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Believing You Are Very Good Or Evil Boosts Your Physical Capabilities

Research by Kurt Gray, a doctoral student in psychology at Harvard, shows that a person's capacity for willpower and physical endurance increases if they perceive themselves as good or evil. "Evil" acts in particular give a person a large boost in physical strength. From the article: “'People perceive those who do good and evil to have more efficacy, more willpower, and less sensitivity to discomfort,' Gray said. 'By perceiving themselves as good or evil, people embody these perceptions, actually becoming more capable of physical endurance.' Gray’s findings run counter to the notion that only those blessed with heightened willpower or self-control are capable of heroism, suggesting instead that simply attempting heroic deeds can confer personal power."

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  1. Midichlorian testing to come soon by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 3, Funny

    The force is strong in this one.

    1. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I really hate that scene. Lucas dropped that line to try to move the "force" from being Fantasy Fiction magic (and quell complaints that Star Wars is not science fiction). But it still doesn't explain what "the force" is supposed to be. Are the midichlorians a bunch of tiny wizards ala Harry Potter casing "force" spells everywhere? It's still just nonsense.

      This is why I hate Fantasy that tries itself off as "a possible future" science fiction reality. No. No. No. I'm sorry but there will never be magic in our universe..... maybe in some neighboring universe, but not in ours

      For more info, I recommend this excellent video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDNrnpefGio

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    2. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by Cicada7 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Any significantly advanced technology..", yadda yadda, you all know the quote.

      To anyone living prior to the 1900's, television, the internet, cell phones.. they'd all be magic. You could certainly try to explain the technology away, but likely the explination would also be significantly advanced enough to be percieved as magic. Electron tunneling whoosawhatsits? I just wants my fancy movin' picture porn to come on over the tubes and light up my screen!

    3. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by thesandtiger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Midichlorians may simply be organisms that are capable of exerting heretofore unknown forces in the universe or modifying the interactions of currently known forces (suppressing, increasing, reversing them, whatever). Plants, for example, seem to use quantum entanglement as a part of photosynthesis, according to some recent news stories I've read - why couldn't there be other organisms out there that take advantage of other quirks of physics?

      Or maybe they're organisms that have evolved that feed on force energy, and their presence in someone's body isn't giving them the force, but simply a way of getting an idea of whether or not they're strong with it. For example, white blood cell counts are used as a way of inferring whether or not someone has an infection. I think this is a more probable explanation, as, given the fact that Vader lost both arms and legs and was *still* phenomenally powerful, the midichlorians in his arms and legs were probably not contributing to his power.

      Personally, I don't think the force needed to be explained, but I don't think that the explanation they gave was as much bullshit as people seem to think.

      I'm with you, though, in that I think stories that try to explain why certain features of their universe work tend to really wind up underwhelming. Let magic be magic - we were perfectly OK for 20+ years with the idea that Jedi are basically magic, why spoil it with something mundane?

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    4. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The explanation is bullshit. We are supposed to believe that this blaster having, light speed exceeding, strong AI using galactic society can not figure out and duplicate the 'quirk of physics' embodied in midichlorians? The explanation is magical precisely because it can not be duplicated or even explained technologically by a sufficiently advanced civilization.

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    5. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by almightyons · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you guys read Asimov's foundation, you should know that Star Wars is just an attempt in taking probably the best series of science fiction ever written and delivering it in a more acessible package for the masses. No, you don't want plausible mutants whith electromagnetic devices that alter other people's perception, you just want a 'force'. Star wars is just Fantasy put in a 80s' hype era.

    6. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by OakDragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Electron tunneling whoosawhatsits? I just wants my fancy movin' picture porn to come on over the tubes and light up my screen!

      Which is pretty much the response you'd get right now, today.

  2. Playing your alignment? by Pojut · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if you are Neutral Neutral...would you just collapse in a heap of jello?

    1. Re:Playing your alignment? by XanC · · Score: 2, Funny

      What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power?

    2. Re:Playing your alignment? by Pojut · · Score: 2, Funny

      What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power?

      Feh. A man doesn't lust; a man takes. ::fends off the feminists:: I'm just playing my character's alignment! Chauvinist/neutral.

    3. Re:Playing your alignment? by Pojut · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We had a buddy back in the day who made an attempt at a Lawful Evil character. It's much harder than you think.

