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Vaccine Patch Removes Needle Pain

wog777 writes "Researchers led by Mark Prausnitz of Georgia Institute of Technology reported their research on microneedles in Sunday's edition of Nature Medicine. A microneedle contains needles so small you don't even feel them. Attached to a patch like a Band-Aid, the little needles barely penetrate the skin before they dissolve and release their vaccine."

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  1. There's other uses too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    A citizen needs some calibration? Don't worry, he wont even feel the needle shot!

    1. Re:There's other uses too by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It does open a few possibilities for practical jokes, though arguably not as many as the anything you can aerosolize and disperse already does...(for instance, has anybody else ever wondered what would happen if one were to crop-dust a heavily populated area with a suitably light-stabilized LSD solution? Or distributed a genetically engineered virus through the ventilation system of the DEA headquarters that spliced in the necessary DNA sequences to make those exposed capable of synthesizing endogenous THC?)

    2. Re:There's other uses too by gregrah · · Score: 5, Funny

      has anybody else ever wondered what would happen if one were to crop-dust a heavily populated area with a suitably light-stabilized LSD solution? Or distributed a genetically engineered virus through the ventilation system of the DEA headquarters that spliced in the necessary DNA sequences to make those exposed capable of synthesizing endogenous THC?

      You, sir, have just posted your way in a very exclusive database somewhere deep in the basement of the Department of Homeland security.

    3. Re:There's other uses too by Nursie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have actually, yes. Not that I have access to LSD, and the virus thing sounds somewhat fanciful, but yes.

      I also wondered what might happen if you spread a whole lot of cannabis seed over a large area and just let it grow. Unfortunately I'm told the results would be pretty useless due to the female plants only really producing when there are no males around to fertilise them.

    4. Re:There's other uses too by lxs · · Score: 2, Informative

      "capable of synthesizing endogenous THC?"

      Evolution is way ahead of you: endocannabinoids

    5. Re:There's other uses too by dangitman · · Score: 2, Funny

      for instance, has anybody else ever wondered what would happen if one were to crop-dust a heavily populated area with a suitably light-stabilized LSD solution?

      Things would get very groovy very quickly. George Clinton would be elected President. Your funk of choice would be the P-Funk.

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    6. Re:There's other uses too by Ogive17 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, but I've thought about beating the shit out of someone who tried to drug me as a prank.

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    7. Re:There's other uses too by MBCook · · Score: 2, Interesting

      for instance, has anybody else ever wondered what would happen if one were to crop-dust a heavily populated area with a suitably light-stabilized LSD solution?

      That has basically happened in France, thanks to the CIA.

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    8. Re:There's other uses too by MatthewCCNA · · Score: 2, Funny

      You, sir, have just posted your way in a very exclusive database somewhere deep in the basement of the Department of Homeland security.

      As your post contained that same data, you my find your was to the same database. Just to ensure national security I'm sure someone at DHS is recording every IP that viewed the dangerous information and is preparing a round of illegal wiretaps. Hey look a black helicopter, what's with this strange red dot?

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  2. Does it work in reverse? by XanC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can a blood sample be taken this way?

    1. Re:Does it work in reverse? by Chazerizer · · Score: 2, Informative

      No. Blood must be drawn directly from the venous system (or arterial system, depending on the goal). At that depth, there aren't even that many capillaries.

    2. Re:Does it work in reverse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unless it's administered by microneedle.

    3. Re:Does it work in reverse? by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your average red blood cell is around 10 micrometers thick. White blood cells are even bigger. This would probably make the "needles" big enough to hurt like hell - so no, it would defeat the purpose. Besides, kids are the only ones who cry when getting a blood sample taken. But they'll cry when they see a stranger coming up to them in a white lab coat anyway, needle or not.

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    4. Re:Does it work in reverse? by iCEBaLM · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can assure you sir, that it is not just kids who cry at the thought of needles piercing their skin. As one with such a phobia I hope this technology makes it into practice ASAP.

    5. Re:Does it work in reverse? by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's never nice to have someone not take your phobia seriously.

      I have absolutely no problem with needles - in fact I have locally anesthetized myself and performed minor surgery on myself (yes I am a doctor) on more than one occasion. But then again I cannot bear the sight of spiders... To each their own!

