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Passwords That Are Simple — and Safe (?)

TravisTR submitted a story that talks about simpler passwords. I don't think anyone disagrees that having elaborate rules with 20 char passwords requiring mixed cases and symbols and requiring them to change frequently is a pain, but I'm not sure that allowing unique but simpler passwords is a better idea.

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  1. Re:changing passwords frequently makes no sense by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Informative

    People who argue that changing passwords frequently* is a waste of time has not had to deal with the security issue of people sharing their passwords on a regular basis. On the odd occaison, the Receptionists will share passwords so they can log in on each other's computers and access each others files. As an IT team we've done our best to abstract that concept by allowing anyone to log onto any computer in the network so long as they have an account, and mapping network drives automatically based on your permissions, but suffice to say some people just don't understand that. Someone will still only save to "My Documents" or C: drive, because thats what they do at home. Anyways, if someone gets terminated, and they remember the passwords, they pose a security risk. We had this issue come up last summer where a manager knew a few people's passwords, and after being fired, was using the webmail client to snoop on emails.

    I haven't been working in this side of IT for more than 2 years and I can already see the benefit of ever-changing passwords.

    *I suppose that depends how frequently you are talking

  2. Pass Phrases by Lifyre · · Score: 5, Informative

    Stop using pass words and move on to pass phrases. They can be fairly long and still easy to remember. Increasing the number of characters does more to make something hard to crack than adding more symbols does.

    Hell a phrase like "Purple Elephants make for a rough Work Day" is much harder to crack than "1qaz@WSX3edc$RFV"

    It may make dictionary attacks more effective but it will completely destroy brute force methods. Of course the biggest issue is still social engineering so it is still a mostly moot point once you get past trivial passwords.

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  3. Re:SImple non-dictionary passwords by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Informative

    The best passwords I've used are non-dictionary but pronounceable words. The simplest way to generate one is to alternate consonants and vowels, for example 'lasopedi'. It's easy to remember because your brain can store it as a word, not as a random series of letters. You can add uppercase letters, symbols, or numbers if you want it more complex, like 'lasoPedi2!', which is still pretty easy to remember.

    The best passwords I've found are sentences translated into passwords. For example:

    My phone number is 555-234-2344 : Mp#i555-234-2344
    I live at 2202 Park Street : Il@2202PSt
    Four score and seven years ago : 4Sa7ya...
    My wife won't go down on me since we got married! : Mww'tgdomswgm!

    Whatever. You get the idea. All you have to remember is the sentence.

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  4. Re:changing passwords frequently makes no sense by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Informative

    We don't think of rotating passwords as a solution to the problem - we think of it as a countermeasure that will buy us time when issues arise.

    Regular rotation clearly doesn't buy you time (it limits the time of exposure when a certain problems occur, but doesn't buy you time.)

    What are we going to do to reprimand password sharing?

    Reprimanding is not the solution.

    The solution is:
    1) Find out what the problem is in the existing system that people are working around by sharing problems, and
    2) Address that problem in a way that removes the incentive to share passwords.

    As IT we just police

    This view is probably the source of many of your problems. As IT your mission should be marshalling technology to enable the broader organization to acheive its goals efficiently and safely, not being "just police".

    Rotating the passwords gives us the time we need that when attacks come up - we can address them properly.

    How? Regular rotation of passwords does nothing to delay the impact of an attack. Selective forced expiration of passwords in response to an identified attack may by some time, but that's very different than a regular and frequent rotation policy.

  5. This is why I lie. by KingSkippus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Last 4 digits of your credit card? If the system allows you to retry infinitely, it's a matter of try and error. 10000 attempts, tops. Trivial to do for an automated system. Last name of your teacher/Mother's maiden name? Trivial for anyone who knows you, and if you don't care for the account you want, send the most common names against as many accounts as you can get your hands on.

    I find it amusing that people answer these questions honestly. My mother's maiden name was Johnson. A lot of people who know me know this. I think that it's silly that me telling anyone this could be considered a security risk. It's probably easily found out in public records that anyone can access.

    That's why when anyone ever asks me, "For security purposes in case you lose your account information, what is your mother's maiden name?" I answer, "Brigadoon." That way if someone who knows me decides to have a good laugh on ol' Skippus and they call up some owner of an account I have and they ask, "Okay, for security purposes, what is your mother's maiden name?" and they answer, "Johnson," they will not be allowed access to whatever it was they were trying to get access to.

    I have a list of stock answers to questions such as my mother's maiden name, my high school, my favorite pet's name, my favorite sports team, etc. Most of them are related. My mother's maiden name is Brigadoon. My high school was good ol' BHS. My favorite pet was Brigadot. My favorite team is the Brigands. You get the idea.

    Of course, I've also lied about almost everything in this post. My mother's maiden name really isn't Johnson, and the name I give everyone isn't really Brigadoon, but the part about lying on those forms and using meta-passwords is true, and I highly encourage everyone else to do the same. Using actual facts or experiences that aren't so intimately personal that I wouldn't be telling anyone anyway as a security checkpoint is pretty damn stupid.