OpenSUSE 11.3 Is Here

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Posted by timothy on Thursday July 15, 2010 @07:19AM from the lovely-little-lizard dept.

lukehashj writes "The openSUSE Project is pleased to announce the release of the latest incarnation of openSUSE, with support for 32-bit and 64-bit systems. OpenSUSE 11.3 is packed with new features and updates including SpiderOak to sync your files across the Internet for free, Rosegarden for free editing of your audio files, improved indexing with Tracker, and updates to Mozilla Firefox, and Thunderbird."

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suse is... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 07:32 · Score: -1, Troll

suse is the retarded fat kid of linux distros
1. Re:suse is... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 07:34 · Score: 0
  
  True. It's only a little better than Windows Seven, for 100% less cost.
2. Re:suse is... by blai · 2010-07-15 07:52 · Score: 1
  
  how did you get 100%?
  
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3. Re:suse is... by Enderandrew · 2010-07-15 07:54 · Score: 1
  
  Take the cost of Windows. Reduce it by 100% and you get free, which is the price of openSUSE.
  Math is hard.
  
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4. Re:suse is... by markdavis · 2010-07-15 08:34 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  And had Novell not gotten in bed with Microsoft, I might even consider SuSE. However, they did, and thus SuSE was completely removed from my radar (and most everyone else in our Linux User's Group. Now it is Mandriva, Fedora, and Ubuntu.
5. Re:suse is... by Enderandrew · 2010-07-15 08:45 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  I understand those sentiments. However, as a Linux advocate, I want Linux to grow and succeed. Part of that means that people need migration paths from Microsoft solutions to Linux solutions. Novell seems to be the one company working on interoperability and migration paths to help people.
  In striking the patent deal, it helps protect Novell as they work on Samba, Mono, etc. which in turn open the door for enterprise environments to integrate Linux in a Windows envrionment.
  Not to mention, since openSUSE is free (as in beer) you're not financially supporting Novell. If you don't donate or contribute back, you're actually adding to their financial burdern.
  openSUSE is also community driven, so you're really spiting the community more than Novell.
  
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6. Re:suse is... by ddubbleya · 2010-07-15 08:57 · Score: 1
  
  Owned. Great points Andrew. I for one think that openSUSE is a great distro. I took a Linux class where we learned Linux and ran on it. I do love my Ubuntu for every day use but it is a great distro and Novell has some muscle to keep pushing Linux forward.
7. Re:suse is... by markdavis · 2010-07-15 09:13 · Score: 1
  
  I appreciate your informative and enlightened response (I wish there were more like you on Slashdot). Do believe me when I say that the SuSE distro is a good one, and I, too, want to see everything Linux grow and succeed. I also think that the goal of furthering MS-Linux interactivity is a good one.
  However, I am a very, very long term Unix and Linux users and advocate and monitor things like this pretty closely and didn't like what I saw or the outcome. I do believe that when Novell entered into that patent arrangement with Microsoft, it sent a chilling effect through the Linux/FOSS environment and caused some real damage. For that, I find it hard to "forgive" Novell. To me, it negated a lot of the good things that Novell (and through proximity, the SuSE community) had done. Support of SuSE, even if not monetary, still supports Novell's products and services (through mind share).
  They could have handled it better. They could have done things differently. I think they should have. I know not everyone agrees with me, but that is OK :)
8. Re:suse is... by Enderandrew · 2010-07-15 09:18 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  I'm worried that Microsoft could try to claim that it proves Linux as-is infringes on Microsoft patents. However, does Microsoft really want a lengthy SCO-type trial?
  Linus has said he's pretty sure there is prior art for anything Microsoft would try to claim.
  In the end, it infused Novell with cash (which they needed) and gave Novell security that they wouldn't be sued.
  Personally, I don't think Microsoft really can start a massive patent war against Linux on the whole because the EU has already twice dropped massive fines on them, and said if they didn't work on interoperability (which I think led to the Novell deal) the EU would ban the sale of Microsoft products in the EU.
  Microsoft's hands are somewhat tied here. They can try a little FUD every now and then, but they can't do much damage.
  
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9. Re:suse is... by commodore64_love · 2010-07-15 09:25 · Score: 0, Offtopic
  
  >>>Novell seems to be the one company working on interoperability and migration paths to help people.
  Hello.
  SUSE might be the greatest OS ever made, but I want to take a moment to plug the new Lightweight Ubuntu (lubuntu) Linux. I installed it on my old Windows 98 laptop with just 160 megabytes RAM (32 internal + 160 expansion), and it works great. It has the power of the latest 2010 Linux OS, but without the unnecessary bloat of xubuntu or Gnome ubuntu.
  Canonical also provides the backing & migration path that Microsoft or Mac users (me) are looking for. IMHO if we want Linux to succeed we really should focus our efforts behind whichever version we consider the best, rather than running-off in a bunch of different directions (which looks confusing to the Newbie standing on the outside & looking in).
  
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10. Re:suse is... by commodore64_love · 2010-07-15 09:28 · Score: 1
  
  [correction]
  32 internal + [128] expansion for 160 total. I used to have a 256 RAM expansion in this machine which made Win98 run like a rocket, but one day it just stopped working. Annoying. :-|
  
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11. Re:suse is... by Enderandrew · 2010-07-15 09:36 · Score: 1, Interesting
  
  openSUSE also has a lightweight version with the LXDE desktop, and an XFCE desktop.
  DSL can run Linux with 32 megs of memory.
  My point about migration is migrating your workflow processes and data.
  If you're files are in Microsoft Office format, and your Linux distro can't open them, then you can't really switch to Linux without losing your data.
  Novell is the one pushing the most with integrating with existing Microsoft products to allow people to take their data with them, or work alongside Windows boxes.
  Mono also provides a .NET alternative in Linux, so you can take your .NET apps and run them in Linux.
  
