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GOP Senators Move To Block FCC On Net Neutrality

suraj.sun writes "Seven Republican senators have announced a plan to curb the Obama administration's push to impose controversial Net neutrality regulations on the Internet." "The FCC's rush to take over the Internet is just the latest example of the need for fundamental reform to protect consumers," says Sen. Jim DeMint, who I'm sure truly only has the consumer's needs at heart — since his campaign contributions list AT&T in his top five donating organizations.

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  1. WTF by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The FCC's rush to takeover the Internet is just the latest example of the need for fundamental reform to protect consumers.

    The FCC is trying to protect consumers, you fuck. Honestly, do these people believe that anyone will swallow lies like that?

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    1. Re:WTF by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "OMG THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO CONTROL THE INTERNET!"

      That is what typical people who do not understand the net neutrality issue think when they hear that the FCC wants to enforce net neutrality. It does not help that Fox news, the most popular news network in America, has people like Glenn Beck calling net neutrality a socialist plot.

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    2. Re:WTF by Moryath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I want to know something.

      Why are we all worried over 7 republicraps when yesterday it was 73 paid-off democraps doing precisely the same thing?

      The problem is ALL OF THEM, corrupt boobs on both sides of the aisle, not one side or the other. Sheesh.

    3. Re:WTF by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know that. I never said otherwise. I was addressing this particular liar's statement. Unlike most of my countrymen (and a surprising number of posters here), I'm not stupid enough to think that one party is less corrupt and power-hungry than the other.

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    4. Re:WTF by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Honestly, do these people believe that anyone will swallow lies like that?

      Given the hysteria that greets any attempt at ensuring net neutrality, the answer to your question appears to be "yes." And I'm not just talking about telecom industry shills and their bought-and-paid-for politicians, either. Read any story that mentions net neutrality on Slashdot -- where people really ought to know better -- and you'll see that many people have swallowed the propaganda hook, line, and sinker. There are a lot of people, including many technically literate people, who actually believe that (a) net neutrality decreases broadband users' freedom of choice, (b) telling telcos that they can't discriminate based on packet origin will somehow morph into forcing discrimination based on content, or (c) some combination of the above. And it seems that there is simply no amount of explanation of what net neutrality actually is, and how it works, which will get through to people who think like this.

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    5. Re:WTF by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How can you describe this as anything other than the government deciding what's allowed and what's not allowed on the Internet?

      Well, you can start by realizing that net neutrality has nothing at all to do with "the government deciding what's allowed and what's not allowed on the Internet," and go from there.

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    6. Re:WTF by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What? The whole point of net neutrality is to prevent ISPs (and the Government) from selectively blocking/degrading certain content. This is the government "deciding what's allowed" on the internet only in the sense that they're saying they aren't allowed to say what's allowed on the internet. Where are people getting these crazy conspiracy theory notions of what Net Neutrality is?

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    7. Re:WTF by kenj0418 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can you give me an example of government regulation that did not end up favoring entrenched incumbents in the industry more than potential competitors or consumers?

      Telephone number portability

    8. Re:WTF by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not. There's no reason why there shouldn't be toplessness on American TV as seen on European TV. I routinely what Euro TV and I'm amazed how much is blurred by the FCC censors. Instead we get to see Jack Bauer slitting people's throats which is far more harmful than a naked chest.

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    9. Re:WTF by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is the post above me, which is pretty much a fucking call to censor free speech that the poster disagrees with, +insightful for an article about the FCC and net neutrality?

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    10. Re:WTF by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>Fairness Principle..... as part of the agreement that they can license the 'publicly owned' airwaves, and presto, Fox "News".

      FOX News doesn't use the public airwaves. FOX is wholly-and-completely distributed by private cable lines. The same is true for all cable channels (TNT, FX, USA, et cetera). Perhaps you should learn how things *actually* work? The Fairness Doctrine only applied to over-the-air television.

      As for balance on *public* spectrum several AM/FM stations routinely air liberal talkshows to counterbalance the Becks and Limbaughs. On TV there's the left-leaning PBS and NBC. I also have a local station called "MiND" that shows Democracy Now and GritTV and other liberal programs. There's really no need for a Fairness Doctrine, since there's already plenty of programs on both left and right.

      Note when I say liberal I refer to pro-"making government bigger"
      You rarely here the counter-argument that government should be smaller.

