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What Nokia Must Do To Stay Relevant In Mobile

snydeq writes "Mikael Ricknäs reports how Nokia can turn around its three-year slide in the mobile market — one that has transformed the company's iconic N95 into a distant memory given the pace of innovation at Apple and around Android. Completely underestimating the impact of the iPhone, Nokia took too long to realize that Symbian's lack of touch capabilities would hinder its ability to compete in the smartphone market. Moreover, the company's move to open source the OS has significantly slowed down Symbian's development, according to analysts, leaving Nokia with both a lack of support from other vendors and a platform on which competitors can keep a close eye. Meanwhile, developer interest in Nokia's Ovi app store is nearly nonexistent. 'Nokia's problems are still fixable but the window is closing. I am not optimistic that they will be fixed in 2010 because there isn't much time left; if they aren't fixed in 2011, Nokia will be in big trouble.'"

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  1. Did the author completely overlook,,, by JesseL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... the N900?

    As far as I'm concerned the only thing Nokia is missing is a better marketing campaign for their product that compares very favorably with the Apple and Android offerings.

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    1. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I know what they overlooked...

      N Gage 4.0

      Seriously you guys, it'll work this time.

    2. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by SquarePixel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nokia has a significant market share in mobile world. Not just the toys. Apple only has one product line while Nokia has many, many different phones suited for quite much everyone, and is generally looked up to in the business world (as is HTC too). Not everyone cares about buying some simple games from the app store, you know.

      I think the story would be better worded as "What Nokia Must Do To Compete With Apple", as they already sure as hell know what to do in the mobile world.

    3. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by MrEricSir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One good product in a sea of mediocrity ones does not make a good company. Just look at Sony's product catalog and see what I mean.

      Why can't the companies focus on making one or two really GREAT products?

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    4. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by migla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I hope the (soon to become) MeeGo line will be relevant. I want linux on my phone and I mean close to a desktop GNU/Linux distribution, not like Android that might as well have some other kernel for all I care (almost). Android isn't Linux in the overloaded sense we sloppy humans have come use the name.

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    5. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Correction: "What Nokia Must Do To Compete With Apple and Android in US Smartphones"

      For non-smartphones especially around the world, both Apple and Android do not have much of a presence compared to Nokia

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    6. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by JesseL · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess you missed the first sentence of the article.

      Nokia still sells more phones than Samsung, LG, and Research in Motion (RIM) put together, but its inability to produce high-margin, high-end smartphones that can compete head to head with Apple's iPhone and Google Android-based smartphones is causing it major problems.

      Companies that want to make money and stay is business tend to have diverse product lines, catering to multiple niches and price points.

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    7. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The N900 is cool, but something of a niche product, and the only one of its kind. It's not for those of us who would consider Maemo but not the 181 grams. The iPhone seems to have aimed for a sweet spot between pocket friendliness and usability, and Android comes in just about every form factor if you have other priorities. Nokia is in trouble if the N900 is the only competitive smartphone they sell.

    8. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny you mention that b/c my old ngage actually worked w/ the car bluetooth system on my BMW while the newer e61 would never connect. Motor Razr worked just fine, G1, Nexus One also worked just fine. So Nokia needs to do a better job of support bluetooth, and release patches for the bluetooth stack.

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    9. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One only needs to look at price to see why the N900 never caught on. People don't care that its unlocked too much, what they -do- care about is that a price of $650 was something that no one wants to pay for a phone. $100? People would have bought it. $200? People still might have bought it, $650 not subsidized? The average person doesn't want to pay that much for a phone.

      When the average person sees that they can get an iPhone for $200, a BlackBerry for $100, an Android device for $100, a palm device for $100, a Windows Mobile device for $50 or the N900 for $650, people aren't going to buy it. People don't care that it is cheaper because you can use cheaper plans than the iPhone allows, they see an outrageous initial price and won't buy it.

      In all honesty, the only people who buy their phones unsubsidized are geeks like you and me. The average person will never pay $650 outright for a phone.

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    10. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by DrunkenPenguin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      N900? What makes N900 hardware so special compared to other smartphones out there? Please, go ahead and enlighten us on this. You also wrote: "As far as I'm concerned the only thing Nokia is missing is a better marketing campaign for their product that compares very favorably with the Apple and Android offerings." Wait a second - compares very favorably? Would you please tell us how. I'm not seeing it. I think N900 is another major flop, but maybe that's only because I happen to live in Finland. Perhaps N900 has been a major success story somewhere else. Please tell me more.

