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A Windows Phone 7 For Every Microsoftie

theodp writes "So, how can Microsoft guarantee its Windows Phone 7 devices will enjoy broader adoption than the ill-fated Kin? By giving every Microsoft employee a free one, that's how. A Microsoft spokesman confirmed the move, explaining that the idea is to thank employees for all their work, and make sure that they have experience with Windows Phone 7 devices. Microsoft has nearly 90,000 employees worldwide."

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  1. Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's absolutely mind-boggling that Windows Phone 7 is missing some very fundamental features, like copy/paste, third-party multitasking, and universal search.

    Absolutely mind-boggling you say? How about absolutely doomed?

    In the past, competitors like Apple were lambasted by the public for not having such features, so you'd think Microsoft would take precautions not to repeat such mistakes.

    You don't understand, Microsoft is adept at watching Apple do something right or make progress and then totally just think that they're different and special and therefore won't suffer from those problems.

    What's worse, the rest of the smartphone world isn't slowing down, and with Windows Phone 7 not scheduled to launch till the holidays, the divide could get deeper.

    It's called releasing a phone that's already behind the curve. So, unless you have a product name that causes people to hemorrhage cash regardless of the features, you're doomed. Like the release of the Zune. Except it appears Windows Phone 7 doesn't even have an exclusive 'squirt' functionality.

    Criticisms aside, there's a lot we like about Windows Phone 7. The Zune integration is killer, and the core apps are much improved.

    Zune integration is 'killer' you say? That's going to do it, huh? Well, everybody who owns a Zune now has the option to integrate it. All five of them. And the core apps are much improved? After suffering from the ailments of IE6 you think I want any version of Internet Exploder on my goddamn mobile device? You're insane. I don't care how refined it is.

    We also commend Microsoft for being able to acknowledge that its old OS wasn't working and taking a chance on rebuilding something from the ground up.

    Really? You're telling me that Microsoft owned up to and acknowledge its old OS wasn't working? I've never known Microsoft to tell their customers that something is wrong.

    Long story short this product is doomed with a 97% confidence of certain doomage.

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    1. Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have a hard time understanding why they are using the Windows brand for their phone OS. Does it share anything with their desktop OS? At this point (especially on a phone), the Windows brand has negative value. At least they didn't tack on a .net or live.

    2. Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom by qazwart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is a concept in the marketing industry called "The Delta". The Delta is the thing your product has that not only distinguishes it from other products, but will get consumers to choose your product over the others -- despite other possible short comings.

      The original iPhone came out without copy/paste, but it still offered some unique features that allowed people to "forgive" Apple on that aspect. The web browser, the interface, the coolness factor, etc. Apple claimed they didn't include copy/paste because they were trying to work out the way to have copy/paste on a touch interface without any menuing system. When the iPhone finally came out with copy/paste, most people praised it as simple, intuitive, and easy to use.

      One problem with Windows 7 Phone is that the copy/paste issue has been solved. We know how to have a nice copy/paste interface. The other issue is that the Windows 7 Phone isn't unique. What's the "Delta" over the iPhone and Android phones? This isn't saying that Windows 7 Phone isn't competitive, but that whatever advantages it has must make people decide to buy the device over the iPhone which does come with copy/paste, 100K+ apps, a wide consumer environment, and its coolness factor.

      If the Windows 7 Phone came out two years ago, it would be extremely competitive and people would be rushing out to buy it. As it stands now, it is just another app phone missing features that other app phones already have.

    3. Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom by stewbacca · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You keep going on about Apple and features. I was involved with developing user training for the first gen iPhone and I can tell you, what features YOU want didn't make version one based on very careful market research and engineering tradeoffs.

      It's not like Apple said, "nobody wants remote wipe so we aren't going to do it". Instead, they said, "we have X amount of schedule and Y amount of budget, so we have to decide what is more important to our target audience: a great iPod interface, or some dorky enterprise tools." And it's not like they just accidentally forgot to include copy/paste in the OS either--they practically invented copy/paste (they were the first to map them to their current keyboard shortcuts of command C and V, respectively).

      In short, if you needed a business phone with enterprise features, you most likely already had a blackberry. If you wanted a consumer device that would suffice as a business phone (with limitations), then you might have bought an iPhone.

    4. Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom by hey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is Slashdot, we know that "delta" means difference... from Calculus. Just like marketing to take a clearly defined term and turn it into something vague. "What's your delta?".

    5. Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom by flyboy974 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      This is absolutely the correct answer. I run a large development organization and we constantly have to go back and forth with our business team to talk about the cost of a feature.

      Features, although great, cost you time and money (It's time and labor or T&L in my world). T&L represents development, QA, documentation, training, support, and long term maintenance from those teams as well.

      Once you have a feature, you expect to have it forever. From Waynes World, Garth said it right. "We fear change. Change is Evil!". We can give you a different way to do it, or take away a feature. But who wants that?

      BTW, the original comments ability to get some Invader Zim into a topic. Classic. Love JTHM.

    6. Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft always admits that their products are flawed, after they release new versions. It's one of the ways they get people to get the next version.

      Every version of Windows since 1995 have had what I call "purchase reassurance messages" during the install where they say "This is the best version of Windows yet!"; which is actually a backhanded way of saying "We know the previous version had many flaws and sucked out loud, but this one doesn't as much!"

      Windows 95 is great! It will change everything! >>> Windows 95 is terrible! Windows 98 fixes all the problems! >>> Windows 98 has deep and serious flaws. Windows ME fixes that for the home user, and Windows 2000 is the ultimate answer for business! >>> Windows ME is shit! Windows XP will save the world! >>> Windows XP is old and outdated - just look at the UI. Windows Vista is the new way to do everything faster, and more reliably! >>> We realize that Windows Vista wasn't the best we could do, but Windows 7 is!