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    11. Re:WTF by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are we better off with the FCC calling the shots?

      The Federal Communications Commission would seem like the right agency to be "calling the shots" when it comes to the internet.
      Would you like to suggest a different agency?

      The trouble is that if they do maneuver themselves into Internet Regulator status, we will never see the alternatives.

      ::facepalm::
      What alternatives?
      Self-regulation by the industry?
      Because that's obviously going to lead to a fair and open market place?

      The FCC imposes fines for broadcasting nudity, right? Even half-a-million-dollar fines for accidental nudity on live broadcasts (superbowl halftime show...) that must later be thrown out in appeals court, right?

      Uhhh... Newsflash: this moral panic was brought to you by social conservatives. You know, people who almost always vote Republican.

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    12. Re:WTF by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why should any of us give a damn about freedoms for corporations? Take a look at the constitution of the United States of America some time, and you might notice that the document does not make many guarantees about freedoms for enterprises or corporations of any sort, although it does explicitly grant power to regulate commerce.

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    13. Re:WTF by polar+red · · Score: 3, Insightful

      HOW does net neutrality hinder profits ?

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    14. Re:WTF by gorzek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Somebody is going to be in control of it, one way or another. Better that it be a government agency that's at least theoretically answerable to the voting populace than a corporation that is only beholden to its investors.

    15. Re:WTF by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Honestly, do these people believe that anyone will swallow lies like that?

      Um yes? Have you not been paying attention? The entire history of politics, during my lifetime at least, has been the people swallowing one ridiculous lie after another. From "trickle down economics" to Obama's "change" rhetoric, they lie and lie and lie and people still believe them.

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    16. Re:WTF by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Uhhh... Newsflash: this moral panic was brought to you by social conservatives. You know, people who almost always vote Republican.

      The FCC is influenced by politics, then, right?

      The FCC is a member of the executive branch, so will be influenced by whatever president is in office, right? Do you really want the precedent to be that the internet is to be ruled by a revolving door of figureheads?

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    17. Re:WTF by Entropius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The government is not the one that needs to do something about it. There is more to the US than the government. The American *people* need to do something about Fox News -- namely, stop watching it, and boycott its advertisers.

    18. Re:WTF by thestudio_bob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...Republicans have fought hard to have control of the message

      If you truly believe that this is just a "republican" agenda, then you have been suckered into believing the other sides message.

      BOTH parties are trying to do this, they aren't stupid. Once any party has some sort of power, they're not going to give it up. Don't be fooled by party "marketing" tactics.

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    19. Re:WTF by Americano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From the same article under discussion:

      In theory, many Democrats favor Net neutrality. President Obama recently reiterated through a spokesman that he remains "committed" to the idea, as have some Democratic committee chairmen.

      But theory doesn't always mesh with political practice. More than 70 House Democrats sent a letter to FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski instructing him to abandon his Net neutrality plans. A majority of Congress now opposes Genachowski's proposals.

      It's not just "the republicans" that are doing this, wake the fuck up and stop with the "My team is better than your team" bullshit - the only difference here is that YOUR whores are disingenuously claiming to be in favor of it while working to undermine it.

    20. Re:WTF by gorzek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Guess what? You just argued in favor of regulation. If you want consumers to have choices for broadband, then you are talking about forcing companies, through regulation, to make their infrastructure available to everyone.

      Thanks for making my point for me.

    21. Re:WTF by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Net Neutrality means that to you. What makes you think that is what the FCC means by it? Even if the FCC means that now, how long do you think they will stick to just that? Have you seen the bill Congress proposed to make "Net Neutrality" law? It was several hundred pages long.

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    22. Re:WTF by Fauxbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because if the ISP can't say:

      "Oh a packet from Google... that's a nice packet you got there Google, be a shame if something were to happen to it. Gimme $100 and I'll make sure it get's where it's going real quick... unlike "lucky Bing" over here"

      That hurts my profits.

    23. Re:WTF by gorzek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're splitting hairs. The FCC is an executive agency that answers to the President. You do vote for President. Would we like to start voting for every last government employee, too?