    4. Re:Playing your alignment? by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hate to go all Godwin on you, but isn't the best example of evil in the past 100 years a perfect example of 'lawful evil'?

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    5. Re:Playing your alignment? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2, Funny

      ::fends off the feminists::

      No, that won't make them touch you, either.

    6. Re:Playing your alignment? by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Chaotic is Conan running into a crowd of enemies whirling his sword. Chaotic is 'V for Vendetta' disrupting the machinery of the 'lawful evil' society around him. Chaotic is the Unibomber.

      The Nazi war machine was a well organized, disciplined army running on precise rules. The rule of law was despicable, but a rule of law nonetheless.

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    7. Re:Playing your alignment? by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sadly you are correct. The men who TAKE are the ones who get sex and marriage (and maybe even some adultery on the side). Us nice guys finish last because women find us "weak" non-confident and unattractive.

      No I'm not bitter. Why do you ask?

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    8. Re:Playing your alignment? by jbeach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think the Nazis were even lawful evil, since they were quite ready to violate their own laws if it suited them. But they weren't chaotic evil - that would be more like, say, Manson. "Neutral Evil" might better describe them...

      Perhaps the best description of Lawful evil might be Jim Jones, and various other leaders who perish with their cults. They are following their own laws, even to their own doom.

      Of course, where D&D steps out of touch with reality (besides, you know, with every single fantasy element : ) ) is that people almost never - and I'm tempted to say never - really view themselves as evil. Even if they may claim they're "evil", they always have some sort of justification for their actions. They're evil because "society is evil", or "God is evil", or "my parents made me evil." There's never anyone in real life who's like "I freely chose evil, just because I dig it and it's fun." That only exists in fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter.

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    9. Re:Playing your alignment? by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm reasonably certain that the women who find less selfish men unappetizing are the ones who spend their whole days trying to get "bought"--with too much makeup, revealing clothes, spending too much time thinking about fashion and aesthetics, etc. Those same people have been focused on a lot by media because, well, they're the most photogenic, and easy to portray with bad actors.

      To be honest, nice guys deserve better. Hopefully, they will someday learn to stop listening to hyped salespeople in relationships, as in any other market.

    10. Re:Playing your alignment? by Xaositecte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      seriously dude, just pick up the phone, give her a call, and ask her out. It's Summer, go for a walk in the park, picnic, bring some wine if you're old enough.

      Don't play the just friends shit either, specify it's a date. If she's not interested, fine, move on to another one.

    11. Re:Playing your alignment? by Xaositecte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Eh, sex is part of it, a fantastic part, but not the whole.

      "Move on to another one" is the advice I give to "nice guys" who are absolutely fixated on one girl, especially one who clearly isn't interested in them and\or doesn't even know they exist. This is a tremendously common problem.

      Even if you're looking for love above all else, why would you waste your time on someone who isn't interested in you?

    12. Re:Playing your alignment? by jahudabudy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've read before (and found it to be true in subsequent observation) that part of the reason assholes get the girl and nice guys don't is that a lot of "nice guys" have the idea that projecting sexual desire/sexual desirability is "not nice". Probably b/c the methods most young men use to project sexual confidence and desire ARE rude, boorish and assholish. So the nice guy equates sexual aggressiveness with the undesirable methods of expressing this he sees in his peers when he is first developing, and basically emasculates himself in order to be non-threatening (an "asshole" as he sees it). They put themselves out there as a sexual non-entity, so are seen that way by women. Assholes don't care about being non-threatening; they want what they want and don't bother to hide it. So the asshole makes a woman feel desirable, the nice guy makes her feel comfortable.

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    13. Re:Playing your alignment? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, bullshit. Women do want a man who is self-confident. Being self-confident is not the same as not being "nice". Grow a sack, learn how to communicate directly irl, learn how to not be doormat for women, and maybe you'll be taken seriously by one.

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  3. I told you! I told you so! by jeffmeden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gray’s findings run counter to the notion that only those blessed with heightened willpower or self-control are capable of heroism, suggesting instead that simply attempting heroic deeds can confer personal power.

    See? You can will yourself to have heroic physical capabilities! Batman *isn't* bullshit! He may have bought his fame, and all his cool gadgets, but that doesn't stop him from willing himself into a superhero. Thank you, modern science, for seeing the light.

