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George Lucas C&Ds 'Lightsaber Laser'

dward90 writes "George Lucas thinks that bulky, handheld lasers shouldn't be produced because they are his intellectual property. From CNN: 'George Lucas wants to force a laser company to stop making a new, high-powered product he says looks too much like the famous lightsaber from his classic sci-fi series. Lucasfilm Ltd. has sent a cease-and-desist letter to Hong Kong-based Wicked Lasers, threatening legal action if it doesn't change its Pro Arctic Laser series or stop selling it altogether.'"

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  1. And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dildos look too much like MY penis. Can I sue their makers?

    1. Re:And... by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because he said ... *gasp!* penis! Such base, immoral language should not be allowed in a public forum! Soon people might throw around other medical terms like 'testicles' and 'mammaries' or even ... dare I say it ... 'vagina'! It's a slippery slope that leads to people eating babies.

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    2. Re:And... by mujadaddy · · Score: 5, Funny

      'vagina'! It's a slippery slope that leads to people eating babies.

      I think you're doing it wrong.

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    3. Re:And... by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is funny and to the point - why is this a troll?

      We train young men to drop fire on people from the sky but forbid them to write the word "fuck" on their airplanes because it is obscene...

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  2. I had already forgotten about Wicked Lasers by boristdog · · Score: 5, Informative

    But now I remember and want to go to the Wicked Laser web site and buy stuff.

    Thanks for reminding me, George! Say hi to Babs Streisand when you see her!

    1. Re:I had already forgotten about Wicked Lasers by localman57 · · Score: 4, Funny

      They're not speaking. She's pissed he walked through her lawn on the way to the beach, and he's still insisting that she write him a check for $450 for that time in the late 70's when she did a concert with her hair in honey-buns.

    2. Re:I had already forgotten about Wicked Lasers by KronosReaver · · Score: 4, Funny

      But now I remember and want to go to the Wicked Laser web site and buy stuff.

      Don't forget to order the optional "Shark Mount"

    3. Re:I had already forgotten about Wicked Lasers by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      It might help if you turn them off before placing them in the cart.

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  3. heh by Pojut · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone else notice how Lucas tends to just shit all over anything remotely reminiscent of Star Wars? My fiancee is convinced it's because Star Wars prevented him from having any other successful films for the rest of this life, and he resents the series because of that.

    My response is that I don't know how you can resent something that makes you a gajilionaire, but whatever.

    1. Re:heh by localman57 · · Score: 4, Funny

      My response is that I don't know how you can resent something that makes you a gajilionaire, but whatever.

      Obviously, you've never gotten a huge settlement check for having your man-parts torn off in a freak industrial accident.

    2. Re:heh by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most of the time anyone's pitching something "light saber" like in their marketing materials, serious fucking laser burns aren't a problem. Blunt force trauma, maybe, but not laser burns.

      I can see why Lucas is trying to get the association away from his name.

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    3. Re:heh by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think he was actually going with the McDonald's route, and trying to market Star Wars to Kids. I mean a 9 year old protagonist hero. Then a cheesy no-lust love story?

      Notice there were a few more video games targetted towards kids and more products aimed at kids than before... I think the idea was to get these kids to be SW geeks for life, more money if you get em young.

    4. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obviously, you've never gotten a huge settlement check for having your man-parts torn off in a freak industrial accident.

      The prequels weren't *that* bad, were they?

    5. Re:heh by Pojut · · Score: 3, Informative

      Willow?
      American Graffiti?
      THX-1138?

      Willow was directed by Ron Howard, not Lucas. Granted, he was a producer, but it still wasn't totally "his baby".

      American Graffiti and THX-1138, though both amazingly awesome, were released prior to Star Wars.

    6. Re:heh by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      love Indy, but all 4 are cheesy, unrealistic, and most lack a traditional Hollywood ending where Indy saves the day.

      Wait, I'm confused. Is that supposed to be criticism or praise?

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    7. Re:heh by schon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most of the time anyone's pitching something "light saber" like in their marketing materials [...] I can see why Lucas is trying to get the association away from his name.