    24. Re:WTF by AndersOSU · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well for starters:

      Sherman anti-trust
      Glass-Steagall
      Minimum Wage Act
      Wagner Act
      The Clean Air Act
      The Clean Water Act
      the OSH Act
      FMLA
      Sarbanes-Oxley

    25. Re:WTF by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can you give me an example of government regulation that did not end up favoring entrenched incumbents in the industry more than potential competitors or consumers?

      The Superfund cleanup projects. Breaking up Standard Oil. The limitations on media homogenization.

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    26. Re:WTF by ATMAvatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your analogy is flawed.

      The grocery stores are the content providers (those creating websites). Net neutrality deals with the roads connecting those stores.

      It may be really easy to drive to a different grocery store when one charges too much or lacks what you want, but depending upon how the roads are laid out, you may be stuck driving over the same few stretches of road regardless of which store you go to. What's worse is that the existing roads were largely subsidized with public money, and building new roads to compete with the old ones is often times difficult to impossible due to a variety of reasons (e.g. zoning).

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    27. Re:WTF by gorzek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't seem to have any idea how cable monopolies were established in the first place.

      Cable companies struck deals with local governments in order to get permission to lay their lines on public land and on private property. It was completely infeasible for cable companies to lay their lines without the cooperation of the local government, as private properties are not contiguous enough to permit it and it's far too much hassle to ask every single property owner for permission to lay cables on their land.

      In exchange for building this infrastructure, cable companies got their monopolies. At the time, nobody realized they would eventually be used for the breadth of data services we have now. In retrospect, it wasn't a great decision but it was the best option at the time.

      Now that the cable monopolies are fully entrenched, the only way you're going to get fair competition is to socialize the infrastructure--which cannot be done solely at the local level. For it to work, it has to be done nationally, otherwise you just wind up with varying degrees of local/regional monopolies, which we already have.

      If government at all levels just steps away from the whole thing and leaves everything status quo, you will not see more competition. The cable companies will still have their local monopolies because no one else can get in unless the local government allows someone to lay cables on public land again--which would start this whole process over and we'd be left with the same problem in the end.

    28. Re:WTF by uniquename72 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you really want the precedent to be that the internet is to be ruled by a revolving door of figureheads?

      No, I want to precedent to be that I can use the Internet in any legal way I see fit without my provider telling me what sites I can and can't view, or slowing down my access to certain sites.

      If the government needs to step in to ensure that I have this freedom (and the obviously do, or Comcast wouldn't be throttling) then so be it.

      Without net neutrality, there's nothing stopping a site like Amazon from paying Comcast to slow traffic to any other retail site. Similarly, there's be great disincentive for network owners to allow access to bandwidth-hogging sites, so YouTube, Hulu, and most other video sites would never have been created, let alone new ones allowed to thrive.

      Net neutrality means that access remains free (as in freedom). Lack of it is a massive gift to network providers at the expense of free information. When the government abuses their power, then it's time to get your panties in a bunch. This bill abuses nothing, and grants no powers that the government doesn't already have.

    29. Re:WTF by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder what the old phone system would be like if it hadn't had common carrier net neutrality status, or roads, or railroads, or airplanes. In fact, I wonder about so-called business-friendly conservatives who think it's perfectly hunky dory to have racism in publicly accessible businesses. Can they even imagine a world where every single place you went, every single thing you did, was subject to a zillion different whims? Oh, no, don't shop there, the owner hates left handed people, red headed people, people taller than him ....

      The whole point of all these laws, from anti-racism to net neutrality, is to level the playing ground. These so-called business-friendly nincompoops can't think past the end of their noses, that fragmenting life like that would send the economy back to the stone ages.

      Aside from the basic fairness of it all, of course. But from the pragmatic point of view, they are short sighted beyond belief.

      Bah. The rights wingers want big business to control big government, and the left wing wants big government to control big business. Neither of them has any faith in individual power.

    30. Re:WTF by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, net neutrality is exactly the government deciding what is allowed on the Internet, by definition.

      It just so happens that they are deciding that all traffic should be treated equally by all carriers.

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    31. Re:WTF by Ironchew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the ham radio space

      That, right there, is a perfect example. The FCC not only gives licensed individuals the go-ahead to transmit over the airwaves, but it specifically prohibits all commercial communication over the spectrum to prevent for-profit industries with high-power transmitters from totally ruining any competing signals. The media industry can do what it wants (unfortunately) on the commercial spectrum, but amateur radio is completely separate, as it should be. It's a shame that the usable spectrum for amateurs is getting smaller and smaller, though.