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12. Re:suse is... by luther349 · 2010-07-15 10:09 · Score: 1
  
  its no mater now the patent deal with suse expired and they never renewed it. manly due to m$ doing nothing to help suse. the deal was ment to let suse use Microsoft stuff with them helping make suse apps it never happond just took there money and didnt give a thing back.
13. Re:suse is... by luther349 · 2010-07-15 10:20 · Score: 1
  
  i don't think mono can just run a windows compile .net app lol. but it does make it easy to port .net apps over to linux.
14. Re:suse is... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 12:37 · Score: 1, Interesting
  
  Used to like suse, it was once my favorite, now I only use it because I have to. My biggest gripe: they think it's okay to replace 'standard' commands with their own -that don't behave the same or are just a redirect to yast. gpasswd has a -a, and no matter how broken you think grub-install is, you DON'T FUCKING RENAME SHIT THAT DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU. Rename your own whiz-bang tool and let it compete on its own merits. bastards.
  My second biggest gripe is yast itself. It's great if you ONLY EVER use yast to do anything -you have to restrict yourself the (quite) narrow use case the suse devs are able to imagine. And that's really the crux of the problem with suse, just like Windows, if they didn't think of it already it's going to be unnecessarily difficult to do in suse.
15. Re:suse is... by rec9140 · 2010-07-15 14:26 · Score: 0
  
  SUSE was ONCE a GREAT DISTRO.
  novell and miguel mono disease boi RUNIED IT!
  Then add that deal with the devil, and thats it!
  when the novel and miguel go and they remove all the crap from them, call me.
  I am not interested in their plan on intergrating things. If I wanted tainted and more encumberance from crap I would continue to be hoodwinked by ms.
  There plenty of paths of migration that do NOT involve dragging along all the BAD BAGGAGE from the w world to your new Linux life.
  Server realm is already 100% LINUX. Start to finish. We don't do anything with w based servers, nothing. We never have, and never will.
  The only area that still has a foothold in the w world is the desktop and that is changing, slowly, but changing. The first round of laptops go out next week with LINUX. Nope, no choices to return to something else. Those who are getting these have been told they are the first converts, they can either get with the program or look for employment elsewhere
  I am want Linux to grow too, but the path novel and disease boi have is not the kind of growth or support we want or need!
  Flash: New iPhone4 upgrade released on Friday see it here first....
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16. Re:suse is... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 18:32 · Score: 0
  
  I understand those sentiments. However, as a Linux advocate, I want Linux to grow and succeed. Part of that means that people need migration paths from Microsoft solutions to Linux solutions.
  Wow, your comment is a flashback from 2002!
17. Re:suse is... by nicknamesarefunny · 2010-07-15 22:48 · Score: -1, Flamebait
  
  And was this the only reason you gave up on SuSE?
  Grow up.
18. Re:suse is... by markdavis · 2010-07-15 23:42 · Score: 1
  
  >And was this the only reason you gave up on SuSE? Grow up.
  "Tom was married to Sally for 5 years. But one day Sally got strange and stabbed Tom. Tom left Sally. And that was the only reason he gave up on Sally? Grow up"
19. Re:suse is... by nicknamesarefunny · 2010-07-16 01:39 · Score: 0
  
  Nice analogy.
  So this 'Tom' was err..married to SuSE and when somehow this guy 'Microsoft' became a friend of SuSE, so it was like 'stabbing' 'Tom' in the back. So he now bitches about SuSE in forums claiming she was unfaithful...hmmm....
  No seriously, grow up.
20. Re:suse is... by houghi · 2010-07-16 04:48 · Score: 1
  
  SuSE is from my radar as well. It doesn't even exist anymore. There is SUSE (SLES and SLED) and openSUSE. SuSE is an old name, just as S.u.S.E. was. Just like Mandrake had a name change, so did SuSE.
  It is also a pity that you are led by hatred for a company. Why not just check it out to see what the "competition" is doing?
  
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21. Re:suse is... by houghi · 2010-07-16 04:51 · Score: 1
  
  The wordt that could happen is that Microsoft gives code to Novell. You can bet that Novell will want that recieved as OSS. I already can see the trial.
  Microsft: They have our source code
  Judge: Who gave that to them?
  Microsoft: We did.
  Judge: Under what licence?
  Microsoft: Uh, Open Source, but it is ours.
  Jusdge: Case dismissed
  
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22. Re:suse is... by commodore64_love · 2010-07-16 04:59 · Score: 1
  
  >>>DSL can run Linux with 32 megs of memory.
  Ditto Puppy Linux but they both suffer the same flaw - not well supported (at least that's my experience). With the 96 megabyte Lightweight Ubuntu you have a lot of software to choose from and onlinehelp backing you up.
  
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23. Re:suse is... by commodore64_love · 2010-07-16 05:01 · Score: 1
  
  >>>SUSE might be the greatest OS ever made, but I want to take a moment to plug
  I just suddenly realized I sound like Kanye West. "Taylor Swift congrats on your award, but I want to take a moment to plug my girl Beyonce'!"
  
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24. Re:suse is... by Enderandrew · 2010-07-16 06:40 · Score: 1
  
  If they release it open source, it is open source. It doesn't matter who has a copyright on it. No one can touch you then.
  But that isn't how the Microsoft/Novell deal is working. They have a signed patent agreement protecting both companies from law suits. MS can't sue them over those patents, period.
  On top of that, the Mono and Moonlight team are not only releasing GPL code, they own the copyright to the code.
  Microsoft is providing technical specifications, but Novell is doing all their own coding so they own it 100%.
  
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25. Re:suse is... by markdavis · 2010-07-16 11:03 · Score: 1
  
  I don't care what you call it, it is the Linux distro bought/led/created/supported/owned/associated with/whatever by Novell. I don't see anything wrong with disliking what a company does and no longer wanting to support it. In fact, it is pretty normal consumer behavior. I never said the word "hate", by the way. I simply said they are no longer on my radar (nor most of the people I know that use Linux).
Wow by Captain+Splendid · 2010-07-15 07:32 · Score: 0, Offtopic

Story's been up for almost 15 minutes and no comments. Is linux dying?

Just kidding. Suse rocks.

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1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 08:36 · Score: 0
  
  This is the first time BitTorrent indicated it would take more than a year to download.
2. Re:Wow by vlueboy · 2010-07-15 09:01 · Score: 1
  
  This is the first time BitTorrent indicated it would take more than a year to download.
  Just in time for my torrent of OpenSuSe 11.4!
  *ducks*
Does anyone.... by jomast · 2010-07-15 07:32 · Score: 1

Does anyone actually use OpenSUSE anymore? For an all purpose Linux distro, Ubuntu and Fedora seem to have the market cornered. (speaking non-commercially that is)

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1. Re:Does anyone.... by Rydia · 2010-07-15 07:38 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  I use openSuSE, as do most of the people I know. It doesn't have the warm fuzzies that people seem to get off Fedora and it doesn't have the nerd chic/new hotness feeling that Ubuntu has (which many, many others have had before, I might add), but it is a very well-maintained and established distro with probably the best configuration/installation (yast is very nice) of the lot, and has benefited from closeness to both the GNOME and KDE projects.
  It's a nice distro.
2. Re:Does anyone.... by jodosh · 2010-07-15 07:41 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  I for one do (and it is still in the top 5 on distrowatch). YaST is a wonderful tool if you have never used it. One place to edit just about every config file and deal with system admin is very useful. Also their integration with KDE is by far the best of all the distros I have tried in a long time.
3. Re:Does anyone.... by Captain+Splendid · 2010-07-15 07:46 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, runs my web/fileserver, and does a great job. The windows equivalent (in my case, Windows XP), needs to be rebooted once a day at this point.
  