    11. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by unix1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They just can't get their act straight.

      Apple came out with the iPhone and followed down the same path with respect to both customers and developers.

      Google introduced Android and their efforts are just as consistent.

      Nokia, on the other hand, bought Symbian which at the time was mostly a feature phone OS, introduced Maemo which used GTK, then acquired Trolltech which was Qt, then ported Qt to Maemo and dropped GTK, then started porting Qt to next version of Symbian, then dropped Maemo and started work on Meego. Now, what next? There are too many moving parts, and too much uncertainty, at least as far as "smartphones" are concerned. Are there politics going on inside the company? If so, someone has to take charge and make some tough technical decisions.

      I personally like Qt and find it easy to program with and I hope they use that as their tool in their future phones and tablets; but, in general, Nokia needs to find a clear direction and stick to it.

    12. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by SquarePixel · · Score: 4, Informative

      One only needs to look at price to see why the N900 never caught on. People don't care that its unlocked too much, what they -do- care about is that a price of $650 was something that no one wants to pay for a phone. $100? People would have bought it. $200? People still might have bought it, $650 not subsidized? The average person doesn't want to pay that much for a phone.

      That's only because US has got used to telco's cheating that way. Everywhere else in the world a person buys a phone and then gets (a much cheaper) separate contract for it. It was only a few years ago that the operators started offering the US-style subsidized plans, and they always end up costing a lot more.

    13. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by migla · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not the hardware, it's the GNU/Linux software. And just because it doesn't succeed doesn't mean it isn't the best available from the perspectives of people who'd like a GNU/Linux computer in their pocket.

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    14. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by Microlith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple came out with the iPhone and followed down the same path with respect to both customers and developers.

      With the caveat of being the only vendor for the platform, which is extremely tightly controlled.

      Google introduced Android and their efforts are just as consistent.

      Which speaks nothing to the hardware manufacturers, whom are abandoning handsets left and right and leaving it up to the community to forge ahead.

      Nokia, on the other hand, bought Symbian which at the time was mostly a feature phone OS

      OK

      introduced Maemo which used GTK

      Maemo was introduced back in 2005. The N900 was its first appearance on anything resembling a phone.

      then ported Qt to Maemo and dropped GTK, then started porting Qt to next version of Symbian, then dropped Maemo and started work on Meego.

      No. The Qt port to the N900 is an officially supported port present in the base install (as of PR1.2) as a compatibility layer with MeeGo. The base Maemo UI and interfaces are still done with GTK. Maemo is still alive, and will get one more iteration through this sort of "MeeGo-Harmattan" hybrid that will be on Nokia's next handset, with the following devices transitioning to MeeGo fully.

      Now, what next?

      Qt. If you're an application developer, just think Qt and use the Qt development tools. Cross compilers for multiple architectures and target OSes are all included.

      Are there politics going on inside the company? If so, someone has to take charge and make some tough technical decisions.

      Undoubtedly, my suspicion is that the N900 was a skunk-works power play to light a fire under everyone else's asses, and I believe MeeGo and the Qt transition is the result.

    15. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      What makes N900 hardware so special compared to other smartphones out there?

      What makes the hardware so special, is that it runs better software. As good as the iPhone looks on paper, it still, after all these years, doesn't even have the capability to run a "hello world" python script.

    16. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nokia, on the other hand, bought Symbian which at the time was mostly a feature phone OS

      Symbian OS has never been a feature phone OS. It was originally a PDA OS (Under the name Epoc 32), and became a smartphone OS round about 1999 when it was used for the Nokia 9110. None of the phones Nokia has released with SYmbian have been feature phones, they are all smartphones. Nokia's feature phones are Series 30 and Series 40, neither of which are Symbian.

    17. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by davros-too · · Score: 2, Insightful
      spot on - I nearly bought an N900. If I had I would be seriously pissed off. Maemo is very rough and when I was considering buying the N900 I assumed Nokia would continue to improve it. Instead Maemo has been abandoned. Is Nokia going to stick with meego? Or will it finally push symbian forward? Who knows...