    32. Re:WTF by Paracelcus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes! It (the Internet) needs to be regulated insofar as keeping big business from strangling it.

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    33. Re:WTF by tthomas48 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well they believe Obama is a socialist, that ACORN is primarily an institution for providing tax advice to pimps, and that lowering taxes increases tax revenue no matter how low the taxes go.

      So yes. Yes I do.

    34. Re:WTF by SETIGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Opinion is fine as long as it is defined as opinion and not FACT. They should have a disclaimer bar that scrolls across the top of the screen at all times stating this network (Fox News) is not reporting news, just their opinions on what they consider the news.

      Wow... that would pretty much destroy every cable news outlet in business today, at least as a "News" outlet.

      Good! And why not? They certainly deserve to die...

      I'll tell you a story. Back in the old Republic, before the dark times, before the Emperor (Reagan), in order to get a license to use the public airwaves, television stations actually had to do things that were in the public interest... Among the things they did were broadcasting public service announcement, broadcasting programming suitable for children at certain hours, and broadcasting informative news programs. The news was required to be fair and balanced. It was not allowed to pander to one political party or another. When a license was up for renewal the FCC would ask for input from the public and look to see if the station had acted in the public interest. If it had not the license might not be renewed.

      In order to ensure licence renewals the three networks spent lots of money on news programming. They had quality anchors and quality reported and the ratings weren't bad. Because there were only three networks there was nothing else you could watch. But as more and more stations came on the air and cable TV started to catch on, there started to be options besides the news. And with CNN and Headline News, now you could watch the news anytime. So the network ratings started slipping. To get their ratings back the networks started to add more fluff to their news broadcasts.

      And the FCC did notice and mentioned it. "But TBS can show the Braves game and Cheers all day long without any news! That's not fair!" the networks did cry. Their cries reached the ears of the Emperor who screamed "Requiring that corporations act in the public interest is communism! No more shall we require anything of the broadcasters except that they not kill a whole bunch of people." Later the requirement that broadcasters not kill people was rescinded.

      And the networks did try to rescue their news programs by removing news and adding fluff. The the news sunk anyway. CNN and Headline news did prosper for a while, until copycats Fox News and MS-NBC came along. With more competition, a new way to survive was reinvented: Remove all your news and add pointless fluff. The best pointless fluff was right wing propaganda that would make people angry. Americans used four news outlets. but none of them had news. Those few that actually wanted news went to the British or to the last bastion of American communism, NPR.

      And thus the fourth estate died alone, and the Republic shortly thereafter.

  2. Ends don't justify... by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I like that the FCC is trying to ensure net neutrality but I have two problems with it.

    First and foremost, if you're being honest with yourself, these kinds of decisions are too important to leave up to people in non-elected positions. Just because I agree with the decision they made doesn't make it right to try and do an end run around the politicos to get their way. Imagine if the FCC were doing the opposite, and trying to encourage a non-neutral net.

    Secondly, this wouldn't be a law on the books. All it would take for this policy to change would be a new management at the FCC. That means both that businesses couldn't count on it staying the same for any kind of long term and that the next election cycle could see it thrown out the window without so much as a vote in congress.

    Put it through congress the way these kinds of policies were always meant to be. At least give the American people the chance to pretend that they can still influence their congressmen and make it a bit more difficult for the policy to be overturned when the political winds change.

  3. And who will protect consumers from comcast & by unity100 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    huh ? especially when these and 2 other companies hold almost all american backbone infrastructure in their own hands ? and for some reason, they are acting in unison. gee. i wonder why that is.

    really. who will protect the consumer from their stranglehold ? 'invisible hand' of the market ? fairies ? what do you do when 4 companies hold an entire nation hostage, act together ? wait for 4-5 years for a new backbone provider to come up ? do you have that time ? and dont bullshit me about 'competition' by the way - it has never been a reality in between mega companies at the very top. they always act in conjunction.

  4. Legislation Title Misleading by supermariosd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Freedom of Consumer Choice" implies that most consumers have a choice when selecting a broadband provider. Lots of folks are stuck with good ol' Comcast because they're the only provider in the area.

    1. Re:Legislation Title Misleading by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, then instead of campaigning for "net neutrality" (whatever the government decides that means), you should be campaigning for the government to break up the high speed Internet monopolies.