      The good side is that if you can deliver a virus (or virus fragments) this way, you can deliver pretty much anything else, too. The down side is how much will it cost versus current methods. Hypodermics are very cheap. And of course there will always be practical limits - nothing will ever replace two short large bore catheters, or a central line for that matter, in certain situations...

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    6. Re:Does it work in reverse? by Yosho · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As somebody else who has a phobia of needles, I'll chip in that I desperately wish this kind of thing could work in reverse. The number one reason why I avoid going to a doctor whenever possible is because I know they're going to want to use a needle to inject or draw something, and I'd rather just cut my hand open with a knife and let them scoop the blood up than have a needle draw blood. Seriously.

      But it would be really cool if I could at least get vaccinations through just applying a patch.

      (and I think some kinds of spiders are pretty cute)

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    7. Re:Does it work in reverse? by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well if needles are a problem and you just need routine blood work, you could probably negotiate capillary puncture with your doctor, instead of a needle. That's done with a lancet - like a mini knife - that cuts you with a spring mechanism. It happens so fast you really don't feel any pain at all. It's usually used on small children but there's no reason why it won't work on an adult. No needles involved.

      For injections, however, you're out of luck - sorry!

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    8. Re:Does it work in reverse? by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 4, Funny

      "in fact I have locally anesthetized myself and performed minor surgery on myself (yes I am a doctor)"

      I've removed splinters as well. Of course, I didn't use an anesthetic because I'm not a doctor.

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    9. Re:Does it work in reverse? by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 2, Informative

      Jet injector, aka a hypospray.

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    10. Re:Does it work in reverse? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Informative

      People who suffer from vasovagal trypanophobia fear the sight, thought, or feeling of needles or needle-like objects. The primary symptom of vasovagal trypanophobia is vasovagal syncope, or fainting due to a decrease of blood pressure.

    11. Re:Does it work in reverse? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless the blood work being done specifically precludes it for some reason, a doctor might also be open to prescribing a short-acting anxiolytic for the procedure. One of the faster benzodiazapenes, or the like.

      Not a perfect solution; but they use those against anxiety and panic disorders for a reason...

    12. Re:Does it work in reverse? by vlm · · Score: 3, Informative

      Jet Injector

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_injector

      Interestingly enough most people insist that it's based off the star trek hypospray machine, yet its actually the reverse, the hypospray is based off the jet injector.

      It's been half a century and they're still not popular. Mainly because of cleaning issues, you still have cleaning/sterilization tasks but instead of cheap mass produced hypos you have a complicated machine. But secondarily, yes indeed they do hurt like unholy hell for a couple days. I got several vaccinations from jet injectors at reception station immediately before army basic training in the early 90s. "Tough Army Dudes" will put up with the pain but I can see how children would not tolerate it.

      Also, from experience, its pretty brutal and a couple drops of "stuff" leaks back out the entrance hole. Admittedly its not a .45 caliber entrance wound here, its like the hole from a lancet. But I wonder what percentage injected leaks back out again.

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    13. Re:Does it work in reverse? by selven · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've put splinters in. Without anesthetic, because I am a warrior.

  3. Hmmmm by AndrewBC · · Score: 2, Informative

    I remember seeing an article about this idea in a popular science magazine years and years ago. Glad to see it's still around for those who hate needles.

  4. ...and pediatricians and family docs rejoice! by level_headed_midwest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Immunizations are certainly the number one reason why children between the ages of about 9 months and six years hate going to the doctor and will kick and scream and flail as soon as they see anybody come into the exam room with a stethoscope. Vaccine patches would be great, particularly if they made it look like a sticker (which are second only to popsicles in the ability to placate an irritated youngster). Now if they'd only figure out a way to make looking in the ears and mouth easier, we'd be set!

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    1. Re:...and pediatricians and family docs rejoice! by Chazerizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's really only one answer to the ears and mouth problem, which also happens to be one of my all time favorite pick-up lines: "Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

    2. Re:...and pediatricians and family docs rejoice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Putting the "sensual" back in "non-consensual" :)

  5. Genius by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is often said that true genius is coming up with the idea that makes everyone say "I could have thought of that".

