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Company Claims Patent On Spam Filtering, Sues World

EvilAlphonso notes news of a "Texas" IP holding company suing 36 actual companies for violating its claimed patent on spam filtering. Techdirt deconstructs the patent itself, No. 6,018,761, which seems to amount to little more than a database lookup. It was filed in 1996 and issued in 2000 (despite the lawyers' press release claiming that it "was awarded... nearly 15 years ago"). Among the companies being sued are 3Com, Apple, Google, AOL, Yahoo, J.C.Penney, IBM, Dell, Citigroup, and RIM. Not Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, or Microsoft, oddly enough.

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  1. Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... it's the only way to be sure.

    Seriously, it's bad enough that we have a patent system that allows these patent trolls to exist at all, but it really looks to me like one judge is creating a favorable environment most of the patent troll lawsuits in the entire US (and, given that the US seems to be far and away the number one country for patent trolling, maybe most such lawsuits in the entire world.) Isn't there any way to fire this clown?

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    1. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by Grimbleton · · Score: 2, Informative

      .30-06 ought to do it.

      Other than that, not really, no.

    2. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by straponego · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes. Or how about... let's see, it's Texas, and lots of people are complaining about all the violent illegal aliens. I see a solution with a good Bhyrdstone index. Execute a patent troll, free citizenship.

    3. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Execute a patent troll or spammer = free citizenship
      Execute a patent troll AND spammer = seat in congress

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    4. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by BigDXLT · · Score: 2

      Be a patent troll AND spammer = seat in congress :(

    5. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by countertrolling · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why? He's doing us all a big favor. Nothing will bring a system down faster than exploiting it for all its worth. More patent trolls are what is needed, lots more.. until the damn thing chokes on its own vomit.

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    6. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unfortunately, the court is the only body that is able to determine if a Judge is in "good behavior"...

      No. The Congress is.

      ...which is why they effectively have lifetime guaranteed jobs...

      They have lifetime guaranteed jobs (barring impeachment and conviction) because the Constitution says so.

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    7. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by oldspewey · · Score: 4, Funny

      If the FBI wants to build databases of people who make offhand, whimsical comments in online forums I say more power to them. I work for a major storage vendor.

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    8. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nonsense. First of all, EDT isn't even the most favorable district for patent plaintiffs. There are something like half a dozen districts where plaintiffs do better.

      If you nuked EDT, all you would do is cause the suits to spread out to other districts, to the detriment of defendants. The reason so many suits are in EDT is because EDT can provide reasonably speedy trials. There are two reasons for this. First, because there have been many patent suits there in the past, the courts are familiar with patent litigation, which is one of the more complex areas of litigation. When you have a patent case in a court that has not dealt with patent cases, it is very slow going. (And much more likely that the judge will make reversible errors, so if you do fight off the troll, you'll just end up doing it all over again when the troll gets the verdict thrown out and the case remanded for a new trial on appeal).

      Second, EDT doesn't have many Federal criminal cases. Criminal cases take priority over civil cases in Federal court, due to the constitutional requirement of a speedy trial for criminal cases. In districts where there are a lot of federal criminal cases (e.g., any place where the stupid war on drugs is being heavily waged) civil cases can take months or years to even get to preliminary hearings. File a patent case in one of those districts, and you'll be tied up for many many many years--something neither side wants.

      Given a choice between being sued in EDT and being sued in the plaintiff's home district (if that is different from the defendant's home district), I would bet that most defendants would pick EDT, to get it over faster and keep costs down.

    9. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Informative

      But generally speaking.. they die first.

      Out of the 111 justices that have served, 24 retired. That's over 20%.

      . . . unless you're a quitter like Justice Stevens.

      The man is 90 years old and has served this country for almost 35 years and you call him a quitter because he wanted to retire at 90? Incidentally how would you like to be judged if you lived long enough to retire at 65?