  4. In related news... by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 5, Funny

    science discovers adrenaline. Story at 5

    1. Re:In related news... by somersault · · Score: 2, Informative

      The type of self control mentioned in TFS isn't "I probably shouldn't eat another donut", it's "oh fuck my legs are really tired and sore, I wanna go lie down", and getting a boost of adrenaline would help you push through that kind of thing.

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  5. Old as dirt. by cyphercell · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy."

      Sun Tzu

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    1. Re:Old as dirt. by hedwards · · Score: 3, Funny

      That text is most wise, much of it though is common sense to those with a knowledge of combat. Personally, I prefer Zapp Brannigan's Big Book of War.

    2. Re:Old as dirt. by misexistentialist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That quote is not about "belief".

  6. Oh, Great by StefanJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now the Olympics are going to look like a convention of superheroes and supervillains, with each athlete alignment-doping him or herself with more and more outrageous costumes, posturing, and pre-event monologues.

    "Sure, he hurled the discus five miles, but did he really have to soak it in the blood of five virgins and dedicate his performance to All-Mighty Set?"

    1. Re:Oh, Great by sorak · · Score: 5, Funny

      So the Olympics will turn into pro-wrestling?

    2. Re:Oh, Great by TheCarp · · Score: 2, Funny

      yes but without all the top notch acting and special effects.

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    3. Re:Oh, Great by mrheckman · · Score: 2, Funny

      How much evil can an Olympic athlete do before it is considered "doping"?

  7. Paladin by Stargoat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If that's the case, then why is Paladin the worst 3.5e base class?

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  8. Re:I told you! I told you so! by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's been established for a really long time. Winding up in texts from the Bhagavad Gita to The Art Of War. And frequently gets parodied in western pop culture. It's somewhat tied into the great strength of chimps. Chimps don't have really have any more muscle than a similarly sized person, but so much of our muscles are used to control precise movements that we lose out a lot on strength. Similarly by clearing the mind of doubt we can cease fighting with ourselves and become far more powerful and coordinated than we normally would.

    The reason why is simply that being careful tends to cause for weak performance as a result of the excess thinking it requires. Which is why everybody from martial artists of old to marines will train and train and train until they can do without thinking.

  9. Chaotic Neutral? by ctchristmas · · Score: 4, Funny

    So switching my lvl 7 dark elf warrior from chaotic neutral to evil gives a str bonus?

  10. Ah, the science of misinterpretation by Layth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IMHO they missed the mark on this one.
    It's not about good or evil, it's about catering to the ego's sense of importance.

    Speaking from personal experience, if I am going out of my way to commit a personal sacrifice in the name goodness, then my sense of importance becomes expanded for the duration of the act.
    For example, if you're running a marathon for a charity you believe in. Suddenly, you may find the wordly measurements of your physical endurance to be exhibiting increased levels.

    Are you a super human? No.
    You're just willing to grit your teeth and take a little more pain. Because it's *important* and what you're doing is *important* and the ego just eats it up.

  11. Re:So being netural is the worst chocie then? by proc_tarry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OLIVER: How hard was it to remind neutral during World War II?

    MAURER: Well, I think this is always a debate and I think we do make a clear distinction between our neutrality as an instrument of foreign policy and what we think as individuals and what the country thinks.

    OLIVER: But then, the neutrality issue seems complicated. Now obviously, Hitler did some very bad things, we know that. How do you focus on the positive things to balance that out?

    MAURER: It's not a question of positive. It's a question of our neutrality has always been a state-driven concept of not participating in war.

    OLIVER: Was there not just a little voice of humanity inside you saying this is terrible, we should really do something about it?
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    MAURER: As a question of principle, it's unadvisable for a country as small as ours to participate in war. Why should we?

    OLIVER: So: Easy to take a position on neutrality, hard to take a position on Hitler.

    MAURER: We did take strong positions on Hitler and many other things. We didn't participate in the war. That's two different things.

    OLIVER: [imitating Hitler] "Would it be possible for me to keep my gold here?" [Imitating the Swiss] "Ah, Adolf! Of course! Lovely to see you again. Come back in! What have you been up to? Actually, don't tell me, I want to be able to say I don't know."

    [uncomfortable pause]

    OLIVER: Is this neutral anger, or real anger, Mr. Ambassador?