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Nokia and RIM Respond To Apple's Antenna Claims

awyeah writes "In response to Apple's press conference, where videos of a few devices were shown losing signal bars with a tight grip, RIM and Nokia have both taken shots at Apple. RIM's co-CEOs say that Apple's claims 'appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple's difficult situation.' Meanwhile, Nokia, noting that they are pioneers in antenna design and were the first company to bring to market a phone with an internal antenna, prioritizes 'antenna performance over physical design if they are ever in conflict.'"

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  1. The IPhone Cult!! by Pewpdaddy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    As always any Iphone users will vehemently deny that anything is wrong with their beloved device. Though it may be true that other phones have similar issues. I for one do not believe they are as bad as the Iphone 4. I do love the deflection though. Another funny tidbit, the Iphone 4G(eneration) is only a 3g phone. =] Some marketing there Steve-O. You get a cookie. In my personal anyone with an Iphone will call you crazy should you decide to switch to a different device. Even if it's marginally better ... cough Evo 4G. =] I do not have an Evo by the way just look at the capabilities of each. =p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

    1. Re:The IPhone Cult!! by Pewpdaddy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Many of my friends and users have dropped the iPhone to the "what?!?" "why, whats the matter with you?!?" of their fellow iPhone users. The 4G is indeed the 4th generation, 4th iteration of the phone. You are correct Apple has not tagged it with the 4G monicker. However, the 4th G(eneration) as I put it is quite convenient. Call it what you will, iPhone users typically shun any other model/device because it "isn't an iPhone". Also I apologize for the mis capitalization. I did my best with grammar, the Apple trademark can eat my shorts. =] Though it does seem to be taking over the world. See iPad. =] I'm going to go ahead and assume you have one since you are so "vehemently" defending it. Apple posted a number of Antenna Engineer positions just before the phone came out. Coincidence? I think not. And as usual you can blame the media for the 4G monicker, don't blame me for the sheeple's misconception. I'm simply giving Jobs kudos for pulling the wool over their eyes. Just like his statement that all phones have the exact same problem. Also in reference to not having one and coveting their wonderous device. I simply refuse to pay the difference. I'll happily save my 360 dollars a year. If I want to get on the internet, I have one of 3 laptops or 2 desktops to do so. A few links of the media skewing the iPhone as a 4G device. http://hubpages.com/hub/The-NEW-iPhone-4G-Coming-2010 http://www.gadgetsdna.com/10-reasons-not-to-buy-next-iphone-4g-hd/2757/

  2. Re:Video Proof by tftp · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Bullshit. I am putting my hand on that spot and NOTHING HAPPENS.

    Apple hopes that most of the iPhone 4 sucke^W users live and work in areas with great AT&T coverage. Sure, if you sit under the tower you will see no problem. Keep the phone. Then drive someplace with poorer coverage (easy to find on the AT&T network - I have an AT&T phone myself) and get zero bars. The phone is not returnable any more, so you are stuck. Unless, of course, you want to buy a redesigned iPhone 4.1, for full price, when Apple sells the entire manufacturing run of iPhone 4.0.

  3. Re:Of course they did. by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    People bought the iPhone because it was Apple and they wanted to have a stylish phone. They wanted to look marvelous.

    Keep telling yourself that, Mr. Ballmer.

  4. Re:Steve and his FUD by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    1 more dropped call per 100 calls.

    Let's say you had no phone service one day out of 100. Would that be acceptable to you?

    So Jobs says the iPhone 4 drops 1 more call per 100 than the 3GS, which was not among the cellular phones with the most reliable connections. So, does the number go from 20 to 21 out of 100? Or from 10 to 11 out of 100?

    We've had cellular phones for what, about thirty years now? My old blackberry and my friend's iPhone 4 are both on AT&T, both in the same neighborhood of the same city (Chicago). I don't remember the last time I lost a call when I wasn't driving the underground on Lower Wacker Drive. He complains about dropped calls regularly. Neither of us has a case or bumpers or black electrician's tape wrapped around our phones.

    Please tell me, what motivates a person to staunchly defend a corporation against any and all criticism?

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  5. Re:Your math has problems by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Steve said...why Steve presented...

    I'm loving the first-name basis. The lack of self-consciousness over using the first name of a CEO of a consumer electronics company that you buy stuff from is part of what makes Apple fans endearing.

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  6. Where's your hard data? by augi01 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "RIM's co-CEOs say that Apple's claims 'appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple's difficult situation.'" No. Apple is attempting to correct the public's understanding of the antenna design issue. Did you watch the press conference? If you're going to make assertoric claims I hope you have the hard data to back them up.

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  7. Re:Of course they did. by tyrione · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    During that time, RIM has avoided designs like the one Apple used in the iPhone 4 and instead has used innovative designs which reduce the risk for dropped calls, especially in areas of lower coverage.

    RIM's market are business people and others who really use their phone for calling, email, and other communications. They bought it to do a function.

    People bought the iPhone because it was Apple and they wanted to have a stylish phone. They wanted to look marvelous.

    If it wasn't the case, then why did the iPhone sell like hot cakes in markets where AT&T was known to have shitty service? Consumer Reports have been tracking that for years.

    Yes, those business people surfing their stock portfolios, touching base with their frat brothers and texting their fellow day traders have serious work to do. The average person, no matter their job spends an awful large amount of time twiddling their thumbs on all brands of smart phones.