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4. Re:Does anyone.... by grommit · 2010-07-15 07:47 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, quite a few people use OpenSUSE. It's one of the few distros with a decent KDE implementation out of the box.
5. Re:Does anyone.... by eldepeche · 2010-07-15 07:51 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  Meh, I couldn't get YaST to work my 2 monitors properly. Fedora works.
6. Re:Does anyone.... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 07:51 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  YaST is a wonderful tool if you have never used it.
  .. and once you have used it, it's not so wonderful? :)
7. Re:Does anyone.... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 07:52 · Score: 0
  
  well, I am very satisfied with my opensuse install. It is really a problem-free experience. Everything just works.
8. Re:Does anyone.... by Enderandrew · 2010-07-15 07:56 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  It isn't as bleeding edge as Ubuntu, but the releases aren't nearly as broken.
  openSUSE has give us Compiz, Moonlight, Office 2007 support in OpenOffice, Exchange support in Evolution, Samba, etc.
  It is my distro of choice. And I also really like that they focus on putting out both really solid KDE and Gnome desktops.
  
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9. Re:Does anyone.... by Enderandrew · 2010-07-15 07:58 · Score: 1
  
  Out of the box? Were you running the same video drivers?
  Fedora tends to be running bleeding edge snapshot builds of Xorg, Mesa, etc. lately so that might have something to do with it.
  
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10. Re:Does anyone.... by Saint+Aardvark · 2010-07-15 07:59 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  Yep; where I work (small university dep't) one of the faculty members has it on all his desktops.
  My main grumble about OpenSuSE is that, at least until 11.2 -- I'm still fuzzy on the details -- you couldn't actually do an upgrade from SuSE itself using zypper; you had to boot from the DVD and upgrade. I'm used to CentOS and Debian where this sort of thing isn't a mix of hope and prayer or a feature request.
  
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11. Re:Does anyone.... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 08:00 · Score: 0
  
  I attempted to mess with it, but finding a tool to create a bootable Live-USB stick proved challenging. Any recommendations?
12. Re:Does anyone.... by sleeping143 · 2010-07-15 08:01 · Score: 1
  
  YaST is a good enough system overall, but the software management feels like an last-minute addition. The only system I've used that's slower and more frustrating for me than openSuSE's is "Add/Remove Programs" in Windows. It just can't compete with apt or portage, on any level.
13. Re:Does anyone.... by Rydia · 2010-07-15 08:07 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  http://susestudio.com/
  Build your own image with USB as your target. The process is simple and streamlined (and they have videos).
14. Re:Does anyone.... by oatworm · 2010-07-15 08:09 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Because OpenSUSE's KDE implementation tends to be less buggy and better integrated than most, it's frequently used as a reference distro for KDE reviews. Basically, if there's a KDE function that doesn't work on OpenSUSE, it's assumed that it doesn't work anywhere, which probably isn't too far from the truth.
  
  Plus, YaST is a fairly intuitive and exhaustive system management console. It admittedly gets a little buggy when you start bumping into corner cases, but, if you're not into hand-coding your config files, it's vastly superior to dpkg-configure. Though I certainly don't begrudge anyone that's willing to wade their way through the command-line and their system's config files, it's nice to have some tools that help you go in the right direction when you need to do those one-off configuration jobs and don't require a fully functional LAMP installation (Webmin, phpMyAdmin, and so on).
15. Re:Does anyone.... by Rydia · 2010-07-15 08:09 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  The software management module is just a frontend to zypper, which works pretty much identically to apt.
16. Re:Does anyone.... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 08:14 · Score: 0
  
  Good lord, that looks useful! I need to deploy the IBM iSeries Access for Linux package, which ends up requiring all sorts of stupid libraries (libmotif). Customized distro is major win!
17. Re:Does anyone.... by jodosh · 2010-07-15 08:18 · Score: 1
  
  To go along with this, YaST package management was horrifically slow near the end of the 10.X series. With all the work done on zypper, package management has improved a ton. Their is still work to be done, but it isn't something that is too slow to use like it once was.
18. Re:Does anyone.... by the+plant+doctor · 2010-07-15 08:18 · Score: 1
  
  Yep. It's on my office mate's machine.
  I'm using Ubuntu though.
19. Re:Does anyone.... by oldspewey · 2010-07-15 08:23 · Score: 1
  
  I've found OpenSuse to install on a wider range of hardware with fewer problems to troubleshoot than Ubuntu.
  
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20. Re:Does anyone.... by Zach978 · 2010-07-15 08:29 · Score: 1
  
  Yep --- I'm a long time KDE'er and just recently gave up with kubuntu and am really liking OpenSUSE.
  
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21. Re:Does anyone.... by c6gunner · 2010-07-15 08:29 · Score: -1, Troll
  
  That's what you get for downloading files called "Swedish_beastiality_bukkake.avi.exe". Meanwhile, all the non-morons are seeing year-long uptimes on XP boxes.
22. Re:Does anyone.... by mattcsn · 2010-07-15 08:34 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  I'm a very satisfied openSUSE user. I cut my teeth on Slackware back in the day (and still run it wherever stability is really important), and was never really happy with any of the auto-everything distros until I discovered openSUSE a year ago. It has the same balance of reasonably-stable and reasonably-up-to-date that I like about Slackware, combined with a sane out-of-the-box configuration. My MSI Wind U100 netbook is currently running 11.3 right now, and I've had zero problems. If it stays that way for a few days, I'll switch my desktop machine from 11.2 to 11.3.
23. Re:Does anyone.... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 08:36 · Score: 1, Interesting
  
  If you are seriously comparing YAST and portage that proves that you are clueless beyond all hope. And FTR, yes zypper used to be horribly slow, much like yum. It has since improved and currently, you know the state we should be interested in unless someone is trolling, I'd say it's on par with apt.
24. Re:Does anyone.... by cheezegeezer · 2010-07-15 08:45 · Score: -1
  
  beats the rest of em hands down in almost all departments Ubuntu Humm do me a favour joke centeral Fedora well now just been playing with the latest thanks but no thanks now if you were to say Slackware then you may have a good point
  
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25. Re:Does anyone.... by malzfreund · 2010-07-15 08:45 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  openSUSE is def more aggressive than Ubuntu in integrating the latest packages. Just compare the kernel or gcc versions they've shipped vs Ubuntu on DistroWatch. Among the major distros, openSUSE is less bleeding edge than Fedora. But which major distro isn't? Also, iyam, openSUSE releases are buggier than Ubuntu releases. FWIW, I was a SUSE user for seven years. After I dealt with small inconveniences after every SUSE release (altough I didn't encounter any showstoppers in years), I recently made the switch to Ubuntu. I couldn't be happier.
26. Re:Does anyone.... by Daemonik · 2010-07-15 08:45 · Score: 1
  