      Maybe if Wicked had actually done that, you might have a point. But seeing as they don't make any mention of Star Wars, Lucas, Lightsabers, or anything even remotely connected to them in any way, this is just Lucas being a dick.

    8. Re:heh by BryanL · · Score: 3, Informative

      The company doesn't pitch it as a "light saber". Reviews of the product compare it to a light saber, but it is not marketed by the company as one. Lucas is complaining because the laser has a hilt like a sword or a light light saber. His argument is fairly weak IMO.

    9. Re:heh by BobMcD · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As an internet meme, it gets beat into the ground, but it is 2 seconds in a much larger movie.

      Return of the Jedi has Ewoks. People seem to forget how much Ewoks were hated when the movie first came out.

      Nothing new ever holds up to idealized versions of prior movies.

      What about direct contradictions to the prior films? Are those simply 'not idealized', or is a reasonable person allowed to object to those as well?

      Episode 3 displayed, at a minimum:

      1) Leia never knew her mother, period, so what she says to Luke in IV is entirely BS.

      2) Vader wasn't in a suit because he was 'battle scarred', he fell into a damn volcano. Once. Most powerful force user to have ever existed can't figure out levitation, or pushing lava out of his way, or any such things. He falls into a hole, slapstick style, just like everyone else.

      3) Anakin didn't turn to the dark side because he was seduced by it, only because he wanted to learn how to raise Padme from the dead. Which he never actually attempted to do, as far as we know, so it was all for naught. Even so, he stays on the dark side for twenty-some years because... why?

      There's more, but I think you get the point.

      As a stand alone film, it probably was close to the original set. As the capstone in the prequel trilogy, not so much. Unless you like your retcons better than I do.

    10. Re:heh by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Informative

      1. Leia was raised by the Organa family. She was also hailed as a Princess because people believed she truly was the child of Bail Organa. The person she believed was her mother wasn't actually her mother.

      2. Lucas said for I think 20 years in various interviews that he always envisioned the Vader/Obi-Wan duel would take place on a volcano planet. I think Starlog magazines were writing about this in the early 80's. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised by something that has been somewhat canon for decades.

      Anakin has a lengthy, exhausting duel in the heat and then has his legs chopped off. In the pain and anger of that moment, he didn't think to move himself with telekinesis. Perhaps the pain of dual amputation distracted him. Using telekinesis seems to require full concentration. Yoda couldn't deal with Dooku and use telekinesis at the same time.

      3. Never is it suggested that the Sith power in question raises people from the dead, but rather stops one from dying in the first place. And even though he wanted that power to protect Padme, it wasn't enough to push him to the dark side. He stays loyal to the Jedi beliefs basically right up to the point he inadvertently leads to Mace Windu's death. I'd have to assume he'd be expelled from the Jedi order over those events.

      It would seem he felt he could never go back, and had no choice but to change allegiances at that point. Immediately killing kids after that seems like a bit of a stretch, but it certainly doesn't directly contradict the original trilogy as you suggest.

      Lucas never had a grand vision. He changed his mind all the time. He was just largely stealing from Flash Gordon, Dune, and Hidden Fortress and accidentally created this masterpiece with the original trilogy.

      After Episode 1 he promised Ric Olie was going to be a major character in the trilogy, along with Aura Sing. He promised Episode 2 would explain Force Ghosts, and the Episode 3 would.

      Early drafts for Star Wars had aliens who used spice to fold space. General Skywalker/Starkiller was the old war veteran, not the farmboy.

      He also said when making the original trilogy that the overall storyline was about Luke and restoring the Jedi order. After the prequels, he says the larger story is all about Anakin/Vader.

      Lucas is full of shit. But, your three points aren't contradictions.

      If you're *really* curious, you should read this:

      http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/

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    11. Re:heh by DMadCat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A reasonable person maybe.

      1. That was episode VI (6), not episode (IV) and her memory of her mother was described as "Images really. Feelings." Which (with little imagination and some empathy) could be attributed to a little girl's idealization of a mother she never knew blurred over time.

