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First Direct Photo of Exoplanet Confirmed

An anonymous reader noted a report confirming the first ever exoplanet actually photographed from telescopes on earth. Every other exoplanet so far 'observed' has been done by measuring wobbles of stars pulled by planetary gravity. But this one is a photograph. And that's just plain cool.

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  1. As Wil Wheaton often says by Pojut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Damn, I love living in the future.

    1. Re:As Wil Wheaton often says by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 3, Funny

      But you wrote that comment in the past!

    2. Re:As Wil Wheaton often says by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And I hate living in a pre-warp culture. Come on scientists. Invent a warp drive so instead of taking blurry images, we can send a camera to that distant planet and take a photo directly.

      I don't know. Maybe this is why aliens have never contacted us? Maybe they are stuck inside their local solar system, same as we are, and the distance between stars is just too big a hurdle to jump. I once read a Science story about humans that hopped on a giant ship and accelerated to llghtspeed to visit a star with an earthlike planet. The humans inboard only aged two years, but 150 years passed-away back home..... whole countries rose and fell during that timespan. Totally impractical way to explore.

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    3. Re:As Wil Wheaton often says by TheKidWho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's only impractical now while our world is developing.

      Who knows how long people will live for in the future? If we could all live to say 500 years old, then space travel would be much easier on us.

    4. Re:As Wil Wheaton often says by chichilalescu · · Score: 4, Funny

      as a PhD student in physics, the interstellar travel mechanism closest to being theoretically possible that I've seen so far is the Infinite Improbability Drive.

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    5. Re:As Wil Wheaton often says by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What I find most fascinating about people who want to be able to travel to exotic new worlds and find new life forms: so frequently these people spend their entire life behind a computer screen when there are so many worlds to visit here on Earth.

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    6. Re:As Wil Wheaton often says by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No different than with most people I know who travel anywhere. Most people I know who go on regular vacations to other countries end up going to the Caribbean twice a year, and sitting on a beach. There are so many more interesting places to see in the world. Go to Europe, Japan, Africa. Visit the cities, see the people, visit the villages too. Maybe it costs more. Maybe you can only make a trip every 5 years because of the cost. But you will have a much richer experience. If all you want to do is sit on a beach and drink, you might as well just sit on your couch at home. At least you won't get skin cancer.

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    7. Re:As Wil Wheaton often says by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Octopus.

      Octopus are intelligent; they figure that they have the rough brain capacity of a four-year-old. They are alien; they live underwater, they are cephalopods, and they do not use audio communication. They are novel; I dive, and all the divers I know love to find octos.

      They are closer to us than any alien could possibly be, but we can't communicate with them at all. I find it unlikely at best that we could have any communication whatsoever with a species from another solar system.

      Most people on this planet never stick their heads under the water at all.

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  2. Photo dates from 2008 by mbone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The key word in the title is "confirmed." Readers may remember that there were 2 separate sets of planets photographed in papers published in 2008. Now, we are sure (not that there was much doubt) that one of them is truly orbiting its primary star.

    1. Re:Photo dates from 2008 by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, if you want to get technically correct - the best kind of correct - then the title should be "First Confirmation of Direct Photo of Alien Planet", not "First Direct Photo of Alien Planet Finally Confirmed", since it most certainly is not the first direct photograph of an alien planet.

      We photographed many, many alien planets before this one: every time anyone pointed a camera at the sky, in fact. We've just not spotted any planets in those other images (yet).

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    2. Re:Photo dates from 2008 by sorak · · Score: 3, Funny

      We just need to use the good old CSI zoom and enhance! We'll find many more!

      But won't they all be covered in semen and blood stains?

  3. Adaptic optics FTW by OneAhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see this as a big triumph of adaptic optics. This picture was not made by a space telescope, but by an earth-based one!

    1. Re:Adaptic optics FTW by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

      I see this as a big triumph of adaptic optics. This picture was not made by a space telescope, but by an earth-based one!

      Indeed, hope the liquid mirror option becomes practical and viable so we can achieve more amazing photographs and data like this. Although I have to wonder why they didn't use an orbiting satellite like Hubble to avoid Earth's atmosphere when photographing such an amazing thing. Have terrestrial adaptive optic solutions already caught up with orbiting satellites?

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    2. Re:Adaptic optics FTW by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IIRC, Hubble's mirror, despite not having to deal with atmospheric conditions, is much smaller than that of many terrestrial observatories. As such if you can apply adaptive optics techniques, you still have more usable light on the ground based telescopes.

      I personally just say we take the best of both worlds - I want a lunar based observatory with a 25 meter aperture. No need for adaptive optics, and FAR more light gathering capability than our current telescopes. We'll figure out how to pay for it later :) (sadly, I'm sure for the price of the Iraq war we COULD have such a piece of hardware).

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    3. Re:Adaptic optics FTW by rwllama · · Score: 2, Informative

      Adaptive optics works great at infrared wavelengths. It does not (yet) do well at visible wavelengths. Even the 2.5 meter mirror of Hubble has better resolution at visible wavelengths than the 10 meter Keck mirror due to atmospheric blurring. Further, adaptive optics is only effective over small fields of view (such as a single star and planet). One can not take a wide field view of a nebula or a galaxy and get a high resolution adaptive optics view over the whole field.

  4. Re:Because we can't see Venus at night.... by Buggz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is there some weird definition of "Alien" that I dont know of?

    Usually it means extra-terrestrial, but in this case they mean extra-solar (a word also used in the article). I'll assume the guy who came up with the headline is not the guy who wrote the article.

  5. Re:Aint the first by yakumo.unr · · Score: 2, Informative

    From TFA "first ever directly photographed by telescopes on Earth" Formalhaut_b was imaged from Hubble.