      Vanjoki also addressed recent reports that Nokia would use MeeGo on all future members of the N series. The N8 will be Nokia's only Symbian 3-based smartphone, says Vanjoki. However, a Symbian 4-based N series is a very strong possibility, he says.

      Why would anyone buy an N8 - obviously going to be another orphan.

      Until Nokia actually chooses between symbian and meego as their smartphone platform, I expect that neither will prosper.

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    18. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, they are a dinosaur on the brink of extinction. They are the buggy whip maker laughing at car sales in 1890. There are already android phones that will be given away at no direct cost with a contract. Their cost will come down, and fill all of those niches where nokia is today.

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    19. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In Britain, they used to do it the US way, and still do to an extent, but you can now get much cheaper SIM only plans.

    20. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by DrunkenPenguin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Traditionally >90% of the finnish people have been using Nokia phones, but this is changing now very, very rapidly. Nokia is seen as a "lamers choice" in Finland at the moment and the youth + older people are buying Android phones and iPhones more and more every day. Nokia is seen as a loser here in Finland at the moment. Well - let's face it - Nokia is a loser! 70% market value drop in recent 2-3 years - that's just something that's hard to believe, but unfortunately it is true.

    21. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by cduffy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Undoubtedly, my suspicion is that the N900 was a skunk-works power play to light a fire under everyone else's asses, and I believe MeeGo and the Qt transition is the result.

      If I recall the story correctly, the precursor to the N900 was very much a skunkworks project, and built at a point when Nokia was contractually prohibited from selling a phone running Linux; the N900 was thus a relatively small step that was easy to take once that contractual prohibition was no longer in place.

    22. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by DrunkenPenguin · · Score: 2, Informative

      You wrote: "It's not the hardware, it's the GNU/Linux software. And just because it doesn't succeed doesn't mean it isn't the best available from the perspectives of people who'd like a GNU/Linux computer in their pocket.". Do you really believe GNU/Linux software will bring Nokia back to top? I don't think so. I've been using Linux since 1998 and I love Linux, but I can't come up with any more than a handful of Linux applications that I'd actually want to run on my cellphone.

    23. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by DrunkenPenguin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You wrote: "Nokia has a significant market share in mobile world." Yeah, but that's decreasing at an alarming rate! Right now Samsung has passed Nokia, the world's biggest maker of mobile phones, in shipments of low-end handsets to Western Europe in the first quarter. This is very, very alarming news to Nokia supporters. Nokia has been strong in that area, but is losing now basically everywhere.

    24. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by munky99999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My n900 is badass but ya they never advertised it. If it wasnt for slashdot i most likely never had heard of it. The one thing that bothers me. Nokia doesnt seem to be apart of the community at all. They seem to have released the n900 and said go wild, while walking away. They also seem to be walking away from maemo, leaving n900 in the dust.

    25. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by dbIII · · Score: 3, Informative

      When I go to the app manager on my N900 there are hundreds of applications there that I can just download without paying anyone anything. Add more than the nokia repositry and there are thousands more. That is what the Linux software (I doubt if there is much actual gnu stuff) brings to the platform.
      Think of just about anything, and there is a free app which is a very small download for that. I don't know if that will sell any more N900 phones but it certainly impresses those that have them.
      The multitasking alone leaves the iPhone for dead (ask an iPhone user about alarm apps and how they don't work), as does the ability to switch between virtual screens.
      The device itself is an expensive bit of hardware with a lot of memory, high pixel density touchscreen etc, but that sort of environment (Maemo or Meego) has a lot of potential on future devices with lower end specs.

    26. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well new to iphone4 was a front facing camera 900 had last year. New to iphone4 and android phones is video out which 900 did last year also. Opengl es support and the graphics processor to run it is a huge bonus over iphone4 and android. Wireless sync 900 had last year. Slide cover for the camera 900 has dont think iphone4 or any android phone has. Then there is the application memory space which destroys both iphone4 and android phones. Standard Linux platform huge bonus. Multi task up to 32 applications at the same time. Native sip support. Customability all droids look the same all iPhones look the same I have only played with 5 n900's and each looked unique.

      I don't care that the phone is almost a year old. My wife, daughter, and me all would rather buy the n900 then get any of the available android phones or the iphone4. We all have dumb phones currently because None of us are thrilled about apple products, was disappointed by the blacberrys released over the past year, don't like the win mobile platform, and were waiting for the android platform to mature more.