      2. When in the series did anyone ever explain that Vader wore a suit because he was 'battle-scarred'? When did you see any jedi save possibly yoda actually levitate or indeed ever use the force to move against inertia? I don't think I need to mention how stupid the lava comment was.

      3. The one thing we're told again and again about the force is that you can't just jump sides whenever you please. Once you turn to the dark side, you can't just go back (especially when, to get there, you murdered a bunch of children). He gave hints that he was dissatisfied with how the Senate was running things and intimated that he could do better. The second and third movies were all about his dissatisfaction with the Jedi order and his yearning to use his considerable power to force people to conform to his world view, held back only by his jedi training, but fostered by the soon to be emperor. Aside from all that, it was Obi Wan (who wasn't actually there when he turned) who told Luke he was seduced by the Dark Side which just makes that line hearsay.

      I'm sure you have more and I'm sure they're just as well thought out and shallow as these. There is criticism that can be leveraged against the Star Wars saga as written by Lucas but frankly, you can do that to any movie or set of movies in hindsight.

  4. Me too. by JohnG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't care about the legal implications of what the laser looks like, but I think it would be a lot cooler to have if it didn't look like a toy. I don't want someone getting a hold of it and thinking it is a light saber and shooting me with it. Dangerous tools should never be made to resemble toys, regardless of who owns the trademarks on the toys.

    1. Re:Me too. by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It doesn't really look like a toy IMHO. It just looks "sleek". A ton of money, even in tool, is spent into making items look futuristic and appealing. When I bought my truck for example I bought it primarily as a tow vehicle for my fishing boat, but I still bought an upgraded appearance package on it because despite it being bought for utility purposes, I still wanted it to look nice too.

      Same with tons of things. Just because it has a snazzy appearance doesn't mean it looks like a toy. I'd wager the ONLY reason you say that is that you're making the same mistake Lucas is - if it's a small laser that is remotely attractive looking then it just has to be copying a lightsaber so the only thing it's good for is to swing it around and making buzzing noises.

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  5. OMFG by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope Lucas also got a patent on a process for establishing "prior art" through the use of a non-functional prop, imagination, and delusions of grandeur.

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    1. Re:OMFG by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Copyright has nothing to do with prior art. Patents and copyrights are different.

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    2. Re:OMFG by Br00se · · Score: 4, Informative

      But the Star Wars props aren't original designs. The early ones were Graflex flash guns with very minor modifications. They evolved slightly over the years, but the design didn't originate with Lucas.

      Basically George is mad that someone ripped off a design that he ripped off already.

  6. Not thinking this through, George... by mujadaddy · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...they're the ones with the functioning lasers!

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    1. Re:Not thinking this through, George... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good lawyer at your side.

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  7. Not at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should be awarded. Can you imagine how much time and effort it took to make such a small injection-mold?

    1. Re:Not at all... by Fembot · · Score: 4, Funny

      These are not the injection moldings you are looking for....

  8. What's next....? by Caviller · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see it now....

    Scientist: We developed Hyperdrive!!
    George: Nope...I did...didn't you see my movie...geesh.

    I think George is heading down the path of the Dark Side....

    1. Re:What's next....? by AnonymousClown · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can see it now.... Scientist: We developed Hyperdrive!! George: Nope...I did...didn't you see my movie...geesh. I think George is heading down the path of the Dark Side....

      Um excuse me! I represent the Roddenberry estate and it's obvious that it is "Warp" drive NOT hyper drive. See you in court!

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  9. Legal Department by Itninja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I seriously doubt 'George Lucas' had anything to do with this. It's possible he's not even aware of it. This was done by the Lucasfilm Ltd legal department. George doesn't exactly engage in day-to-day operations....he has 'people' for that.

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  10. Wow... by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If he succeeds, then REAL scifi authors could have a field day. No more helicopters, hovercraft, or zillions of other inventions they wrote about without getting their permission first...

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  11. Probably unimportant by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'm agreeing with the Wicked Lasers CEO:

    "They're a big company that needs to protect their trademarks. Maybe they're having to look like they're protecting their trademark in case they need to [protect it again] later."

