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Tracking Down Wi-Fi Interference?

Nicros writes "Almost every evening, between 8:30 and 10:00, my Wi-Fi just dies. This, in itself, could be explained by a crappy Wi-Fi source or some hardware failure, except that I know both of my neighbors are experiencing the same loss of signal at the same time. While the Wi-Fi is down, the LAN is OK, and anything plugged into Cat5 can access the Internet just fine. One possibility comes to mind — perhaps some other neighbor arrives home and turns on their router from 8:30 to 10:00? And something in their signal is hosing our Wi-Fi? I have tried looking around for software to help identify the source of interference, but either the programs are ridiculously expensive for a home user, or else my card (Intel Link 1000 BGN) isn't supported. (Netstumbler is an example of the latter.) Any suggestions on how I can track this down?"

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  1. Don't bet on it being wifi. by BabaChazz · · Score: 5, Informative

    An associate of mine reported the same issue. In his case it was a failed security lamp that was trying to come on at sunset and failing; it was only when the ballast gave up after an hour and a half that his wifi -- and his AM radio -- came back. Note that many security lights are sodium arc or mercury vapor arc; not much is as hard on RF in general as a big fat arc.

  2. Try it the low tech way... by javaguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...put a sign in your front window or building lobby asking if anyone else is having the same problem, or uses electrical equipment only between those times. Make it a friendly note, with smiles, rainbows, and unicorns, so you don't offend anyone or make it look like a witch. As a bonus you get to know your neighbours.

  3. Buy a cheap supported wifi card? by millisa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are finding your fancy wifi card isn't supported by stumbler and other free channel overlap type tools . . . why not buy a cheap wifi card to use with those apps? You could always drop it back on craigslist/ebay (or even return it to the store claiming it doesn't match your curtains).

  4. Use your local ham radio club by crath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Talk to someone in your local ham radio club and see if they have a member with a spectrum analyzer and a directional antenna. Have them come out to the house and do some direction finding to determine who is transmittin on the WiFi freqeuncies in your neighbourhood.

    Be polite. Ask nicely. Buy them pizza and beer to say thank you.

    Hams are nice guys and gals and they will probably be happy to help out.

    The ARRL website can probably provide a contact for your local ham radio club.

    1. Re:Use your local ham radio club by bezenek · · Score: 5, Interesting

      First try what is suggested by BabaChazz in his comment above and is what most Hams would do to start. Listen for the noise on an AM radio. You do not want FM, as one of the characteristics of FM is to block this noise.

      Take your (preferably hand-held) radio and tune it somewhere on the dial where there is no station. Then, you can try moving it around your computer to hear all of the RF interference your motherboard, etc. are giving off. If you cannot hear this noise, something is wrong with the radio--be sure it is set to AM. :-)

      Leave the radio on, and you might hear the noise start at the time your WiFi drops. If you do not, the interference is not covering the AM frequencies (an arc will cover everything), and it is probably time to call in a Ham.
      It is likely you will hear it.

      If you hear it, you can walk around inside and outside your house listening for where the noise gets stronger. Often this will be tracked down to a phone pole or something else.

      Once you find it, contact the appropriate person (electric distribution supplier, city, etc.) Convincing someone to fix a problem like this is not always easy.

      -Todd

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      Omne ignotum pro magnifico.
  5. Hey Nicros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd help you buddy, but every night between 8:30 and 10:00pm I'm working on my microwave disruptor beam. If it happens any other time, let me know and I'll be glad to pop over and take a look.

  6. Re:define "dies" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    For example I run netbsd on my wife router

    NetBSD...it really does run on anything!

    Did you get your wife from Stepford?

  7. Re:Agree - Old wireless house phones! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is exactly the problem we had with our apartment neighbor's teenage daughter. 8:30pm -10:00 pm fits the high school homework phone schedule.
    A gift of 5 GHz wireless phones to the neighbors (in exchange for their old phones of course) cleaned up our mutual WiFi problems.
    Took the old phones and dumped them into ATT Wireless Store's recycle bin.

  8. Re:report it to the fcc by GSloop · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't know if they'll come and check things out, but they do care about unlicensed bands - if you're way outside the power envelope allowed, I'm sure they'll whack you upside the head just as bad as if you were doing it in licensed spectrum.

    Given the symptoms, I wouldn't be surprised to find something in the spectrum being used that IS outside the allowed power-limits.

    However, I think you're more likely to get results if you find out what the offending device/person/entity is and asking them to help resolve the conflict. If they don't then you can move on to a complaint with the FCC based on power-output.

  9. Re:It could be any number of things. by fake_name · · Score: 5, Informative

    We had a lot of trouble with wireless disruptions around our office - I eventually bought a Wi-Spy (http://www.metageek.net/) for $99 because the productivity loss was getting bad enough to justify the cost of the hardware.

    Running a spectrum analyzer, and moving around the office (spending a few minutes in each spot ) was a great way to see what interference was where, and it's great to be able to "see" the 2.4Ghz spectrum instead of just look at what wireless networks exist.

  10. Re:report it to the fcc by plover · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a cheap build-it-yourself spectrum analyzer: http://hackaday.com/2010/03/17/im-me-spectrum-analyzer/ The IM-ME can be had for about $15 or so, and is purportedly very hackable.

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    John
  11. Re:report it to the fcc by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's an unlicensed service, provided you use licensed hardware to operate on it. That means, there's FCC certification behind all the commercial wifi gear you use. If you modify it or add on power boosting transmitters, you're using unlicensed hardware and the FCC will come after you.

  12. Re:report it to the fcc by labnet · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://hackaday.com/2010/03/17/im-me-spectrum-analyzer/ [hackaday.com] The IM-ME can be had for about $15 or so, and is purportedly very hackable.

    But it's... pink...

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    46137
  13. Re:Agree - Old wireless house phones! by shawb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    8:30 - 10:00 could also be a baby monitor.

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    I'll never make that mistake again, reading the experts' opinions. - Feynman
  14. Re:report it to the fcc by Atario · · Score: 5, Funny

    So is your dick. Do you avoid that too?

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    "A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
  15. Re:report it to the fcc by Anachragnome · · Score: 5, Funny

    "It does *not* mean that the FCC doesn't care, or that they won't investigate interference."

    Investigate it yourself.

    Go from house to house, both sides of your street, pounding on doors, yelling "I'm gunna start kicking some ass if you don't stop interfering with my WiFi Signal! Pussy! C'mon!".

    The guy that DOESN'T come outside and kick your ass is the culprit. Speak to him privately after you get out of the hospital. I'm sure the two of you can come to a reasonable solution to the issue if you just relax and work things out rationally.

  16. Re:report it to the fcc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    airodump-ng --showack -w output mon0

    take note that all your idiotic neighbors all use channel 6 for everything.

    decrypt WEP/WPA keys for router.

    connect to router, login using default (never changed) credentials.

    upload notepad.exe to router as a firmware upgrade.

    no wireless devices running in range of your equipment.