      The merge between memo and moblin was the only reason why we didn't get n900's as I wanted to see how support went after that. Now we are all either getting the n900 successor or the n900 depending on what nokia does with the successor. Even planning on having to get them unsubsidized.

    27. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Go on then - in what way is the hardware crappy? I would be interested to know while my N900 still has a high resale value and can still sell it if it really is crappy. Convince me.

    28. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by autophile · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hope the (soon to become) MeeGo line will be relevant.

      Readers should not confuse this with, in order of increasing danger, the LG Migo, which "is perfect for your kid's first phone," the Bhutanese Migo, which is "known by the Nepalese and Tibetans as the Yeti, and to the Chinese and Soviets as the Alma," or the Lovecraft Mi-Go, which "are large, pinkish, fungoid, crustacean-like entities the size of a man with a 'convoluted ellipsoid' composed of pyramided, fleshy rings and covered in antennae where a head would normally be."

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    29. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by forkazoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know if you've noticed this, but the capabilities of technology tend to filter done the price scale rather quickly. 2010's $500 device is 2012's $100 device is 2014's "get two free when you switch to our network" device. It won't be long before just about every phone for sale is a smart phone.

      By one standard, almost every phone sold today already is a smart phone. Somewhere along the line, a funny thing happened, and "Smartphone" got redefined to only refer to the highest end phones available at the moment, with what would have been a smartphone the year before now being called something like a "Featurephone."

      There will always be some sort of market for high end $500+ devices, but as you point out, it'll just get harder and harder to justify spending that much on a mobile device when the lesser, cheaper models can do so much.

    30. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by forkazoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nokia, on the other hand, bought Symbian which at the time was mostly a feature phone OS, introduced Maemo which used GTK, then acquired Trolltech which was Qt, then ported Qt to Maemo and dropped GTK, then started porting Qt to next version of Symbian, then dropped Maemo and started work on Meego. Now, what next?

      You are over thinking it. The issue of GTK vs. Qt on Maemo is just like on Desktop Linux. App developer can use whichever they want, and most users won't be able to tell the difference. It's like on Windows with Win32 API vs. MFC. The users never cared, and Win32 wasn't "dropped" when MS was pushing MFC. If you want, you can write raw Xlib calls for Maemo.

      As for dropping Maemo, and working on Meego, the two are so similar that it won't matter to most people. The only significant change is that devs will need to package with .rpm's instead of .deb's. They can continue to use either Qt or GTK, or raw Xlib, or WX or whatever they want for writing apps. Qt is, and continues to be, an API with excellent cross platform support, so you can naturally write an app using Qt and make it work on Windows, OS-X, desktop Linux, Maemo, Meego, Symbian, Android (slightly inconvenient since you would need a small Java loader to execute the native Qt app, but that's not a big deal. The android port is admittedly still very immature.)

    31. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For non-smartphones especially around the world, both Apple and Android do not have much of a presence compared to Nokia

      The problem is that Apple/Android/Blackberry are cherry picking the most profitable customers. Apple and RIM would be delighted to sell nothing but higher-end phones forever, leaving the low-end, low-margin phones to Nokia and friends.

      For companies who target marketshare and the low end like Dell, the last 10 years have been sort of murderous on the stockholders. Nokia's has been awful as well.

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    32. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by kangsterizer · · Score: 4, Informative

      in the rest of the world buying your phone subsidized actually end up costing you slightly more. on the other hand, carrier subscriptions are extremely cheap "phoneless".

      For example I pay 1EUR/month (thats 12EUR/year) for unlimited 3.5G, unlimited calling on the same carrier and land lines (theres a fee to other mobile carriers, and international of course).

      The same one with a 2-300EUR iphone4 cost smth like 30 to 45eur per month during 12 to 24 month which is more expensive, locked during 6month (after 6month u can unlock and you want to change carrier you've to pay the rest of the phone;. slightly more in fact, once again).

      In this case buying unsubsidized is actually better.

    33. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      I know what they overlooked...

      N Gage 4.0

      I used to have an N Gage model train set. It rocked, with smoke coming out of the engine and working lights and everything.

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    34. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by nightfire-unique · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You took the words out of my mouth.

      If Nokia put together a team of 500 to focus exclusively on Maemo (not this Meego junk they're moving to), they could obsolete all other phone OSes within a year. Frankly, all Maemo needs is a reskin (too dark), better priority and swap management, X enhancements (smoother transitions), a simplified SDK for Windows users, and advertisement. The apps will come, especially since so many are potentially available as a direct port.