  What is this market you're speaking of? There are lots of linux markets that Ubuntu/Fedora don't serve. SuSE and now OpenSuSE have a much larger presence in Europe. For myself I've been using SuSE for almost a decade and have always found it to be a stable, well designed distro. No other distribution focuses as much love and attention on KDE, yet manages to keep that quality for every desktop they support.
27. Re:Does anyone.... by pkbarbiedoll · 2010-07-15 08:47 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  On a non-production system I made the mistake of editing the httpd file through Yast2. Yast "helped" "fix" my conf file so that Apache would not longer work. I learned not to edit important configuration files through gui tools.
  I haven't looked at SuSE linux in almost 4 years.. SLES 9 was very stable.
  Ubuntu is on all of my workstations & laptops now, and RHEL is on the servers.
28. Re:Does anyone.... by Enderandrew · 2010-07-15 08:49 · Score: 1
  
  Ubuntu shipped Upstart first. Ubuntu shipped grub2 first. Ubuntu shipped ext4 first. Ubuntu shipped PulseAudio first.
  openSUSE has tried to let many of these bake and stabilize first. Even in this openSUSE 11.3 release, Upstart and grub2 are optional.
  The weird thing is that in the last Ubuntu LTS release, they didn't want to ship a bleeding edge Xorg release, but they wanted all the bleeding edge features, so they tried to backport them all and just broke things.
  
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29. Re:Does anyone.... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 08:50 · Score: 0
  
  YAST is easily the best installer ever created for Linux. I use Fedora, Ubuntu and openSUSE (although openSUSE 90% of the time now) and none of them are as seamless and easy to manage as openSUSE.
30. Re:Does anyone.... by forestgomp · 2010-07-15 08:51 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  So they release 11.3, and your main gripe is a missing feature that .... isn't missing as of 11.2 ?
31. Re:Does anyone.... by forestgomp · 2010-07-15 08:59 · Score: 2
  
  My favorite distro. YaST is the big difference, IMHO -- other distros have nothing like it. I've got OpenSuse 11.2 installed on my daughter's laptop (and Ubuntu on my wife's, but I much prefer the former); if my daughter can have all she needs to on it and not complain too much, they're definitely doing something right.
32. Re:Does anyone.... by ddubbleya · 2010-07-15 09:04 · Score: 1
  
  grub 2 is not something to be proud of...
33. Re:Does anyone.... by Enderandrew · 2010-07-15 09:13 · Score: 1
  
  I'm not saying Ubuntu should be proud. I'm just defending my earlier point that Ubuntu tends to live a little closer to the bleeding edge.
  malzfreund responded suggesting openSUSE is bleeding edge because they release newer versions of GCC. Ubuntu 10.04 shipped with GCC 4.4.3 in April and openSUSE 11.3 just shipped with GCC 4.5, both of which were the stable version of GCC at the time. Neither were major overhauls or big changes.
  However, Ubuntu did push major changes with PulseAudio, Grub2, Upstart, etc. In each case, there was some backlash they pushed these things a little too early.
  
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34. Re:Does anyone.... by Lord+Byron+II · 2010-07-15 09:32 · Score: 1
  
  Hmmm, that's odd. I'm running a triple head configuration across two video cards. Which drivers are you using?
35. Re:Does anyone.... by Tubal-Cain · 2010-07-15 09:33 · Score: 1
  
  I thought Fedora was first out with ext4...
36. Re:Does anyone.... by Saint+Aardvark · 2010-07-15 09:34 · Score: 1
  
  I was commenting on a feature like that being so late in showing up...but yeah, fair point.
  
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37. Re:Does anyone.... by Captain+Splendid · 2010-07-15 09:35 · Score: 1
  
  You download porn on your servers? Man, that's stupid. I use my mac desktop for that.
  
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38. Re:Does anyone.... by Obble · 2010-07-15 09:51 · Score: 1
  
  I've been waiting for this release, I use OS 11.2 as well. I have tried Ubuntu, Gentoo & Slackware but always came back to OpenSuse. (mainly because it's the CD that wasn't scratched and booted with little effort because of my old / weird sata chipset. )
39. Re:Does anyone.... by c6gunner · 2010-07-15 10:17 · Score: 0, Offtopic
  
  I think you've misread what I wrote. Try again?
40. Re:Does anyone.... by luther349 · 2010-07-15 10:25 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  i used to love suse as my distro. but the patent deal made me turn away from it. as well as much of the community. i started with redhat and loved it then it turned into garbage with fedora. so i moved to mandrake i found it to buggy. then ran suse for a long time. patent deal moved me to ubuntu and thats where i still am. debs are also alot easer to manage then rpms when it come to cleaning the system of old librarys on software you remove.
41. Re:Does anyone.... by ducomputergeek · 2010-07-15 10:37 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  We use SuSE Studio to create pre-configured linux distros of our POS application and Database Server. It's stable and works. I can't say we've had that experience with Ubuntu as Ubuntu broke stuff from 8 to 9 and then from 9 to 10 with our point of sale system. Sometimes it was hardware support that was suddenly buggy, other times it was buggy libraries causing the problem. We've never had that problem with SuSE/OpenSuSE. Plus SuSE Point of Service is the linux supported by NCR on their equipment and is supported by HP retail equipment.
  
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42. Re:Does anyone.... by ducomputergeek · 2010-07-15 10:40 · Score: 2
  
  I've found that those of us using OpenSuSE do so because it generally works and stable so we can be working on fixing other problems.
  
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43. Re:Does anyone.... by ustolemyname · 2010-07-15 10:42 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  dd if=imagename.iso of=/dev/usbdevice bs=8M
  Works on any of the live CD downloads. Needs to be done as root. usbdevice will typically be sd[a-z]. setting the block size to 8 MB just makes it go faster.
  Detailed instructions here.
44. Re:Does anyone.... by ddubbleya · 2010-07-15 10:50 · Score: 1
  
  OK glad you cleared that up. I completely agree with what you are saying. I'm just saying that for me grub 2 is a mess.
45. Re:Does anyone.... by mf5410 · 2010-07-15 10:57 · Score: 1
  
  I use it for servers desktops and laptops. In the USA, by the way. It's a great distro. It's approachable to newbies and has all of the sophisticated features you need for development or server deployment. Check out autoyast, for example ... xml driven auto machine deployment from PXE boot on up. Some other distros might get more press time, but this one's been a rock solid companion of mine for easily 10 years.
46. Re:Does anyone.... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 11:07 · Score: 0
  
  Exactly what I was going to say - it seems only fucktards use SuSE anymore, n00bs use Ubuntu and everyone else uses Fedora.
47. Re:Does anyone.... by cbhacking · 2010-07-15 11:53 · Score: 1
  
  Don't forget that Yast offers multiple different user interfaces, depending on what you're using. QT3, QT4, GTK, and ncurses (handy if you don't have X, if it's not working, or if you're on SSH). It looks and functions almost identically on each, but always feels "native" and doesn't require that you install the libraries for something you're not using.
  