      Just because justices are given lifetime appointments does not mean that they themselves can't retire if they choose. Being smart individuals, they probably understand that in older age, they may not have the capacity to serve their post effectively as someone younger/healthier. One reason some of them die before retiring is that they don't want to be replaced by the current administration because the current administration will appoint someone with opposing political views. Some do leave for personal/health reasons like Thurgood Marshall, Sandra Day O'Connor, etc.

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    10. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by penix1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You forgot the biggest reason...From wikipedia:

      Also of note is the fact that the court's local rules allow any attorney admitted to any state bar--not just that of Texas--to be admitted to practice before the Eastern District Court.

      That means that any ambulance chaser can get in on the act. Add to that the different handling of appeals for patents:

      Appeals from cases brought in the Eastern District of Texas are taken to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, except for patent claims and claims against the U.S. government under the Tucker Act, which are appealed to the Federal Circuit.

      And it become a patent troll feeding frenzy.

      Reference article:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._District_Court_for_the_Eastern_District_of_Texas

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    11. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by slick7 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If the FBI wants to build databases of people who make offhand, whimsical comments in online forums I say more power to them. I work for a major storage vendor.

      That's ok, just don't work in a book repository.

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    12. Re:Take off and nuke Marshall, TX from orbit ... by slick7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This seems to have been a major operating theory of the patent system since the early 90's. And yet, here it still is.

      The patent office has been screwed ever since Edison was in charge of screwing Tesla. Now all patents are useless or covered by national security.

      When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know," the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything — you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. - RAH

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  2. New Patent Idea by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 3, Funny

    I will be filing a patent for my method on submitting comments to websites that involve the use of a mouse, keyboard, computer, and monitor.

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    1. Re:New Patent Idea by TheKidWho · · Score: 2, Funny

      I use a touch screen you inconsiderate clod.

  3. Massively multi-target trolling by FlorianMueller · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The list of targets picked by that entity is pretty impressive. Even though the article accurately notes that some big names are missing, it almost reads like a Who Is Who of the industry. Sort of duck shooting, but the really big ones...

    The bad news is that even such an aggressive behavior isn't the worst that can happen with patents. It's bad, and I'm aware of the fact that non-practicing entities (NPEs) can go extremely far and cause a lot of trouble just to suqeeze the maximum amount of money out of their targets. I don't mean to downplay that problem.

    But: form the perspective of a company that gets attacked, an NPE is only the second-worst possibility. At the end of the day, the NPE is just in it for the money and pursues no strategic objectives beyond that. So the big companies that are the targets here (and the IT companies among them are all pro-software-patent regardless) can initially try to get rid of the patent or prove they don't infringe, and if it comes to worst, they can and will negotiate a settlement, write a check and life goes on for them.

    That isn't the case when a strategic patent holder seeks to limit the functionality of a competitor's product, possibly to the extent that the competitor gets driven out of business. Exclusionary strategic use of patents is much worse than anything an NPE will ever do. It harms competition and innovation in serious ways. It looks like Apple wants to enforce some patents regardless of whatever royalty the defendant (HTC, and maybe others in the future) would be willing to pay. And there's IBM's use of patents to preserve its mainframe monopoly against such companies as TurboHercules and NEON Enterprise Software.

    1. Re:Massively multi-target trolling by RobertM1968 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The list of targets picked by that entity is pretty impressive. Even though the article accurately notes that some big names are missing, it almost reads like a Who Is Who of the industry. Sort of duck shooting, but the really big ones...

      Which may be exactly what's needed to at the very least have their patent invalidated and them driven out of business. At least, so I am hoping.

  4. Filed in 1996- Spam Filters already around by JoshuaZ · · Score: 3, Informative

    By the time this patent was filed for spam filters were already around. Indeed, in 1996 one had such sophisticated filters that used by as Jason Rennie's program iFile whiched used a Bayesian statistical approach to sort potential spam into a junk folder. Prior art is going to kill this quickly.

    1. Re:Filed in 1996- Spam Filters already around by lennier1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't bet on it. The judicial system and common sense aren't exactly best of friends.