      The n900 is the best technology thing I've ever owned... it would be a tragic loss if they abandoned it.

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    35. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by cynyr · · Score: 2, Informative

      and my free nokia phone[1] is rather smart already. It has 2g internet access, a music player, a video player, a clock, a stop watch, a note taking app, a calendar, uses uSD cards, has bluetooth 2.X, it's smaller and lighter than a iphone as well. It does pretty much everything i want, except control MPD on my server so i can change the music in the house from it. Would i like a iphone 4, sure something like it anyways, or even it, running andriod. I must admit the iphone 4 looks decent from a hardware perspective.

      [1]http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_5310-2087.php

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    36. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by davester666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, that makes for a stable, reliable, generally low-margin company.

      Apple, on the other hand, [even with a more diverse range of products than ever], seems to actively search out markets that are poorly served by their existing suppliers [for example, the mp3 and 'smartphone' markets], and product high-end, high-margin products that are easy for the non-technical consumer to purchase and use. The iPod [with iTunes], iPhone and iPad were all high-risk propositions [they all redefined their market, and the competition all began to chase what Apple was doing after they entered the market [which is like skating to where the opposing player is at now to try to get the puck from him, and not even where the guy is skating to at that moment].

      Even with so-called overpriced, underpowered range of computers, they are killing the competition by only selling high-value, high-profit margin computers, and not bothering to kill their margins and their brand by making a $200 netbook for the floor salesman to begin upselling a customer from.

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    37. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by Powerbear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Companies that want make money, make money.

      At the end of 2009:

      Nokia made $1.1B total with a 35% mobile phone market share
      Apple made $1.6B on just the iphone with a 2.5% mobile phone market share

      http://techcrunch.com/2009/11/11/while-rivals-jockey-for-market-share-apple-bathes-in-profits/

      What's the better business to be in again?

    38. Re:Did the author completely overlook,,, by vlueboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know if you've noticed this, but the capabilities of technology tend to filter done the price scale rather quickly. 2010's $500 device is 2012's $100 device is 2014's "get two free when you switch to our network" device. It won't be long before just about every phone for sale is a smart phone.

      Pricewise, I beg to differ. The first android phone is barely 2 years old. Apparently it's impossible to find after its price was slashed in half last year to $99 (with a contract). Very few models get to become venerable AND remain in circulation like the Motorolla Rzr. Meaning, we rarely see tried models for cheap prices on the streets. Even when the inevitable good phone arrives, companies realize that phasing them out is good to maintain high profit margins. Exhibit A: the yearly iPhone rehash.

  2. For me .. by Elgonn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For me all they have to do to stay relevant is release an up to date E90 running Maemo/MeeGo. Apparently that physical phone layout isn't going to ever come back.

  3. Release to Carriers by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've heard that Nokia is big in Europe, but at least here in the USA its hard to get a Symbian phone or any Nokia phone save for dumb-phones. What Nokia really needs to do is create a really high-end phone, make it be multi-carrier and release it for all carriers subsidized in the US. Phones like the N900 are nice, but since you can't get them subsidized, it really harms adoption rates. In the US people expect their cell phones to appear to only cost nothing to $50 for a dumb-phone and $100-200 for a smartphone. Paying $650 for a phone is something that few people will do, if it was $200 subsidized, people would pick it up because at the time, the N900 was a really nice phone, but no one wants to pay $650 for it.

    Nokia needs to get their act together by flooding the market with their phones. Heck, even abandon Symbian for a while and create Android phones, really, despite how much Nokia seems to love Symbian, it kinda fails when compared to Android, iOS and even WebOS.

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  4. Open phones by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If well is not fully open (the actual cellphone part is somewhat closed source) the N900 could had started a trend of open, very flexible phones, you can even find alternative kernels where you can over/underclock them for special uses. It is still an impressive phone, but is lacking mindshare. It could have got more developers attention, but they didnt put their weight supporting that phone.

    Now they are going for Meego, still having closed components, and the question is for how much they will give to it attention or how soon they will forget about that platform too. They should be more open on them, letting developers fully take advantage of that hardware (i.e. there is an Android port for it, but the cellphone part don't work because being one of the closed components), and see how far it could get... if the phone gets wildly popular because its flexibility, maybe they won't sell so much associated services if what most run is not tied with them, but for sure they will sell a lot of hardware.