    It's just a laser for now, but next month when Lucasfilm sues a company making unlicensed life-size R2D2 statues, their lawyers can claim they've been actively protecting their copyrights and trademarks, which easily cuts off the biggest defenses. It's all part of the game.

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  12. TFA contains a horrible pic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    While I think this is heavy handed of Lucasfilm Ltd, I looked up the actual product on their website. The pic in TFA is rather close up and doesn't truly show how close this laser resembles a lightsaber. Check out the other pics here: http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyder_III_Pro_Arctic_Series-96-37.html

    As much as I hate to admit it, it does look way too similar to a lightsaber.

  13. Re:age by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the problem is that Lucas is still alive.

    He was much better when he just wanted to share some amazing stories floating in his head, like the original SW trilogy and IJ. Ever since it's been downhill, with a slightly worse prequel trilogy, then selling it all out to have an animated TV series, a handful of recent video game flops, and everything else that seems to be detrimental to the Star Wars fantasy universe.

    And don't forget the holiday special. shivers

    Yeah, George has long since seemed to be more in it for the money, like he is trying to build this vast empire to rival Microsoft. You might even say his entertainment companies, Lucasfilm, Industrial light and magic, skywalker sound, and then hsi co-founding with THX makes it seem like he's monopolized that field. (What's the last action flick you saw that didn't have the little THX promo before the show).

    Seriously Lucas, you've built your empire, and it's doing absolutely great without you trying to "defend" it. Just quietly retire and let the other men try and run the company. I've noticed Lucasarts is revamping the Monkey Island series, and I have a feeling this was not your idea. It's not as huge a success as you probably wish, but its not doing too bad. Remember, the reason these people were even inspired to make lightsabers because of your films, no one is going to forget that.

  14. Re:God Schmod, I want my monkeyman! by rcb1974 · · Score: 3, Informative

    What you need to be worried about is not just the power, but the intensity (power density, or power/spot_size). If the spot size is 1mm diameter, then the power density would be:

    sunlight = 1000 W/m^2 (intensity of sunlight)
    laser_toy = 0.5 W/(0.001^2) = 500000 W/m^2

    500000/1000 = 500 times brighter than the sun!

    Let me know if my calculations are wrong... Haven't done this in awhile.

  15. Re:age by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, George has long since seemed to be more in it for the money, like he is trying to build this vast empire to rival Microsoft.

    That's what happens when you surrender to the Dark Side of The Farce...

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  16. In other news today... by Pollux · · Score: 4, Funny

    Scientists ceased work on developing a time machine that fits inside a car.

    "When we first started development, we had our eyes set on a Camaro," said project manager and lead scientist Phuc Mi. "There aren't too many modern cars that still have enough space both under the hood to fit the fusion reactor necessary to generate the 2.19 GW of power needed to feed the fluidic transistor needed to initiate time travel. But, Michael Bay got wind of our project and, well, let's just say we gutted the Camaro and borrowed someone's Mustang instead. But with this second cease-and-desist letter from Steven Spielberg, we can't keep fighting lawyers! We have much better odds predicting where lightning will strike next than beating them in court!"

  17. Sci-fi copyright applied to science. by wisnoskij · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seem pretty obvious to me that we cannot allow art copyright apply to scientific discoveries.
    No one is going to buy one simply because the handle looks similar (and it is a laser). And it is a handle, it is no wonder that it is similar looking to other handles.
    Quite a lot of possible future technology has been dreamed up by fiction writers.
    For example Star Trek could sue cell phone makers (the first ones even admit to being inspired by Star Trek).

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  18. no real light sabers allowed either? by sgt+scrub · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What if someone build a real light saber? Would the IP of a non existing object restrict someone from selling a real one?

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  19. Re:waita minute by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I was ten, I read fairy stories in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

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  20. credit where credit is due... by butterflysrage · · Score: 5, Interesting

    they were NOT "floating around in his head", the first three SW movies were ripped nearly line for line out of Norse myth (minus the space travel). Luke, Leia, Aniken, the emperor, Tatooine.... he didn't even bother to change their names. "Skywalker" is a direct translation of their Old Norse surname.

