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New Photos Show 'Devastating' Ice Loss On Everest
Simmeh writes "The BBC reports on new photos of the Himalayas taken from exactly the same position as ones from 1929 and compares the ice coverage. The Asia Society, which did the groundwork, are quoted as saying, 'If the present rate of melting continues, many of these glaciers will be severely diminished by the middle of this century.' I guess the previous claim wasn't too unrealistic."
Holocaust and AGW denialists are equally high on the nutcase ladder, the former merely have better financial support.
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Seeking desperately to do anything to deflect public attention from rigged data sets and lack of peer review, the Warmists have for some odd reason returned to their Waterloo of the Himalayas, seeking to show that in fact the glaciers will all vanish in short order (even the summary writer goes there with the link).
The pictures to me are not that convincing, given the time of year may be (and looks to be) different. Furthermore just as with most other Warmist alarm-filled propaganda, they give no hard data - they never define just what "alarming rate" really means, or give any details why the pictures show what they claim.
We know glaciers have been receding somewhat, but is this case really alarming or is it simply receding at the same rate other glaciers generally have been? Remember kids that there can still be a general warming trend WITHOUT being sure that the bulk of it is caused by man, or that the amount of warming is really enough to be that concerned about over any other normal climate shift the Earth might undergo.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Let us say, just for the sake of argument, that the AGWers are correct. What do you expect us to do? Don't say "cap and trade" because it is a scam that will kill the economy while making billionaires out of those pushing it (surprise surprise) and the cost of converting just the USA to electric cars would probably break us, if the production could even be ramped up that high. Not to mention simple logic states that cars that run on massive batteries won't last for shit in places like the south, where the heat and humidity will kill them dead quickly.
So I'd love to hear a solution other than "line the pockets of Wall street leeches and Al Gore", because I honestly haven't heard anything else from the AGW camp. The simple fact is after years of searching we simply haven't found anything with the energy density of oil, and short of wiping out a good 60% of the world's population and going back to a pre-industrial society I don't see anything on the board that will cause any real change. After all China and India will tell you where to put your cap and trade, along with the rest of the third world, and the resulting shift as what remaining businesses jump overseas to avoid cap and trade will make outsourcing look pleasant by comparison. And with 2 wars and record deficits along with high unemployment is isn't like Americans could afford cap and trade anyway, unless you want the fed to just tack it onto our already insane debt.
So unless we come up with some magical McGuffin to fix it, I really don't see it making much of a difference. We simply don't have the money or resources to change our current direction ATM, and the last thing any politician will do right now is stick thousands more on the average Joe in electric and fuel bills in an economy that is starting to smell like death. So I'd really like to hear some real solutions, because cap and trade will be about as helpful as "too big to fail" was in the long run.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
There is absolutely no global warming at all for the conservative party swears that it is so. And even our wonderful chowder headed ex president Bush declares that global warming is a fraud. Where as that nasty old liberal, Gore, has mislead us into thinking that ice is melting. Meanwhile the right wing swears that they must have absolute proof that human activity contributes to the problem or it must be a lie.
Ignorance is a profoundly deep well.
Yes, bacteria and a virus can change something as big as a man, but a man's body has the defenses to counter those changes and go on unaffected. Though, a human's body is weak and more prone to the effects of localized problems. When death occurs from bacterial or viral infections, it is from events similar to the moon crashing into the fucking earth. There is no escape or defense from such a complete and systemic failure in either event.
This planet has endured many different trials/catastrophes, yet it is still here and thriving. Now, people believe they have some "new, fresh, and exciting" intelligence and information and all they can come up with is that CO2 is the cause of environmental "problems". The same molecule that all manner of mammal(and many non-mammal) produce and that all manner of plant life consumes is causing this problem. The same fucking molecule that has existed on this plant for almost as long as the planet has existed, yet it is only a problem now. Even though we humans do not produce five percent of the CO2 that exist on this planet, we are affecting natural functions of a huge fucking planet?
This boils down to one thing: Control. There is some group of assholes that want to force their unfounded views on society and they want to control what people do in their everyday lives. What other way will effect this better than to preach that the "every-day" person is murdering the environment by traveling to their only means to survive(job) with a dull spoon(their vehicle), or using that dull spoon to travel to see my Council of Satanic Earth Murders(family). The other motivation is that there are people and groups that stand to make a great damned fortune from promoting "clean" initiatives, or "green" initiatives.
This is not some great conspiracy or something difficult to figure out. It is also not difficult why so many are unwilling to open their eyes to their own stupidity: Egos. It's ok, one day all of this horseshit will be shown to be horseshit and some new idiot, or new group of idiots, will be working to fool people into believing some new horseshit.
Wow, that is a lot of horseshit.
...is there even a discussion about “if” this is man-made...
OK, not really a discussion. Because one side would not even recognize proper logic and structure of a discussion, if 16 tons of it hit it in the head.
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Quick! Show me a shaman who would generously accept all of mine and my descendants' money, kidneys and lifelong service. Would that be enough to revert the wrath of The Great AGW Gods?
NOBODY has Himalayas in their MOTHERFUCKING back yard.
Unless he/she/it is the Sovereign Emperor Of Asia, where "All Of Asia" can be then considered "his house".
Last I checked, nobody has claimed being that for ages now.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
You mean the poor farmer in Bangladesh will experience the same hardship from sea level rise than a Miami millionaire? One loses his livelihood and the other has to move his yacht pier up 3 feet - yes, that seems about the same.
Yes, the 2.8mm/year rate of sea level rise is sure to take away the livelihood of that farmer in Bangladesh... he should start running now, or else he may never escape!!!!!
You don't realize the absurdity of your extremist appeals to emotion BECAUSE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE FACTS OF THE VERY SHIT YOUR ARE SUPPORTING.
"His name was James Damore."