    1. Re:Open phones by Microlith · · Score: 2, Informative

      Now they are going for Meego, still having closed components

      The core of MeeGo will be fully functional, with closed platform-specific bits pushed to the fringes. Hardware support is essential, and at this point the necessary bits are available to device owners.

      They should be more open on them, letting developers fully take advantage of that hardware

      They can't. Bits like the 3D driver are held by a 3rd party that is very much not willing to go open with their sources. Sorta like Nvidia. This is, not coincidentally, why MeeGo's support for Intel graphics drivers is so good.

      the cellphone part don't work because being one of the closed components

      Within the next few months Ofono will be able to make calls with the N900, without any closed bits.

  5. Re:Favorably? by mickwd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's the equivalent of saying a fully-fledged mobile Linux computer (with a really nice front-end) is nothing but a nice browser, while the other platforms do so much more...

  6. Itemization by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When the average person sees that they can get an iPhone for $200, a BlackBerry for $100, an Android device for $100, a palm device for $100, a Windows Mobile device for $50 or the N900 for $650

    This is true only because the U.S. cell phone market doesn't itemize the phone subsidy on the monthly bill. T-Mobile is the first U.S. nationwide carrier to introduce SIM-only plans that cost less than plans that include a phone.

  7. OOH! OOH! I Know the Answer! by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 2, Funny

    What Nokia must do to stay relevant in mobile?

    TIME TRAVEL!

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  8. Re:Favorably? by migla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not going to argue with you, because you're right.

    I'd just like to point out that marketshare isn't awesomeness.

    In the marketplace, fartapps and other apps are the thing nowadays, sure, but come on, the N900 is basically a debian computer in your pocket that can also (often) make phonecalls.

    Sadly, awesomeness doesn't equal marketshare either, of course.

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  9. Ah, Galen Gruman by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Informative

    We had a ill-informed article by Galen Gruman just yesterday. And here's another.

    Nokia took too long to realize that Symbian's lack of touch capabilities would hinder its ability to compete in the smartphone market.

    Symbian OS has ALWAYS had touch capabilities. It was originally released on a PDA called the Psion Series 5 under the name Epoc 32. That was a device with both a touch screen and a full qwerty keyboard. Touch was absolutely central to it. In all the smartphones Symbian OS has been released for, the OS itself still has touch central to the UI code. In the case of Sony-Ericsson, they released phones that used those touch capabilities. Nokia always chose not to. To release phones without touch screens. It was always Nokia's decision, never anything to do with the OS not being able to do it.

    How can you take a tech author seriously when he makes false accusations based on a complete lack of knowledge of the facts?

  10. why bother? by yyxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nokia makes great hardware, but they obviously have problems putting together a good UI or development platform. They are unlikely to come up with something better than Android, Chrome, or iOS.

    So what Nokia should do is ship Android and build whatever software and hardware innovations they want on top of that. I think Nokia Android phones would be spectacular. Symbian^4? Sorry, not interested.

    1. Re:why bother? by kangsterizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      they're too much ego for this i think

  11. management at fault by dnaumov · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I hold Nokia stock

    What Nokia needs to do is replace it's top management. Unless some drastical measures are announced within the next 2 weeks (Q2 report coming up), the stockholders are going to be demanding that too (just look at Nokia stock trend over the past 8 years, it's really not particularly pretty). The problem is the arrogance and incompetence of the long-time top company officials like Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo (the CEO). Nokia's current situation is very similar to Ericsson a decade ago. They had a very strong market position, but grew arrogant and slow, while the market churn kept on speeding up.

    1. Re:management at fault by dnaumov · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To expand a bit.

      Nokia is betting the house on Meego. Big time. By announcing that Symbian will no longer be the OS choice for their top-end smartphones in the future, Nokia has essentially cannibilized the sales of their upcoming flagship - the Nokia N8. The N8 is actually a very decent device and it's going to be competitively priced, but they have not only failed to gain any major mindshare for it so far via very lackluster pre-launch marketing, they have now essentially buried it by announcing that Symbian is now officially a low-to-mid phone system.