    One of the problems with transdermal patches has always been one of controlling dosage. This is because the skin is only permeable to lipids, thanks to layers of keratin on the outside and the basement membrane lying inconveniently just before you get to any blood vessels. So anything that you needed to give your patient via the skin had to be fat-soluble, or it just wouldn't work. And then you have the problems of concentration gradients, skin thickness, how long you leave the patch on, and how "greasy" that person's natural skin is anyway. That makes for a lot of variables in delivery. Which means you can never be exactly sure of the dose.

    By piercing through the skin's outer layers into the dermis with a "microneedle", suddenly you've eliminated a few things: 1) You can deliver hydrophyllic substances (like certain viruses or their components, for example) and 2) you can control dosage much much more accurately because you can be sure that what you're delivering is going to make it to the bloodstream versus lying around in the epidermis and or never getting off the patch in the first place.

    I foresee that this technology will soon be used for much more than pediatric vaccine delivery and the creators will become very rich indeed. This doctor thinks it's a great idea. In fact the only problem is going to be for those allergic people - with previous patches all they would get is red skin, an itch, and maybe a localized rash. Now they risk a full blown type I allergic reaction.

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    1. Re:Genius by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Informative

      What's the point of a single-use patch?

            You have obviously never had to approach a screaming 2 year old with a needle in your hand. Besides the red face, the 120 decibels, and the snot everywhere, there's that look on the parents' faces that says "you only get one go".

            No but seriously, there are all sorts of applications outside of pediatrics. For example palliative care - terminal patients who need regular medication can just use a patch instead of trying to find someone to inject them every 6 hours or so (ever tried injecting yourself? It can be done but it's not fun - especially when you're weak and/or dying and you can't really remember if you just did it or not). Senior citizens. Diabetics. The sky is the limit. This is something new, and the full implications of this technology haven't been explored yet.

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    2. Re:Genius by EdIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You have obviously never had to approach a screaming 2 year old with a needle in your hand.

      Yeah... that and a 6'3 415lb body builder with wild eyes being held down by 6 people to have blood drawn with a needle. What I have to tell people is:

      1) Don't let me see the needle. Otherwise it's over and you might have some structural problems with the building when I "leave".
      2) Somebody needs to put their whole body weight down on my arm when you do it.

      Even then it takes every single ounce of will I have to not lose it. It's a real problem. I have to have full anesthesia to get any kind of dental work done. One time a dentist thought I was kidding and surprised me with a needle in the face. My reaction was so severe I cracked his chair backwards trying to get away from it. Damn things are expensive.

      I have a family history of diabetes on both sides. So far I have lucked out. I have a legitimate concern about the day I might be forced to use a needle. It would be hell on Earth.

      This patch could be life changing, albeit for a very small part of the population, but still life changing.

    3. Re:Genius by LastSaneMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's pathetic. Suck it up and act like an adult.

      Now, does that work for all phobias, or just the ones you don't have?

    4. Re:Genius by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Informative

      Thats an oversimplification

            Well yes, this is a slashdot post and not a doctoral thesis.

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  6. Re:Hypospray. by compro01 · · Score: 4, Informative

    We already have hyposprays. They're called jet injectors. They actually predate star trek (they were invented in 1960) and have been used for decades for vaccinations, particularly polio vaccinations in Africa. A diabetic friend of mine also uses one for his insulin.

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  7. Meh... by epp_b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let the kids suck it up. I did. It builds character.

    Now get off my lawn.

    1. Re:Meh... by Pigeon451 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Minor surgery without anesthesia also builds character. But I'd prefer local anesthesia -- to each their own.

  8. Gee, thanks. by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Funny

    So now when the kids misbehave I won't be able to threaten them with shots from the doctor. Takes the fun right out of parenting...

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    1. Re:Gee, thanks. by demonlapin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On behalf of physicians everywhere who treat kids, I'd like to advise you to go to hell for making your kids think of us as the punishment people. If you want to threaten them with pain, please threaten to do it yourself.

    2. Re:Gee, thanks. by Main+Gauche · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And here I thought this story was about patients having thin skin...