      They've been doing this for decades, and people just keep buying in.

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  2. It will be ridiculed here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    but, I think the interface is very sleek and my company develops business applications to Mobile devices and I am in the group to develop applications for Windows Phone 7. The application interface is pretty good and we recently got couple of those Samsung devices to test our applications and it does do a good job. No doubt this current version of OS do not provide support for SQL-CE DB or multi-tasking or even copy & paste. But .net provides pretty good infrastructure to concoct a rudimentary in-memory db for our case. Other things would have been really useful for what we do. Despite these deficiencies I think, this is a pretty good OS and good UI from MS.

  3. It isn't even real Windows CE by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Windows Phone 7 isn't even real Windows CE. The user can't load and run apps designed for previous versions of Windows Mobile, only apps designed from Silverlight or XNA, and even then only from the official app store. Want to make your own apps? 99 bucks a year, just like iPhone. (To be fair, iPhone copied this app store model largely from Microsoft's XNA Creators Club and Xbox Live Indie Games.)

    1. Re:It isn't even real Windows CE by jisatsusha · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's actually worse than that. It's $99 per year, plus $99 per application.

  4. GM did something similar in the late 90s by DG · · Score: 5, Informative

    One of the perks of working for an auto company is the ability to lease a car at a drastically reduced rate. And once you reach a certain salary level, the auto company "pays" the lease so the car is effectively free.

    There are controls - Chrysler, for example, wouldn't give employees Vipers or Prowlers - but there was a pretty broad selection of cars to choose from.

    Except for a period in the late 90s/early oughts where the only GM company car was the Pontiac Aztek.

    I'd drive past their plants/offices in Detroit and the employee parking lot was solid Azteks.

    <NELSON>Ha-ha!</NELSON>

    DG

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  5. Re:But only to true employees by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

    But only to true employees, not to temps and interns.

    Actually, true employees get a WP7 phone.

    Temps and interns get 2 WP7 phones, and a dozen KINs

  6. Re:But it's mnade out of PEOPLE !! by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny

    " Don't buy WP7. It's made out of PEOPLE !! "

    I could be worse - it could be made out of KINs instead of next of kins.

    Hot new item @ microsoft - cases that make your iPhone look like a WP7 phone - complete with BSOD screen-saver.

    The Balminator: "Hey - is that an iPhone?

    Employee: "I wish - blue-screened again!"

    The Balminator: "Okay, I guess I can find someone else to throw this chair at."

  7. Stupid by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, how can Microsoft guarantee its Windows Phone 7 devices will enjoy broader adoption than the ill-fated Kin? By giving every Microsoft employee a free one, that's how

    I'm sorry but this is a stupid statement and a stupid article. Apple gives a large number of it's employees an iPhone and Google gives a large number of its an Android phone. It's call "eating your own dog food".

    In addition they get a friendly pool of testers who can give them instant feedback (and probably quite detailed given that they'll naturally try to use it with the products they are managing) on the devices in real world situations (such as bugs, issues, integration with web services, exchange support) and can also simulate some scenarios (such large scale remote activation, wipe and locate) far better than a couple of devices in a lab can.

    Finally, if you're a manufacturer of a product, it doesn't look very good if your employees all use your competitors does it? Whenever I've dealt with a Samsung, Sony Ericsson, Apple, HTC or LG rep I've never seen them use anything but their own phones and I'd be concerned about the statement they are making if they did.

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  8. Re:They should expand the program by tokul · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll use a Windows Mobile phone, too... if it's free.

    The first one is always free.

  9. Assumptions Assumptions by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't care how refined it is. In other words: I don't care how much MS does to step up their technology.

    Not true. I own an XBox360. I have a partition with a legit copy of Windows XP at home on one of my desktops. But I will never ever use IE again. I even get a little sick when I have to use IE to update XP. Firefox, Chrome, Opera I'll take anything over IE. Having had to develop to support IE6 for the longest time, I am jaded. I am biased. But if you get burned by something, you usually don't reward the company by continuing to use that product. This is how I feel about IE. I don't want it on my phone.

    I hate them and anything they do will not be good enough for me.

    No, I'm critical of them and everything they do. Similar to when I tear apart Google or Apple. They are big players with big resources and bigger responsibilities. They do get things right once in a while, this phone and the Zune were not done right in my opinion.

    I'm a raving fanboi with a chip on my shoulder and if you want an honest opinion of a product from a company that I hate you're not going to find it here.

    Well, to use either-you're-with-us-or-against-us-black-and-white extremes, I can't criticize anything around here without being accused of being a raving fanboi. And who am I a fanboi of exactly?

    I really wish they had an ignore button around here.

    Yeah, it's called your foes list. Log in, change your relationship with me to 'foe' and then add a foe modifier of -6. As long as you're logged in, you'll never see my posts again. Please, do us both a favor.

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    1. Re:Assumptions Assumptions by qortra · · Score: 4, Funny

      But I will never ever use IE again. I even get a little sick when I have to use IE to update XP.

      At one point, I memorized an FTP address for Mozilla so I wouldn't have to load IE to download Firefox on new installations.

  10. Philosophical question by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If a MS employee leaves his MS phone prototype in a bar and no blogger considers it even worth stealing, does it make a ring?

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  11. Re:They should expand the program by kervin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll use a Windows Mobile phone, too... if it's free. Sure as hell never paying for another device running WinCE, the most pointless operating system ever.

    Wow, this is the entire content of a +5 Insightful post.

    Could you at least give us a single piece of technical evidence to back that up? However anecdotal?