    Credit where credit is due... 4, 5 and 6 were Norse. 1, 2 and 3 were what you get when you see what is his original work.

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    1. Re:credit where credit is due... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lucas' borrowing was still better than Quentin Tarantino's, though. At least it wasn't immediately transparent, where with Tarantino's films I generally just play "where did he copy this from" during the whole movie, then go rent the actual original films instead of paying a bit of attention to his.

      Lemme guess, and then you got to Kill Bill and wondered where he copied Uma's yellow motorcycle suit from, and went to watch Game of Death allegedly starring Bruce Lee and realized you'd taken an unexpected and dramatic dive down the quality scale. "Did George Lucas direct this?!" you wondered. "How could anyone disgrace Bruce's memory like this!"

      Or maybe that was just me. :)

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  21. That's a big stretch for copyright. by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's a big stretch for copyright.

    Copyright doesn't cover functional parts of objects. A D-battery sized cylinder with a light source at one end predates anything Lucas has done. The exterior detail doesn't match any Lucas product. Lucas doesn't have a design patent, and if he did, it would have expired years ago. Lucas would lose this in court.

    The Wicked Lasers device is probably just a prototype, though. They admit they're getting those Nichia NDB7352 1 watt laser diodes by disassembling video projectors. If the product was in production, they'd be buying them in bulk from Nichia.

  22. Good as in effective, not morally good by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

    The same sense Han meant when he used the phrase "good blaster".

    And in the sense of "does the dirty business for which it was created well", there are most certainly good lawyers, and you want one by your side. Probably in preference to a blaster. After all, a good blaster may be helpful in a firefight, but is typically unwise to use in a courtroom. While a good lawyer is very helpful in a courtroom, and can be used as a shield during a firefight.

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  23. Dunno, actually... by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dunno if I'd even give him credit for basically inventing the lightsaber, though. It's been one of those ideas that has floated around for at least one millennium, in one form or another.

    E.g., King Arthur's sword Excalibur is said in various legends to be so bright that you can't (or can only with difficulty) look at it, and in at least one it consists or is covered in two jets of bright flame coming from the two chimaera heads on the hilt. It also can slice right through steel.

    Other flaming swords or swords made of flame date as far back as Genesis (God placed one at the entrance to Eden after kicking those two buggers out), or one that shines like the sun is supposed to be wielded by Surtr (leader of the Muspelheim fire giants) in the battle of Ragnarok in Norse mythology. In fact Surtr's sword is arguably even more interesting as it isn't described as flaming or made of fire, but as a sword which shines brighter as the sun.

    And while not exactly contemporary with the old Norse, there are paintings from _long_ before Lucas which represent Surtr wielding basically a lightsaber. E.g., "The Giant with the Flaming Sword" by John Charles Dollman from 1909.

    Or there's the sword Tyrfing, again norse, forged by the dwarves to shine like the sun and cleave through steel or stone like through cloth. (The only catch was that it _had_ to kill someone each time it was drawn, if all else fails, even its wielder.)

    And while not necessarily flaming, great heroes carrying awesome swords with supernatural abilities in battle is basically as old as we have a history. The Celts have the likes of Caladbolg which cleaves hills and leaves a rainbow arc when swung (weapon swing arc effects in computer games, anyown?;)), Caesar had the Crocea Mors, etc.

    Really, I liked the original trilogy and all, and I'm not trying to minimize Lucas's role on the whole. But crediting lightsabers as his invention, is a bit like crediting Disney with inventing mermaids ;)

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  24. Re:age by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah I agree. Many of Harrison Ford's Han Solo lines were more "Han Solo"ish than the original lines by George Lucas.

    Sometimes a little humility goes a long way. Sometimes the other person is actually right.

    But no, when I watched Phantom Menace it seemed like the actors had just read their lines for the second or third time, and George says "OK that's enough, let's go make more dresses for Amidala", and the actors and everyone else just went "Yes Sir!", rather than: "Uh George, we have to do that again, that sucked".

    Seeing it was just like seeing someone do the first or second round of his presentation ( some nice graphics, but blah). It usually takes a fair number of goes till the presenter says "forget the slide, let me tell you a story"...

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