  9. lulz by WGFCrafty · · Score: 2, Funny

    Far easier to get mercury and mind control chips into your skin if you can't see the syringe. At least before you could ask to examine your vaccine with a x-ing scope of some kind, now it's HIDDEN in the bandage. HIDDEN.

    THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

  10. press releases from universities are worth what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    odd how this story about good ole american know-how resembles this press release from an australian university from April?

      http://www.uq.edu.au/news/index.html?article=21034

  11. could never completely replace the needle by metalmaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my 22 years i've been i the hospital as much as i have been at home. Docs have tried just about every medical grade adhesive for the different bandages i've needed. So far nothing works for more than an hour before some nasty skin irritation. Even OTC bandages need to come off fairly quickly. I've learned to deal with even the biggest of needles though, so its not an issue anymore. For those who are candidates for this patch some of the nastiest shots(MMR and Gardasil) can be administered pain-free. However, i wonder how wide of scope these can cover. The article(yes, i RTFA) does not mention whether this can me used to inject medications that are typically injected into muscle areas. In any case, this looks promising, but i dunno how far they will get. We will find out "in 5 years"

    1. Re:could never completely replace the needle by metalmaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That wasn't really the point, but i've got hydrocephalus. The cranial shunt does the trick most of the time, but the doctors just cannot get it right. Im in and out every few months, but the hospital is a second home.

      On with the discussion folks. Nothing more to see here.

  12. The Horror! by ceraphis · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see it now, the horror story of the future. A killer challenges you to a co-op game of Starcraft 3 and after you pwn some nubs, you high five!

    "Wait, what is this, why did you have a band aid in your hand?" *passes out*

    "The pwning has just begun, Billy Lumpkins. I'll teach you to troll the warlock forum."

  13. Some details from the article... by jnnnnn · · Score: 4, Informative

    The needles are conical, about 200m diameter by 650m long, with 10m radius of curvature at the tip. They are made from a biocompatible polymer, polyvinylpyrrolidone, and mostly dissolve after about five minutes (they are highly water-soluble). The manufacturing process can be done at 23C (using a mold), avoiding damage to sensitive biological molecules. Each patch held 3 g of vaccine.

    For comparison purposes, human hair ranges in diameter from 20-200m.

    Here's the article, with some low-res pictures even for non-subscribers.

    1. Re:Some details from the article... by jnnnnn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdot has eaten my unicode. All those "m"s should be micrometers.

    2. Re:Some details from the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess this is what happens when Americans attempt to use the metric system...

    3. Re:Some details from the article... by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Funny

      I kid you not, I was in a in Germany store about 2 months ago, there was a bunch of tourists, a couple came to a meat counter and the guy said: "I would like 100 kilograms" of some sausage. The woman at the counter looked funny at him and I intervened knowing how punctual the Germans sometimes are.

  14. Re:Hypospray. by pushing-robot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It reminds me more of the fast-acting transdermal patches that Babylon 5 was fond of.

    Oh, and: SPOILER ALERT. Sorta.

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  15. Re:Hypospray. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

    My understanding is that(at least in tropical medicine and military applications) the point isn't really that they are less painful than needles(and, even if they are, having some guy hold a big nasty-looking device up to your arm and make a pneumatic wh-thunk sound isn't calculated to give kiddo sweet dreams) its that they are much faster and more efficient and cheap.

    Because there is no needle(which is either an expensive FRU or a temptation to ill-equipped medical staff in the ass-end of nowhere to wash out and re-use until it is blunt), you can skip all the fancy western hospital one-time-use assemblies that would be impractical in the field; but avoid the cross-contamination that occurs if you share needles. Depending on the design, there might be a simple pneumatic tip that gets replaced each use; but it makes lining up an entire village somewhere and pumping them full of vaccine much more logistically feasible.

  16. Re:Is this available with caffeine!? by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's nothing a double hit, if you know what I mean.

    You mean you accidentally the decaf?

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  17. This is dangerous. (Stealth injections) by elucido · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now people will be able to inject others with toxins and it will be impossible to detect it.
    What you have is a stealth needle, this idea in my opinion is incredibly dangerous, but I guess it will be good for mercenaries because it will reduce the costs.

    There is a reason why we can feel needles.