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48. Re:Does anyone.... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 11:54 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  YaST sw_single is the GUI interface to ZYpp
  zypper is the command line interface to ZYpp
  And ZYpp, with its mathematically perfect dependency resolution algorithm (http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/~lerner/papers/opium.pdf) is far better than APT.
49. Re:Does anyone.... by oatworm · 2010-07-15 11:56 · Score: 1
  
  Yep - big, big fan of ncurses YaST.
50. Re:Does anyone.... by Saija · 2010-07-15 14:06 · Score: 1
  
  yeah! i was used to edit the configuration file of grub, but this sounds almost impossible to do now because i don't have the time i used to play with my pc/laptop at home
  
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51. Re:Does anyone.... by timbo234 · 2010-07-15 19:15 · Score: 1
  
  Does anyone actually use OpenSUSE anymore? For an all purpose Linux distro, Ubuntu and Fedora seem to have the market cornered.
  I used to use Mandriva but decided I wanted a distro with a more assured future (Mandriva's financial problems were worrying). Off the top of my head here's some reasons why I chose Opensuse:
  * Proper KDE support - Kubuntu was just crap when I tired it, Fedora ok but not as good as Opensuse
  * Excellent package manager and large amount of packages available - Ubuntu is on par or better here, Fedora IMHO is still not up to scratch here - yum and it's GUIs aren't nearly as good as zypper/yast and the available packages not as numerous as Ubuntu or Opensuse
  * Active community and development - both Ubuntu and Fedora have these too but either way it was a pleasant change from Mandriva which is just too small
  * YAST - neither Fedora or Ubuntu have anything equalling it. I'm a sysadmin in my day job, I don't want to have to go home and edit config files too.
  
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52. Re:Does anyone.... by timbo234 · 2010-07-15 19:17 · Score: 1
  
  I've found that those of us using OpenSuSE do so because it generally works and stable so we can be working on fixing other problems.
  +1 to that if I had modpoints. That's been pretty much my experience.
  
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53. Re:Does anyone.... by NotBorg · 2010-07-15 19:57 · Score: 1
  
  Care to cite a reference, troll? While it's probably fair to say that Ubuntu and Fedora are the two most popular distributions, it's also probably fair to say that openSUSE is within the top 5 most popular distributions and hardly irrelevant.
  Also, if popularity were the only significant metric for choosing an OS then we would all be using Windows. Although Arch and Gentoo are even farther down on the popularity chart, I think they are both very interesting choices. I certainly wouldn’t mock anyone for picking them.
  
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54. Re:Does anyone.... by houghi · 2010-07-15 21:32 · Score: 1
  
  They are now working on the ability for 11.3. Could be expected in the next two weeks (altough it culd be longer or shorter as well)
  Just for fun I have made one that included all the MPlayer and codecs stuff.
  
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55. Re:Does anyone.... by vegiVamp · 2010-07-15 23:51 · Score: 1
  
  "yast is very nice" ?
  
  My god, man, keep your masochistic tendencies out of my face.
  
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56. Re:Does anyone.... by vegiVamp · 2010-07-15 23:56 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, I agree. Yast is a wonderful tool if you have never used it.
  
  I have, however, and I've still got nightmares.
  
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57. Re:Does anyone.... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-16 02:03 · Score: 0
  
  I continually try to use yum and zypper, trying Fedora and OpenSUSE, respectively, with each new release. As a person relatively new to linux, I started out on Ubuntu, working my way from gui package manager frontends down to the cli. As a result, I've become rather accustomed to apt and its components. I understand the benefits of using yum or zypper over apt, but for whatever reason, apt just seems to work better for me. Apt is quite fast compared to the other two (maybe related to differences in C vs. python, but I'm unsure), has a search feature which is better suited to me (all the search terms are used to filter results -- they wouldn't be there if I didn't want to use them) and utilizes bash-completion in a timely manner. Furthermore, I prefer the dpkg and deb in a lot of cases, although the lack of dependency resolution when installing individual packages is a drawback. Portage and pacman are good as well, but honestly, apt seems better to me.
  Now, I don't want to start a confrontation, but what am I missing from yum and zypper? Delta packages and automatically syncing repositories are nice, but I think I'm missing something. Perhaps I don't know how to use them correctly?
58. Re:Does anyone.... by pnutjam · 2010-07-16 02:37 · Score: 1
  
  I'm the opposite, I used OpenSUSE for a long time and switched to Ubuntu because there were more packages available. However, Ubuntu had constant problems. Every how-to (for Ubuntu) assumes you are running a GUI, so it was difficult to figure things out on my headless installs. The showstopper for me was support for a second monitor, OpenSUSE supports switching monitor to projector or adding a second monitor almost seamlessly. I went back and I love OpenSUSE.
  
  I especially love that I can use the same admin tools on my headless servers as the ones I use on my workstations.
  Add in SuseStudio, and their excellent support for ltsp (not to mention kiwi), and you have something truly awesome!
  
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59. Re:Does anyone.... by pnutjam · 2010-07-16 02:43 · Score: 1
  
  yeah, zypper is great, try:
  
  sudo zypper ref
  sudo zypper up
  
  updated your system, or:
  
  sudo zypper se package
  sudo zypper in packagename
  
  that is the easiest way to find and install a package, aptitude lets you do something similar from the commandline, but apt-get does not have a decent search interface, if I recall correctly...
  
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60. Re:Does anyone.... by pnutjam · 2010-07-16 02:46 · Score: 1
  
  OpenSUSE has hardware compatability better then any other distro, I originally started using it because I could setup wireless cards with ease, now wireless is less of an issue on other distros, but OpenSUSE still rocks!
  
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61. Re:Does anyone.... by Captain+Splendid · 2010-07-16 02:48 · Score: 1
  
  That's okay, so did you. You wanna go first?
  
