Still plenty strong but you can't knew if there's a better one.

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  10. Re:is waterboarding next to get the info? by Tacvek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Granting immunity is used in a fair number of crimes, but using it as away to force tesitmony frm an uncooperative witness is very rare, Much more common is the witness is perfectly willing to testify in exchange for the immunity. Cases like organized crime are the very reason for the WITSEC program (more popularly known as the witness protection program).

    An even bigger problem with attempting to use immunity to compel testimony is that Supreme Court has held that only use immunity is required to compel tesitimony. That means the indivudual can later be prosecuted for the crime, but his testimony of evidence dirived from his testimony cannot be used against him. The only problem is that that should mean that only evidence collected before the testimony should be admissible, because it is impossible to show that evidence later collected was not found based on the testimony, and the courts do not require the police to prove that, so only evidence that was obviously based on the testimony is ever excluded.

    Furthermore. If they refuse to testify they are charged with only contempt of court, but if they do testify, and that helps the cops get evidence against him, he is in bad shape. So given the choice he may well accept the contempt charge.

    Finally, it can be hard to trust the testimony of somebody forced to testify against their will. Hiding this fact from the jury would be a bad idea because the jury has a right to know any reason why a particular witness may be unreliable. On the other hand, if the jury does know, The testimony really does not help the prosecution much.

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  11. Re:is waterboarding next to get the info? by laron · · Score: 5, Funny

    I take issue with your first statement. Luckily, there is an easy test to see what is and what isn't torture:
    A claims that method X isn't torture, B says it is. Just have B apply Method X to A, until A confesses that he was wrong.

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  12. Re:is waterboarding next to get the info? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    hat's all nice and stuff, but many people (myself included) believe that they went too far and, basically, criminals are being treated like defenceless babies.

    Fuck you. No, really...fuck you.

    It is not possible to go too far in that direction. You take away just enough rights to prevent an anarchist nightmare, but no more. It's still evil that we must take away those rights, but the few assholes who want to hurt others for personal gain make it necessary to do so. Still, it is always very, very important that you're always aware that every law, regardless of how well-intentioned, causes you to slide a bit more into the slippery slope towards tyranny. So, when absolutely necessary in order to protect your society's way of life, you do it. Never do it just because some people are getting away with things you don't think they should...the price you're paying isn't worth it.