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Germany Takes Legal Steps Against Facebook

crimeandpunishment writes "Not only are Germany and Facebook not friends, they might end up opponents in a courtroom. Germany has begun legal action over privacy. A German data protection official accuses Facebook of illegally saving personal data of people who don't use the site and haven't given permission to access their private information. Germany, which has also launched an investigation into Google over its Street View mapping program, has some of the strictest privacy laws in the world."

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  1. Re:From TFA by SquarePixel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not when it is per individual.

    It's kind of weird that Germany and Europe are now the safeguards of our privacy. On the other hand, they understand the reasons for that because of history. It seems like every other country in the world let big corporations like Google and Facebook do whatever they want.

  2. Considering the data-collection craze... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you think how eager the German government is to collect, filter, file and dissect data passing through the internet pipes, the whole deal feels a bit hollow and like a publicity stunt more than actual concern of their citizens private information. I'd prefer Google and Facebook doing it. I can still NOT give them my data if I so please. It's a bit harder with a Government that badgers ISPs to install sniffing bridges for something not much different from a (warrantless) wire tapping.

    Or they just want to eliminate any competition in the field of selling German people's private data, dunno...

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    1. Re:Considering the data-collection craze... by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fact that the government does something wrong does not make it right for companies to do it. The excuse "But he did it first" is pretty much kindergarten-policy to me.

      So I do like what that government is doing against Google and Facebook and I don't like what it does itself. I am not rooting for or against companies/governments. I root for privacy.

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  3. Re:From TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not when it is per individual.

    It's kind of weird that Germany and Europe are now the safeguards of our privacy. On the other hand, they understand the reasons for that because of history. It seems like every other country in the world let big corporations like Google and Facebook do whatever they want.

    You are right...except that it wasn't the corporations that destroyed Europe twice in a century. These laws protect the privacy of individuals from corporations and other individuals, but they do nothing to protect the privacy of the individual from the government (the real problem). These laws will do nothing if nationalism surges in Europe again.

  4. Re:From TFA by xtracto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, they are the safeguards of OUR privacy. If you live in a degenerate country and your government care more about corporations than taxpayers, then you are screwed (you are welcomed to move to Europe... that is what I did :))

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  5. Only if they stop by aepervius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they continue breaking privacy law, the fine will continue, and increase.

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    1. Re:Only if they stop by MeNeXT · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What gives Germany jurisdiction, anyway? Could FaceBook just move a few of their servers?

      Holding information on it's citizens, that's what gives Germany jurisdiction.

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  6. Re:Admirable privacy laws by Dr.+Hok · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's fairly crazy to me. If it's legal to keep and store data in paper records without a license, I see no reason why a computer should be treated differently - it's just a more efficient way of doing the same thing.

    There is a big difference. You said it yourself: Efficiency is the answer. As an example, consider a criminal who looks for potential victims to blackmail. Let's say he has access to huge unrelated data sets about people who work in high government positions or have access to lots of money, who have an alcohol problem, or a money problem, or little children, or a police record of certain nasty habits.

    It would take forever to correlate these data sets if they were on paper. OTOH, in a computer DB it'd take you a few lines of SQL and a few seconds to find your victims. Of course, this example is totally made up, but you might be able to map it to a more realistic scenario.

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  7. Re:From TFA by agnosticnixie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The corporations bankrolled both world wars and the rise of fascism.

  8. Re:From TFA by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least according to our history textbooks, the increasing poverty after the great depression, the very failure of corporations, was a big factor in the rise of fascism. Lots of poor people willing to support anyone for empty promises.

    Look at how Saddam or AlQuaida buy the support of the local population by building a few schools and hospitals. If you have the chance to get your kids pneumonia treated in a hospital, you probably wouldn't care much about civil liberties.

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