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62. Re:Does anyone.... by neurovish · 2010-07-16 02:50 · Score: 1
  
  YaST is a wonderful tool if you have never used it.
  .. and once you have used it, it's not so wonderful? :)
  I would agree.
  Yet Another Shitty Tool?
63. Re:Does anyone.... by neurovish · 2010-07-16 02:53 · Score: 1
  
  On a non-production system I made the mistake of editing the httpd file through Yast2. Yast "helped" "fix" my conf file so that Apache would not longer work. I learned not to edit important configuration files through gui tools.
  I haven't looked at SuSE linux in almost 4 years.. SLES 9 was very stable.
  Ubuntu is on all of my workstations & laptops now, and RHEL is on the servers.
  Same story here. You either always use the GUI, or always just edit the files like normal. If you try mixing the two, then you are asking for pain. Strangely enough, Red Hat seems to have gotten this right. If you use their gui tools, your prior config is not torpedoed.
64. Re:Does anyone.... by Darkinspiration · 2010-07-16 03:22 · Score: 1
  
  Yast is a bit assinine. On SLES 11 if you edit your network config it tend to erase your primary gateway. Still it's nice to use when you don't now how to write a config file. It make for good example. Just remember that if you edited something by hand don't use yast on that config file. And always backup your config before making any change.
65. Re:Does anyone.... by c6gunner · 2010-07-16 05:08 · Score: 0, Flamebait
  
  Sure! Here you go:
  
  The windows equivalent (in my case, Windows XP), needs to be rebooted once a day at this point.
  Now, to me, that appears to state that your windows XP computer needs to be rebooted once a day. Of course, you may have been using one of those "creative" versions of the English language, in which words mean things other than their standard dictionary definitions. If so, please do clarify. Otherwise, I'll have to once again advise you to avoid running files with names like "Swedish_beastiality_bukkake.avi.exe". Trust me - your computer will thank you.
66. Re:Does anyone.... by Captain+Splendid · 2010-07-16 05:12 · Score: 1
  
  Disappointing...
  
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67. Re:Does anyone.... by richlv · 2010-07-16 08:45 · Score: 1
  
  in my experience, doesn't work with network boot iso. quite limiting :)
  
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68. Re:Does anyone.... by cgomezr · 2010-07-16 22:20 · Score: 1
  
  I use it. Ubuntu and Fedora focus too much on gnome and have crappy KDE support. I prefer KDE and OpenSUSE is the best distro for KDE hands down.
  Plus, things like YaST really allow me to be able to focus on my own work rather than on configuring the system.
69. Re:Does anyone.... by c6gunner · 2010-07-17 01:48 · Score: -1, Troll
  
  I didn't ask about your sex life.
70. Re:Does anyone.... by Captain+Splendid · 2010-07-17 02:36 · Score: 1
  
  It took you that long to come up with that? Fail troll is failing.
  
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71. Re:Does anyone.... by c6gunner · 2010-07-17 13:14 · Score: -1, Troll
  
  lol. YOU are calling ME a troll? Congrats - this entire discussion was retarded from the get-go, and you've found the perfect way to finish it off. Pretty much exactly what I'd expect from someone who is so stupid/incompetent that he can't even get a 24 hour uptime out of a windows box.
  You take care now. Try not to swallow your tongue.
72. Re:Does anyone.... by Captain+Splendid · 2010-07-17 15:22 · Score: 1
  
  and you've found the perfect way to finish it off.
  
  I aim to please. Sadly, you had to respond and ruin it all.
  
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Top features by gmuslera · 2010-07-15 07:33 · Score: 4, Insightful

A bit, imho, far more relevant ones, are described in Top Features. Support for Btrfs, and the visual interface of Meego for netbooks, sound to me a bit more interesting, apart of the usual incremental improvement over previous versions.
What happened... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 07:34 · Score: 0

What happened to 'news for nerds'? I mean, seriously, this reads as if it was written for a complete newbie, not a nerd. Seems this way with most articles on /. these days, it's a real shame :s
1. Re:What happened... by Yvan256 · 2010-07-15 07:42 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  What is this "Linux" thing? Is that a new Apple or Microsoft product?
2. Re:What happened... by Jeng · 2010-07-15 07:50 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Well when you quit submitting quality links with great summaries this website has just gone to hell.
  Why don't you submit better stories with great summaries anymore?
  I am of course being sarcastic, but really if you want better submit better.
  
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3. Re:What happened... by Bugamn · 2010-07-15 08:33 · Score: 1
  
  It's Google's.
4. Re:What happened... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 09:02 · Score: 0
  
  The fuck? Why we have to do everything?
Took them quite a while... by IANAAC · 2010-07-15 07:37 · Score: 2, Informative

for an update compared to other distributions. Then again, Opensuse has always been super stable for my uses.
Glad to see Rosegarden gets a mention... it's great program. Spideroak... eh - at least for the free verison. Haven't played with it, but Dropbox had this covered long before Spideroak. And I can use Truecrypt with dropbox. That and the client is 75 megs. Rather large for my tastes.
I'll have to give this a try on one of my machines (currently have 11.2 installed on one).
1. Re:Took them quite a while... by Enderandrew · 2010-07-15 09:04 · Score: 1
  
  I believe openSUSE made a decision to move to an 8 month release cycle where as many other distros are doing 6 month release cycles. They feel they can pack in more features, and have plenty of time to test.
  
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2. Re:Took them quite a while... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 11:10 · Score: 0
  
  Since when does Dropbox work reliably with KDE? Does Dropbox work if you're not using Nautilus?
  If it's not Consolidated Lint, it's just fuzz.
3. Re:Took them quite a while... by Penguinclaw · 2010-07-15 12:59 · Score: 1
  
  M-Audio works out of the box with out all the shinanigans of yum remove pulseaudio or apt get remove pulseaudio... I agree OpenSUSE is stable and the distro where everything just works.... Listen up Windows users!!! I have tried the latest Fedora 13 release for two weeks. And okay it looks so gorgeous out of the box....But there are so many things that just don't work or crash (at least on my machine) and I'm not just talking Flash/ MP3 etc.... I mean the desktop! openSUSE installs with no fuss and does what it says on the box!
4. Re:Took them quite a while... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-17 12:00 · Score: 0
  
  FYI, SpiderOak started in 2007, well before Dropbox, the openSUSE package is less than 5 meg, and does native cryptography. Clients for Mac and Windows are larger because they can't rely on Python and other libraries already being available.
Yes (in Europe) by Sits · 2010-07-15 07:37 · Score: 4, Insightful

I was at a European conference a week ago and there were quite a few attendees with laptops running some version of openSUSE. A previous UK computer science department I was in also used openSUSE as its distro.
SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 07:41 · Score: 2, Insightful

Seriously, can't people who write software choose meaningful, easy-to-remember names for their programs?
How the hell is 'rosegarden' supposed to make me think about editing audio files? And that 'SpiderOak' name is a joke, right?
1. Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by IANAAC · 2010-07-15 07:49 · Score: 1
  
  How the hell is 'rosegarden' supposed to make me think about editing audio files?
  