  12. Re:Favorably? by Pax681 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You wrote: "The only fix for Nokia now is to go Android, then the fact they make nice hardware means something again.". Nokia has been well known for making good quality phones, but this is not the reality any more. Hasn't been for past 2-3 years. Flagship product N97 had so many flaws you can not even list them here. Do a google search. N900's hardware has been a nightmare! Just browse talk.maemo.org and you will see why if you are not aware already. Nokia phones used to be good quality phones some 2-3 years ago, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case any more.

    i have said it before and i'll say it again

    the N900 is a sweet smartphone.. i LOVE mine.

    Nokia were VERY up front when they released it saying that maemo was "stage 4 of 5" and that it wasn't a phone that was for everyone. it was very much a niche of a niche phone.

    the ovi store to be quite frank ISN'T where you get yer apps.. you get them direct to your phone from repositories. these can be accessed simply by adding them to your phone settings

    check here for the settings

    also you will find that maemo on the N900 is soon to undergo a change in that it will be going MeeGo - in a sense.

    it's still going to have the debian based maemo under the bonnet and then the Meego UI.

    Full on MeeGo is Fedora under the bonnet

    how many of the people currently slagging off the N900 have actually had hands on experience with it? not too many i would hazard a guess

  13. Not exactly by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's the equivalent of saying a fully-fledged mobile Linux computer (with a really nice front-end) is nothing but a nice browser,

    That depends on what you mean my mobile. A great strength of Linux is the ton of free software around - but much of it targeting X-Windows.

    How much can run on that mobile platform? Software that is not meant for mobile devices doesn't really work for users.

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  14. The Ovi store is a clusterfuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article mentions lack of developer interest in Nokia's Ovi store, which is failing because there aren't very many users on it. This is because using the Ovi store requires surfing the web, cumbersome authentication, no downloading of free apps without a login, bad search, and other user interface fuckups. It's slow, it's cumbersome, it's confusing and it's not even used by Nokia. Handset integration is nonexistent.

    Until the Ovi store works as simply as the Android store (ie. gets integrated with their handsets), most users won't bother with it.
    And since no users bother with it, no developers will, either.

    There are big bucks to be made elsewhere, and they don't require deep knowledge of Symbian landmines to develop for.

  15. Re:Favorably? by wintermute000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah but that misses the point entirely.

    N900 is a sweet phone but a niche phone as you have pointed out yourself. Its missing many features present in the top end droid/iphone software. Simple things like double tap to fully justify a column of text in a webpage, and with Froyo the one big standout - the browser - is left in the dust.

    For example my friend has a n900, he is a linux dev so for him its awesome.

    I run a fedora server @ home and have tinkered with linux for years, but no coding beyond basic scripting, and for me the 'openness' of the n900 doesn't mean much as I can't code for it and make it do all the crazy things you see people hack it into. Sure I can copy/paste other people's efforts but would that compensate for not having all the stuff I'm now used to in Android 2.2 (even 2.1)? not a chance.

    As for the repos, its nowhere close to even the android app shop let alone the apple one. For most people, once the basic phone bit is acceptable (and it pretty much is, left handed fruit aside lol) its all about the apps. I don't know if you have much experience with the iphone or high end droid phones but my friend made the same point, 'there are apps in repos'. I let him play around with my N1 for a bit and he was flabbergasted with the amount of apps/functionality available, and that's just android, let alone the insanely big iphone apps market.

    So the n900 is a great tech demo, great hackers tool for linux devs, but it ain't exactly worth a ---- in the fight for the smartphone market. Now they're going meego, you wanna bet how many issues there will be with version 1? Meanwhile droid will move up to version 3 and iphone keeps getting more polish, power (lockdown and anti apple backlash too lol). Every minute a polished software/hardware combo is not on the market they are losing.

    As for asia/europe, sure there are lots of nokias around and it is still one of the best options for non-smartphones, but for the high end, nobody wants a nokia, they ALL want an iphone or android. There is NO buzz around nokia at all.

  16. Re:Probably the best thing they could do is licens by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Informative

    What is this "exact same Android phone" you speak of? I spent the last few weeks investigating upgrades to our phones in this household, and the one thing I can safely say is that the Android phones were a pretty diverse lot, size, camera, keyboard or lack of it, processing power, screen quality, camera quality, camera capabilities, styles, and, oh, prices too. The MyTouch Slide we eventually went for even has significant changes to the look and feel of the operating system, not just in terms of (somewhat unnecessary) T-Mobile crap, but also in terms of a revamped voice control interface (which is crap, but that's another story.)

