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Leaving a Comment? That'll Be 99 Cents, and Your Name

netbuzz writes "Anxious to lift a ban on comments brought about by incessant trolling and anonymous slander, a Massachusetts newspaper has begun requiring two things of online readers who want to leave their thoughts on stories: a one-time fee of 99 cents and a willingness to use their real names. Says the publisher: 'This is a necessary step, in my opinion, if The Attleboro (MA) Sun Chronicle is going to continue to provide a forum for comments on our websites.'"

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  1. hello! by knappe+duivel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    posting here is still free

  2. Dept of Troll Prevention.... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slashdot has for a long time had a way of filtering the trolls out, why can't a newspaper have their own scheme to do so?

    1. Re:Dept of Troll Prevention.... by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Slashdot's system relies on its huge popularity.

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    2. Re:Dept of Troll Prevention.... by cyber0ne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Slashdot doesn't filter them out very effectively, it's forever plagued by them. What it does have is ways for knowledgeable users (it's entire userbase) to reduce the noise and bring out the signal, all the while knowing full well what trolls are and how to ignore them. A local newspaper has a much smaller and much less savvy audience and needs to actually filter it out somehow, which can be exceedingly difficult if even possible at all.

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    3. Re:Dept of Troll Prevention.... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, "troll" is in the eye of the beholder. Slashdot's system enforces a monoculture of thought as restrictive as any I have seen on the internet. Now maybe that what people want and it's moderately democratic in the way it is done, but to claim it's a bastion of free speech and acceptance of varying opinions and perspective is a huge misrepresentation.

    4. Re:Dept of Troll Prevention.... by SleazyRidr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Slashdot's moderation system is terrible! The only thing worse is every other system out there.

    5. Re:Dept of Troll Prevention.... by natehoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Slashdot's moderation system is basically a meritocracy, or if you prefer to think of it this way, a syncophantocracy. Anyone who says a lot of things that the existing mods want to hear gets karma points and is then allowed to mod, eventually. If your viewpoints don't line up with the herd and you can't express them with a certain level of politeness, you're screwed.

      But, overall, the system only sucks in that it's only marginally better than anything else out there. It's imperfect, but it relies on collective intelligence or ignorance as opposed to being the viewpoint of a small band of people. Still highly imperfect, but less imperfect than any other system I've heard of.

      Sure, there are abusive mods, and there are bad moderations, but the bad moderations tend to be fixed over time, and the bad moderators tend to fail metamoderation and remove themselves from the moderation gene pool.

      It still means that if you post an anti-(insert viewpoint here) and get a bunch of pro-(insert viewpoint here) moderators on your case, your post will be machine-gunned into oblivion soon. But, by and large, so will their moderator points.

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    6. Re:Dept of Troll Prevention.... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Getting downmodded (or upmodded) due to disagreement with the groupthink is typical when your comment is itself purely emotional, or, if factual, does not provide any proof for that. Basically, if you say "Linux sucks", you will be downmodded, and a large number of those downmods will be the "disagree" mods, but is it really a big issue?

      But if your claims are factual, the overall tone of the post polite, and you back your points with references, you are much more likely to be upmodded even when advocating opinions that are unpopular here.

      The real problem with the moderation system isn't with unreasonable downmods, IMO. It's with unreasonable "+1000" upmods. For example, in any RIAA story, you can post something along the lines of "RIAA can go suck my dick!" in response to some post detailing the abuses, and get heaps of Insightful mods. More generally, for any topic on which /. has a strong group opinion (Linux & OSS, SCO, MS, religion & creationism etc), purely emotional or unsubstantiated FUDish posts that go along with that opinion are upmodded just as fast as those that go against that opinion are downmodded.

      I suspect the reason for this is the existence of "Insightful" mod, because it is really bordering on "+1 agree" by definition, and many people seem to use it pretty much that way.

  3. Re:Irony by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except that you never had free speech rights on someone else's website?

  4. Re:Irony by Mashhaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The first amendment to the constitution doesn't obligate a newspaper to print any anonymous inane bullshit one may send in. I don't see how this is much different, paywall aside.

  5. Re:Irony by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one

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  6. Re:Good Idea by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Requiring real names is a great idea.

    Whether or not it's a "great idea" it's the newspaper's right as a private business to require whatever they want for someone to post comments on the site. It might not be the best way to encourage comments, but if you look at the comment section of the Washington Post or other newspaper, there is so much spam and garbage that there ought to be a requirement of real name.

    Also, a one-time membership fee of 99 cents does not seem unreasonable for a city's daily newspaper. Or maybe just allow subscribers to comment.

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  7. Re:Good Idea by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The 99 cent fee sounds like 1. An excuse to charge the credit card presented as ID, 2. A way to make back the credit card fees and cost of having a person review the transaction.

  8. I'm partially in favor by dustin_0099 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't want future employers googling me for my political views, so I want to use a pseudonym, but I'd be happy to give them my full name to activate the account.

  9. Re:Good Idea by Macrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually spammers don't mind paying small fees to spam forums as their credit card info is stolen anyway.

  10. Re:Good Idea by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can understand an occasional AC post. When you know the group-think is going to smack you down as a troll and you think it's right and you want your opinion at least heard. Also, as you said when it's work related it's nice to be Anon. People should have the opportunity to be anonymous I think, you/we just don't have to value it as much as people that back their POVs with their names (or pseudonyms). That's the genuis I believe in /.'s system. Posters with names automatically are modded up a bit, while Anons still have a tenuous chance at being modded Insightful. No other boards that I'm aware of with mods have that, and I greatly value it... Certainly, with semi-professional mods that simply smack people down that disagree with them. That's why again, the meta-mod system on /. is a great equilibrator... Just my 2c

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  11. Re:Irony by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they are willing to pay to troll, then they are welcome on my blog. I'd kick them off, and then they can pay to spew again. It's easy money, and if it is consistent, then it would be better than ad revenue.

  12. I was gonna flame you, but... by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...you have a point. I mean, our paper has always been very strict about verifying the identity of writers of letters to the editor. So what's the difference? Google. No employer is going to sift through thousands of newspapers to see if you wrote any LTE's they don't approve of. But googling? Oh heck yes, in a heartbeat.

    I still agree with the newspapers on this, but it sucks that some people will be--justifiably--afraid to speak up.

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  13. Re:Irony by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This isn't a debate on the economy, but put simply the problem is too few people *willing to contribute* because they have a salary expectation that cannot be met by currently available jobs. If underemployment benefits were stronger than unemployment benefits (meaning you could earn more by taking a low wage job and collecting benefits than by taking no job and collecting benefits) our overall productivity might start to recover. As it is the only thing keeping 10%+ of the country "contributing" is that they get to spend the government's money...

  14. Re:Irony by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or... we have too few employees willing to hire, because they have a (low) salary expectation that cannot be met by the available candidates to do their job.

    Now hiring C# Developers, minimum 5 years of experience in C# development and project management, with deep understanding of C# sockets, multi-threaded programming, remoting, COM object interoperability, Firefox and Internet Explorer extension development, must have college degree, MCSD certification, and MCSE certification. $8/hour. Paid vacation and increase in pay available after 3 years of employment.