  As an aside, Rosegarden isn't really an "audio editor" as wound commonly be thought, a la Audacity. It's a full blown music studio, including, MIDI, audio and (somewhat) basic notation. It's actually pretty decent.
2. Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by e9th · 2010-07-15 08:01 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  How is "Firefox" supposed to make you think of browsing the web?
3. Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by kent_eh · 2010-07-15 08:03 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Seriously, can't people who write software choose meaningful, easy-to-remember names for their programs?
  How the hell is 'rosegarden' supposed to make me think about editing audio files? And that 'SpiderOak' name is a joke, right?
  Y'mean like Acid, or Abelton or Pinacle or Pro Tools?
  
  Tell me that someone new to the field would have any clue what type of software those names represent?
  
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4. Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 08:19 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  It doesn't. That's why I don't use it.
5. Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by rubycodez · 2010-07-15 08:25 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  soak a fox's tail in gasoline and light it on fire. see how the fox zigzags this way and that, covering a lot of ground in an unpredictable erratic path? just like surfing the web
6. Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by e9th · 2010-07-15 08:28 · Score: 1
  
  So that's why there are so many Internet Explorer users.
7. Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 08:47 · Score: 0
  
  Just because commercial software has meaningless names doesn't mean OSS has to do the same.
8. Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by selven · 2010-07-15 10:28 · Score: 1
  
  And Slashdot. With the slashing and dotting, it sounds like an MMORPG. Well, with the achievements system and the karma system and the friends/foes system, Slashdot basically is an MMORPG.
9. Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by amRadioHed · 2010-07-15 11:43 · Score: 1
  
  There's only so many variations of "Sound Editor" or "Audio Editor" that you can chose to have a meaningful. It's not so easy coming up with a unique name for your software.
  
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10. Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-16 02:18 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah I feel your pain..
  Names like Sonar, Logic, Protools, Ableton Live or Cubase are far more logical. You can see in an instance this are music programs..
  Just as logic as "Outlook" for a mailprogam....
11. Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? by rubycodez · 2010-07-16 15:23 · Score: 1
  
  No actual foxes were harmed in the composition of the above message. Rubycodez does not advocate the immolation of any canidae for entertainment, except of course poodles.
Update in place? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 09:05 · Score: 0

Can I update V 11.2 , 11.1 in place and expect not lose what I have ?
Likely?, Yes ?, impossible?
or no?
1. Re:Update in place? by baileydau · 2010-07-15 11:24 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  Can I update V 11.2 , 11.1 in place and expect not lose what I have ?
  Likely?, Yes ?, impossible?
  or no?
  Yes you can. With 11.2 you can either do it via the updater (zypper ) or do an upgrade from the appropriate CD / DVD. I can't remember if 11.1 can do a dist upgrade via zypper or not.
  I normally just do the upgrade from DVD, and have always done so. I've never had any significant issues in the past. I normally do some testing on OpenSUSE releases and that is the thing I concentrate on, making sure that upgrades work (NB. I was a slacker this time and didn't do any testing on 11.3)
  
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2. Re:Update in place? by gpant · 2010-07-16 07:03 · Score: 1
  
  Actually it has been possible to do a dup since 10.3, but it wasnt a supported option untilll 11.2. On my main desktop I have been upgrading since 10.3 and on my laptops since 11.0.
Impossible to buy in North America by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 09:29 · Score: 0

I would have bought OpenSUSE 11.3 days ago, but when I click on the North America buy OpenSUSE link, then click on the (broken) add to cart button, I get:
"A problem was encountered when communicating with the server. Please try again."
I guess they really don't expect many orders when no one notices that the North America purchase link is broken.
1. Re:Impossible to buy in North America by russlar · 2010-07-15 10:03 · Score: 1
  
  Why are you buying a free distro?
  
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2. Re:Impossible to buy in North America by luther349 · 2010-07-15 10:15 · Score: 1
  
  when you buy a distro like suse it comes with non-oss software and pro support.not just the community irc but real phone support. so your buying the commercial softwhere part and support.
3. Re:Impossible to buy in North America by Ash-Fox · 2010-07-15 13:36 · Score: 1
  
  I guess they really don't expect many orders when no one notices that the North America purchase link is broken.
  Apple does the same thing on product releases, funny enough.
  
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4. Re:Impossible to buy in North America by timbo234 · 2010-07-15 19:21 · Score: 1
  
  Just to be clear the non-OSS software is available for free in the non-oss repository. When you buy the distro you're buying support, full stop.
  
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5. Re:Impossible to buy in North America by luther349 · 2010-07-15 20:20 · Score: 0
  
  theirs some software you have to pay for and that gets included. you can buy it sepret or part of the package when you buy the distro. i cant name it off the top of my head but thers a few out there. granted thers oss alts to it.
6. Re:Impossible to buy in North America by timbo234 · 2010-07-16 02:29 · Score: 1
  
  As I said all the software is available for free in the online repositories, the commercial stuff (java, flash etc.) is in non-oss but still available for free whether you bought the box or downloaded for free.
  You are only paying for the support and the convenience of not having to download everything using online repositories.
  (This is as far as I can tell from forum posts and info on the opensuse website, if you have other info from a reliable source please post the link.)
  
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7. Re:Impossible to buy in North America by luther349 · 2010-07-17 16:52 · Score: 1
  
  thers a few like i said and not flash or java those are not oss but free. theirs some software that is actually retail priced for linux. thers a dvd player softwhere i cant rember the name being everyone uses vlc these days. theirs a av software and some games. and in some packages suse at least used to sell would include this software.
Ubuntu is for Windows people by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 09:33 · Score: 0

"nerd chic" for Ubuntu? You've got to be kidding. Ubuntu is for Windows people who want to think they're cool. The same folks who mistakenly call "directories" as "folders", and use the term "cli" for the shell.
It's fake chic, but not nerd chic in any way.
1. Re:Ubuntu is for Windows people by Omestes · 2010-07-15 12:21 · Score: 1
  
  Oh dear, I use Ubuntu, so I'm not nearly nerdy enough! Whatever should I do?
  For the record I've used many many distros over the course of many many years and Ubuntu was the first one that didn't require directing 50% of my free time to hand-editing config files and glaring angry at man pages. Actually I think its the first distro that recognized any wifi card I've ever used, and 90% of the sound chips/cards (though still not on an old iBook). To me that is more important than being "nerdy enough".
  I don't equate doing more work that I have to with being a nerd, I associate it with being stupid.
  