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  5. Oh yes by adamwright · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh yes, they believe that people will swallow them. I'm making a kind of personal anthropological study of the changes to the US right (which, to most of the Western world, is becoming the "far right", or possibly "So far right, it's in danger of wrap around"). These people truly seem believe that *any* kind of government is an evil threat to liberty (how these people can draw a salary as a government employee is an excellent example of living with cognitive dissonance - *my* government job is OK, *my* farm subsidy is an exception to the rule of free markets). There seems to be a growing group who would prefer that the sum total role of government would be to issue all newborns with a bible and a gun, then vanish for all eternity.

    I caricature, of course. Not all republicans are this far gone. Unfortunately, It's getting hard to find any vocal examples who are not.

  6. Re:Let me get this straight... by chaboud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I imagine that this is why Obama is trying to do this with the FCC (and not congress).

    That said, I'm fairly convinced that Julius Genachowski and his crack squad of broadband-all-the-time lawyers and business types have no friggin' clue how the technology works or how to address problems of scale.

    Net Neutrality, yes, good. Massive hand-over of wireless spectrum to private wireless providers instead of building up a national infrastructure? Dumb.

  7. they do swallow his lies by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    in the united states, you have people who will vociferously fight even legislation that is good for them and increases their rights, like common sense healthcare reform, because they would rather believe demagogues on the radio and propaganda outlets on the television that report "the news"

    behind these demagogues and propaganda outlets are big business concerns, who have realized they can pay to have opinion swayed in their direction by demonizing brain dead obvious common good legislation that costs corporations money. they have convinced the idiots to fight for the reduction of their own rights. they call legislation in the name of the common good "socialism," "liberalism," or any number of demonized words whom those who oppose "socialism" or "liberalism" don't even really understand

    all they know is "socialism is a bad word." well, what does socialism mean? "its means bad stuff." could you define it ideologically please? "it's anti-american." would you like to know the 19th century american history of labor rights- "shut up you communist fascist terrorist"

    this is what intelligent americans are up against: corporations whipping up the low end of the iq curve into a rabid hysteria

    americans: go to europe. ask a european about socialism. you will find out the word is boring and just common sense. europeans have a much higher standard of living then you, dear propagandized low iq americans. they also have much higher taxes... but they DON'T PAY FOR SERVICES YOU PAY A LOT MORE FOR

    truth, idiots: you're still taxed, whether for health care or oil or broadband, but by corporate boardrooms instead of uncle sam, and you are taxed a heck of a lot more! idiots: you are being manipulated by trolls in the employ of big business to think things against your own self-interest, and you are too stupid to see it. wake the fuck up

    rest of the world: i apologize that the american experiment in democracy has been warped by corporate influence. there are still americans who recognize the threat and would like nothing more than to remove that corporate financial influence from our democracy. unfortunately, it is very difficult to fight billions of dollars in lobbyists and media buys. but we're trying. wish us luck. if we fail, then the usa becomes nothing more than a slave state to corporate interests, and any slave who dare suggests big business should pay more for the care of their slaves is "unamerican." unbelievable

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  8. Make sure you correctly define "Net Neutrality" by Androclese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is the Geek way of defining it: "No filtering, blocking, or censoring of content going across the wire." (simplified, but you get my point)

    The other is the politician way of defining it: "all speech on the Internet must be neutral and balanced". Essentially, the equivalent of the "Fairness Doctrine" that was imposed (and revoked) on the visual and audio media years and years ago.

    Unfortunately, this distinction is lost in a lot of these discussions. Do not assume that just because it says "Net Neutrality", that it is defined as you think it is.

    For the record, I am for the former and against the latter.

  9. Re:FCC = Censorship by casings · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does the FCC censor your telephone calls? No.

    Because making ISP's common carriers would give consumers the same protections to the internet that the FCC gives for telephony.

    Learn what the fuck you are talking about before you post, please.

  10. Re:Let me get this straight... by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This issue of who AT&T donates to is really really easy to settle. All we need to do is go to research that looks directly at who's giving what to whom, which is thankfully available right here.

    As you can see, the general story is:
    1. AT&T has given more to Republicans since 1994, but gives huge amounts of cash to candidates of both major parties.
    2. AT&T has handed out more cash than any other organization in the country since 1990.

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