    2. Re:Filed in 1996- Spam Filters already around by eln · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Procmail has been filtering email since 1990. Proving prior art on scanning a message for spam filtering should not be difficult.

    3. Re:Filed in 1996- Spam Filters already around by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Informative
      The patent is not for a spam filter, I don't know why the title of the story mentions that. Here is what is claimed, to find prior art you need to find something that matches this exactly:

      1. A method of obtaining context information about a sender of an electronic message using a mail processing comprising the steps of: scanning the message, usinig the mail processine[sic] program to determine if the message contains a reference in a header portion of the message to at least one feature of the sender's context, wherein the sender's context is information about the sender or the message that is usefiul to the recipient in understanding more about the context in which the sender sent the message; if the message contains such reference, using the mail processing program and such reference to obtain [sender] the context information from a location external to the message; if the message does not contain such reference, using the mail processing program and information present in the message to indirectly obtain the [sender] context information using external reference sources to find a reference to the [sender] context information.

      It looks like conceptually (from reading the patent) he was trying to patent the idea of linking a finger-type service to email. The email program can hit up the original server to find any extra information about the sender (the patent itself mentions a v-card, but it's not in the claim so it doesn't matter if it includes the v-card or not).

      From my understanding of what is claimed, it looks like it will cover a system like in gMail, where it remembers the name of people who sent you the message from that address before. I don't think it was the author's intention to create a system that worked that way, but that is how patents work in the 'modern' world. Even if you aren't building in any way on the work of someone else, you can still get caught by their patent.

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    4. Re:Filed in 1996- Spam Filters already around by cgenman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If my understanding is correct, to simplify that language:

      Step 1. Look at the headers. Does it tell you anything useful about the sender?
      Step 2. If it does, use that information to look up other information about the sender somewhere else.
      Step 3. If it doesn't, scan the message for keywords. Use those keywords to look up other information about the sender.

      This covers anti-spam systems, as you gather an IP address from headers, then look up that IP in a database to see if it is from a known spam source.

      Of course, this also covers a bloody lot else. Why else would you have headers except to find useful information about a sender? How big of a jump is it to looking for information about a sender from the headers of an e-mail? I wouldn't be surprised if this exactly describes AOL's mail system with additional user information from the late 80's.

    5. Re:Filed in 1996- Spam Filters already around by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > If you're going to quote Wikipedia, why not just link to it?

      Perhaps he doesn't need to. Perhaps he REMEMBERS this stuff from when it originally happened.

      Many of us were computing (even online) LONG before Slashdot was around.

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    6. Re:Filed in 1996- Spam Filters already around by udippel · · Score: 2, Informative

      1): no. That's quite enough; not to me, but for 'them'.

      2): yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_v._Diehr was the turning point.

  5. Patents and trolls like these are bad by kaptink · · Score: 4, Informative

    1/ Get ambiguous patent to a seemingly obvious method of spam control
    2/ Wait 15 years
    3/ Sue every IT firm under the sun
    4/ Profit

    What is claimed is:

    1. A method of obtaining context information about a sender of an electronic message using a mail processing comprising the steps of:

    Scanning the message, usinig the mail processine program to determine if the message contains a reference in a header portion of the message to at least one feature of the sender's context, wherein the sender's context is information about the sender or the message that is usefiul to the recipient in understanding more about the context in which the sender sent the message;

    If the message contains such reference, using the mail processing program and such reference to obtain [sender] the context information from a location external to the message;
    If the message does not contain such reference, using the mail processing program and information present in the message to indirectly obtain the [sender] context information using external reference sources to find a reference to the [sender] context information.

    2. The method of claim 1, wherein the reference to at least one feature is a reference to a location where context information is stored.
    3. The method of claim 1, wherein the reference to at least one feature is a hint usable to retrieve a location where context information is stored.

    Is there not some rule that says you cant just sit there for all that time until making an infringement claim? There is something rather dishonest about waiting all this time to make such a claim for what looks like a rather obvious method.