  6. Pluto by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's an irony in that we can now see extrasolar planets but we still can't get a really decent the smallest (dwarf)planet in our solar system.

  7. Re:Because we can't see Venus at night.... by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alien, in this context, = outside of our solar system. As in too far for you to take a picture.

    You are making quite an assumption about where the GP poster lives and is posting from. Beam me up dismiley!

  8. Other Direct Images of Exoplanets Exist by rwllama · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are several direct images of exoplanets available. Hubble took one of a planet around Fomalhaut, which was announced the same day that Keck announced three planets around HR 8799 (Nov 13, 2008). The next week, ESO announced a possible planet around Beta Pictoris, which has recently been confirmed. What these folks at Gemini are saying is that they announced a possible direct image earlier in 2008, which they have now confirmed, so theirs was really the first. It is a game of "who got the first direct image of a planet around another star?". It doesn't really matter, but it is very cool that we can now directly see not only the 8 planets in our solar system, but also at least 6 more in other solar systems. At some pivotal point in the near future we will have more pictures of planets outside our solar system than within it!

  9. Re:Good by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I vote we use the cast of "Jersey Shore," and not give them spacesuits.

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  10. Who writes this stuff? by joeyblades · · Score: 2, Informative

    > first ever alien planet actually photographed...

    Well, technically this is not the first alien planet photographed. That honor would probably go to Venus. However, this is the first exoplanet ever photographed, but it's old news since the first photographs of Fomalhaut's planet were taken in 2008...

    Slow news day or something???

  11. How big a telescope do we need to see cities? by io333 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been wondering for twenty years at least: how big a telescope do we need to build, in space, or on the dark side of the moon, or even on earth, to see cities on an earthlike planet somewhere out there?

    And why are we not building one instead of wasting all the money on welfare, manned space exploration of a our mostly dead solar system, and more missiles so we can blow this place earth up even more times than we already can (I think we destroy the earth up to 6 times now?)

    The main problem with our space program is that for 100 years we've been stuck with the rocket equation and 2% at best payloads. Ion engines give a little more hope for an interstellar probe someday...

    If we found some more living earths out there, maybe our best and brightest might expend their brainpower on coming up with a better engine for space travel, rather than investment banking and law.

    So how big a telescope do we need? Let's start building it!

    1. Re:How big a telescope do we need to see cities? by rwllama · · Score: 3, Informative

      OK - Here's the math ...

      100 light-years = 1 quadrillion kilometers -- You want a 1 meter resolution at that distance, so you need an angular resolution alpha, where tan(alpha) = 1 / 10^18 --> alpha = 5.7 x 10^-17 degrees

      Let's use Hubble as a scaling proxy. It has a 2.5 meter mirror and 1/20th of an arc second resolution. Converting units, that resolution is 1 / (20*60*60) = 1.4 x 10^-5 degrees. Now, simply scale to get the desired resolution and you have the diameter of the mirror = 2.5 * 1.4 x 10^-5 / 5.7 x 10^-17

      The diameter you want is 614 million kilometers, or more than 4 times the distance between Earth and the Sun. Good luck building that.

    2. Re:How big a telescope do we need to see cities? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > The diameter you want is 614 million kilometers...

      That's the aperature you need for the specified resolution but you don't necessarily need that much collecting area (though it could be achieved via gravitational lensing).

      I suspect that the OP's original requirement (imaging cities) could be achieved with a few dozen kilometer-scale mirrors seperated by a few million kilometers.

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  12. Why bother by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I went to click on this link, I told myself "This better not just be another glowing dot". As usual, I was severely disappointed.

    Also, 500 Light Years?

    So even if we achieve FTL travel it's gonna be 40 lifetimes before we get there, not including the time to send any information back? This is where potential space travel funding is going?

    Very sad.

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    1. Re:Why bother by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I went to click on this link, I told myself "This better not just be another glowing dot". As usual, I was severely disappointed.

      Sorry, but expect to be disappointed for a very, very long time.

      This is where potential space travel funding is going?

      No? It's where telescope funding is going.

      Very sad.

      Yeah, it's very sad to learn more about the universe, to be able to study other solar systems besides our own, to discover what kinds there are and how they form.

      That's sad... in opposite world. Or lack-of-inquisitiveness world, aka boring world.

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  13. This submission is inaccurate by The+Bad+Astronomer · · Score: 2, Informative
    OK folks, this submission is pretty misleading about a lot of stuff. Here's the real poop (get the details on my blog):

    In 2005, a planet was directly imaged orbiting a brown dwarf. That's not a sun-like star, but it was the first direct image of an exoplanet.

    In 2008, it was announced that Hubble spotted a planet orbiting Fomalhaut. That's a star hotter and more massive than the Sun, but still sun-like. The images were taken in 2004 and 2006 and it took a while to make sure they were right.

    However, those were taken from space. Also in 2008 images were taken of planets orbiting the sun-like star HR8799 using the ground-based Gemini telescope in Hawaii.

    With me so far? The news today is from observations also taken in 2008, also taken by the Gemini 'scope (and a few months before the ones I just mentioned of HR8799). At the time, the planet was not confirmed. New observations indicate it is, in fact, a planet.

    So to be completely accurate: the image from 2008 of a now-confirmed planet was the first direct image of a planet orbiting a sun-like star taken using a ground-based telescope. This is still very cool, but has been reported inaccurately (the space.com headline, for example, is wrong or at best incomplete).

    Also, going back to the submitted text here to slashdot, planets have been found by three methods: the gravitation tug-of-war Doppler method, the transit method, and by gravitational lensing. I'll leave it up to you to look all that up; I'm exhausted. :)

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