    If Nokia wants to make an Android phone and wants to distinguish it from other Android phones, they'd certainly not have a problem in doing so. There's also no reason whatsoever for them to build an iOS phone: all they'd be doing is creating a closed, proprietary, system when they could produce something just as capable and user friendly with an open architecture. Why waste money licensing iOS because of minor UI differences, when it's perfectly within your abilities to make changes to, say, Android or Maemo, that'll change the UI to whatever you want it to be?

    I don't necessarily propose Nokia do Android, not because it's a bad choice, but because choice is good, and it'd be nice to see a mobile operator that once-upon-a-time was renowned for its style, come up with an alternative to webOS and Android, but suggesting iOS? Really? We don't need more iPhones. Nokia's problem is that both of its operating systems, Symbian and Maemo, have the same issues as iOS, not that they're not like iOS enough.

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  17. Western-centered view by drolli · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes. Nokia has some problem competing with the iphone. Is this bad? maybe. But what Nokia need to focus on is the markets where they are strong and where Apple cant compete. Look at Indonesia, China or other places where you can not sell iphones costing $500-$1000. What Nokia need to do is keep their dominance in these markets stable, and when processing power become cheap enough (you just have to wait) to push a major revision into new models sold in 100s of millions per year, then they can make the change. Anything up to then serve either a very specific market (people who used Nokia for the last 10 Years) or are plainly test devices for Nokia.

  18. The N900 is a class of it's own by Casandro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The N900 doesn't even try to compete with Apple and Android offerings, it's essentially a desktop computer in a small case. It essentially runs a flavour of Debian. (yes, you do have apt-get on those devices)

    Now the next step would be to encourage more mobile phone vendors to do the same.

  19. Re:Favorably? by SpazmodeusG · · Score: 3, Informative

    "things like double tap to fully justify a column of text in a webpage"
    That's a very specific thing to be complaining about. I'm not even sure what you are getting at. Double tapping on the n900s browser zooms out the page (to the equivalent of being a 1280 width screen i believe). Double tapping again zooms in on that region. It's very intuitive and quick.
    It's not what you're describing but it seems to achieve the same goal; Web pages are easily viewable on the n900. You can also install n900 versions of Firefox, Chromium or Opera if you don't like the default browser on the n900. So i don't see what you are getting at here.

    As for the app store it's really just a repository, don't use the OVI store browser as that's redundant, use the App manager to browse for apps. You click app manager on the phone and you get a list of programs available from the repositories (including the commercial OVI store repository). Mame, SNES and Megadrive emulators, OpenSSH, ftpd, all the tux games, programs to turn you phone into a wireless access point, VOIP apps, all the major linux apps etc. are all downloadable from these official repositories. The n900's a full Linux system and the huge number of apps for the n900 reflects this.
    I don't understand how you think there aren't many apps available. All i can think is that the official developer and extras repositories weren't added to the app manager and you browsed nothing more than the OVI store. Nokia open their phones so that there isn't one source of apps for the device, make sure you add the other well known sources. Note that's also why you never here about how Nokia killed app X for their phone. They aren't Apple. They couldn't stop a competing source of apps for their phones even if they wanted to and the OVI store is a small part of the ecosystem.

    Here's some extra sources for n900 apps. Click these on your phone to add them to the App manager. The first link, the extras, is especially important as it's official and has a huge list of great apps with seemingly all the major linux apps represented. The rest i've linked here are a bit more specific and some are for beta version applications. But even if you just add the extras repository you should be giving the Android a run for it's money in the amount and quality of the applications available.
    http://repository.maemo.org/extras/
    http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/
    http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/
    http://my-maemo.com/repository/
    ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile
    http://www.amsn-project.net/maemo
    http://b-man.xceleo.org/repo/maemo-nintendo-emulators/
    http://qole.org/repository

  20. Don't try to be the iPhone by J-1000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No matter what they do, Nokia will not out-iPhone the iPhone. They aren't Apple and they shouldn't try to be. What they are is *European* and they should use that to their advantage. They should become the Swatch of cell phones and start selling phones based on a combination of simplicity, price, and wild looks. Fashion trends change rapidly, and nothing is stopping the large (for a phone) iPhone from being supplanted as a fashion accessory.