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    1. Re:Patents and trolls like these are bad by Ghubi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Is there not some rule that says you cant just sit there for all that time until making an infringement claim?

      It's called Laches

  6. This guy already won the lottery by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Informative
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    1. Re:This guy already won the lottery by Spykk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Never trust a mathematician who plays the lottery...

    2. Re:This guy already won the lottery by illumastorm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then we nuke him from orbit, only way to be sure.

    3. Re:This guy already won the lottery by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Here's his facebook if you want to leave him a message

      He probably has it filtered.

    4. Re:This guy already won the lottery by KermitTheFragger · · Score: 3, Interesting
      This guy seems to have no moral standards whatsoever (Taken from his software website http://www.chiaramail.com/ ):

      With our revolutionary, patented technology, you can now edit the content of your e-mail after you send it. Even if the recipient has seen the mail already: one moment it reads one way; the next, it’s totally different. The content of any mail you send is entirely in your control, at all times. Even if the recipient has deleted his copy of the message, you are able to edit it. We call this remarkable technology dynamic mail content and it's about to change your life.

  7. Re:Good luck with that one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Next I'm going to patent my method for taking a shit.

    Anyone caught shitting, is fucked.

    I have prior art, you patent is invalid.

    Nah, that'd be prior fart

  8. The Patent Claims Sender Not Message Context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The patent claims obtaining context information about the sender. However, spam filters obtain context information about the message not the sender. In general, spam filters care little about the sender as the sender is almost always forged.

  9. Found it in my SPAM box by karvind · · Score: 2, Funny

    I got notification from them as well but it went to the SPAM folder. Sorry.

  10. You can do a lot of spam filtering by alanw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... without looking at the headers.

    1) the IP address of the originating end of the TCP connection, for lookup in a block list, is not in the headers
    2) the SMTP HELO/EHLO - not in the headers
    3) the envelope from and to addresses - not in the headers
    4) the triplet of IP address, from and to for grey listing - not in the headers
    5) the text of the body
    6) the domains in any URLs in the body, for looking up in blocklists
    7) the IP addresses that the domains in 6 resolve to.

    The patent is very badly worded. I would claim that every header would contain some information which would be "usefiul (sic) to the recipient in understanding more about the context in which the sender sent the message".

    In that case, how could any message "not contain such reference".

    Is the patent just claiming to cover the headers, or the body as well. And as for the misspelling!

    Things in the header that might possibly be covered might be any pre-existing "received-from" IP addresses for looking up in blacklists, X-Mailer, Mime and Content type headers.

    What about "Missing Headers"? could this patent be claimed to cover looking for something which doesn't exist in the headers?

  11. Bio piracy by rainmouse · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Slightly off topic I know but I found it interesting enough to share

    Some Scottish hippy friend of mine alleged her charity group managed to fight the good fight against patent trolls by applying for their own patent. Back in 1997 some Texan asshats applied for a patent on basmati rice. Of course this is bio-piracy and as insane as it sounds, the patent was actually granted. Clearly the patent system was as bent as a butchers hook (it still is?). Needless to say this would have destroyed countless livelihoods in India and probably left a lot of people to starve to death. In order to raise awareness for this problem and to put huge pressure on the American government to stop allegedly taking backhanders and burying the problem under red tape the hippy group applied for a patent themselves. They decided that seen as people enjoy eating chips (British chips = french fries in the USA) they decided to apply for a patent on a way of eating chips they had invented, and that is of eating chips with salt. They proved it perfectly legal under existing US patent laws and caused enough of a shitstorm to get the press involved and damage the bureaucrats PR until the patent was un-granted.

    I cannot vouch for the truth of this tale she told me but I looked it up and found some pages backing up her claims.

    http://www.purefood.org/patent/frenchfries032602.cfm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basmati

  12. documenting it on http://en.swpat.org by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm working on documenting it here:

    * http://en.swpat.org/wiki/InNova_v._36_companies_(2010,_USA)

    Help welcome.