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2. Re:Ubuntu is for Windows people by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 15:56 · Score: 0
  
  I equate an lack of knowledge plus inability with stupidity. What should you do? Simple button pushers should stick with Windows and quit leeching off of Open Source.
3. Re:Ubuntu is for Windows people by Omestes · 2010-07-15 16:29 · Score: 1
  
  I equate an lack of knowledge plus inability with stupidity.
  That could be true, but often it only means a lack of education or experience. When I first used a computer (much less any *nix) I lacked both knowledge and ability, it wasn't stupidity. More important is the ability and willingness to learn.
  Also, how does one leach off of open source? Its not like OSS is a limited commodity.
  
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4. Re:Ubuntu is for Windows people by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-16 03:17 · Score: 0
  
  Ubuntu is a fine distro. I'd rather have those "Windows people" using it instead of Windows.
Novell is making it easier to migrate to MS by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 10:10 · Score: 1

I love the way they take the single most important step in their tactics to undermine Linux and pretend it is intended to achieve exactly the opposite of what it is designed for.
Still, no problem. They are rapidly gaining pace as they slide down that slippery slope with Miguel steering the sled ever more frantically.
I'm impressed by CaliTinFoilHat · 2010-07-15 11:52 · Score: 1

I installed it today. The problems I see already are that the Wiki and Forums are respectively incomplete (even for 11.2) and out of date; and the ATI and NVIDIA proprietary drivers are difficult to install. On the plus side, the open source ATI drivers for my machine were installed out of the box. The ability to set up encrypted volumes was easy using the installer. The installer is also full of features and elegant. I also like the Dolphin-Superuser mode which is absent in Kubuntu. Installation of restricted multimedia codecs, dvdcss, and flash was a one-click deal. Overall I'm impressed.
1. Re:I'm impressed by gpant · 2010-07-16 07:08 · Score: 1
  
  You should visit the old WiKi, unfortunately the migration to the new wiki hasnt yet finished and major parts are missing. 11.2 has been documented fairly well in the old wiki, including older releases.
Novell has done better than the original owners by trygstad · 2010-07-15 11:52 · Score: 1

I believe Novell has been a better shepherd of this distribution than the original owners and have built a much better community. And their distro of OpenOffice.org, Go-OO, rocks--which is why it has become the default version in several other Linux distros. Honestly, I just wish they had some products that made them more money--like Netware used to--so they could go on contributing so much to the open source community. Let's face it, Samba, Mono, and Moonlight--while in many contexts being self-serving for Microsoft--really have made a serious contribution to Linux/Windows interoperability. I look forward to using the new release of openSUSE in the Linux+ class I am teaching this fall--along with Fedora and Ubuntu, of course.
too big by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-15 14:28 · Score: 0, Interesting

A whole DVD is just too large. I started it, it said 4 gigs, and four days some hours on my connection to download. I just don't think so. And before any wiseacres chime in, this is the fastest connection I can get where I live. Guess I'll pass. If they can't fit an entire distro on just a single CD, just no thanks, not even interested in trying it.
1. Re:too big by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-17 01:08 · Score: 0
  
  You know they have KDE and Gnome LiveCDs, do you?
Me too by dhammabum · 2010-07-15 15:40 · Score: 1

I'm using SLED, the paid-for version. *Every* time there is an fglrx update, SaX2 breaks the config and I can't start X. Unfortunately I'm using a Dell desktop, so I'm guessing that is the real issue. That and the ATI proprietary module.
I get around it by running aticonfig and then rebuilding the xorg.conf file by hand.

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Well Alrighty Then... by FlyingGuy · 2010-07-15 17:42 · Score: 2, Insightful

The EVIL Novell has done it again! OpenSuse which by the way is free as in $0.00 USD. Patches and updates are free as $0.00 USD. If you want Novel's SLES product, guess what it is free as well AND includes 60 days worth of updates and if you want it out farther then it costs you around $30.00 USD a month The NERVE! Those fuckers from Novel hell gaul selling support AND pushing all their changes back to the Free Version they are such bastards!
You folks need to get that stick worked out of your collective asses. Novel's rock solid support of the Linux Community is on-par with Red Hat and all the rest of them and in many ways it is better.
How many distros come with an Oracle option ready to role? Yast may not handle all the various Apache configuration strangeness the way you might like it, but if you use it as designed it works damn fine. It could have a much better Firewall config utility but they are getting there. I have installed it on many many different versions of hardware and in 99% of the cases it has just found all the parts bits and pieces and handled them quite well. I even put it on a ancient IBM Thinkpad and the only glitch was a display setting and one quick google search solved that problem.
The SLED Distro is a great desktop OS and handles prety much anything you want to throw at it and then some and does it better then most any other Distro. So all you zealots can have a tall cool glass of Shut The Fuck up. And as for giving people a reason to migrate to MS, that's funny since I just moved an entire company ( 100 Desktops ) from Windows XP to OpenSuse.

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1. Re:Well Alrighty Then... by Rydia · 2010-07-16 05:47 · Score: 1
  
  You, sir, have done more to help linux gain respect and use than any of those haters have. Bravo!
2. Re:Well Alrighty Then... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-07-20 00:37 · Score: 0
  
  Unfortunately, it doesn't work on this piece of hardware: Switchback. I tried Fedora as well and it was a no go. Guess what did work? Ubuntu.
  Now don't get me wrong, I'm a big opensuse fan, but when it didn't work on the switchback but ubuntu did, I was crushed. :(
One reason why I've burnt this on a DVD by cafelatte · 2010-07-15 17:58 · Score: 1

Is that is comes with LXDE as one of the desktop environment options. My system is taking 90mb of ram with nothing running while using LXDE. Also it comes with the virtualbox drivers and kernel modules. I can enable seamless mode in virtualbox without installing the guest additions.
Something is wrong !! by Taco+Cowboy · 2010-07-15 21:56 · Score: 1

The ISO file supposed to be over 4 GB but I got less than 200 MB !!
This is the link I got http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.3/iso/openSUSE-11.3-DVD-x86_64.iso
An alternative link also got me an ISO that is less than 200 MB
http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/opensuse/distribution/11.3/iso/openSUSE-11.3-DVD-x86_64.iso
Can someone please tell me what I have done wrong??

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It needs a fun nickname like Ubuntu releases by Artifex · 2010-07-16 02:48 · Score: 2, Funny

I know, we can call it "Bitterface," because of the experimental Btrfs support.

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Re:Does anyone use the 2nd largest distro? by lpq · 2010-07-17 11:49 · Score: 1

naw...
Just the red hat users who've jumped ship....
um...wonder how it got to be 2nd largest user base given no one is
using it...
gotta wonder who's sayin' what...