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Amateur Radio In the Backcountry?

bartle writes "I spend a lot of time hiking in the Colorado Rockies. Cell phone reception is very unreliable and I'm curious if carrying a small amateur radio would make any sense at all. I don't want to add too much weight to my pack; from what I gather, a radio weighing a pound would give me at most 5 to 10 watts of transmitting power. I have no idea if this is enough to be effective in a mountainous region, and I'm hoping some experienced Slashdot hams could give me a clue. I'm only interested in acquiring a radio and license if it is a lot more effective and reliable than the cell phone I already carry. Otherwise I'll just wait for Globalstar to bring back their duplex service and buy a next-generation SPOT messaging device. (I know some Slashdotters will want to suggest a modern SPOT or Personal Locator Beacon; these are suitable for the worst kinds of emergencies, but I'll point out that reliable communication can help prevent small crises from becoming big ones.) Are small amateur radios effective in the field, or are vehicle rigs really the only way to go? Or am I better off just waiting for satellite?"

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  1. depends on where the repeater is by cgrant · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most frequently you're going to be talking to a repeater, so it depends somewhat on where you are in relation to the repeater. Having said that 5-10 watts is a lot of power compared to a cell phone.

    KA0ZRW - now in WA

    1. Re:depends on where the repeater is by Phoobarnvaz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes. Most frequently you're going to be talking to a repeater, so it depends somewhat on where you are in relation to the repeater.

      Make sure you program the repeaters into the radio before you head out. These are available at many area ham radio websites. In addition...it would be worth the time/money to buy an extra battery...along with a battery adapter which uses AA batteries.

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    2. Re:depends on where the repeater is by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

      A little more technical detail:

      Most small/compact (handheld) amateur radios are UHF/VHF units. (Usually called HTs, for Handheld Transceivers) The two most popular ham bands are the 2 meter (144-148 MHz) and 70 cm (approx. 440 MHz, I'm a bit rusty and haven't touched my radio in a few years.)

      VHF/UHF communications is line of sight based, so unless you're within LOS of a repeater, you probably won't be able to do much, unless you have friends nearby with similar units. You can operate VHF/UHF HTs in a unit-to-unit (Simplex) mode, but most people use them to talk via repeaters. Repeaters listen on one frequency and transmit on another, usually with an offset of 600 kHz in the 2 meter band. Even if you are in coverage of a repeater, it's not always guaranteed someone will be listening.

      APRS (Automatic Packet Reporting System) can report your position with periodic position broadcasts. This could let friends track your movements whenever you're in coverage of an APRS gateway or digipeater, for example at http://aprs.fi/

      There are also portable solutions for HF (global) communications (frequency 30 MHz), but the most portable solutions (suitable for a backpacker) will only do Morse code and not voice.

      Getting a license is pretty easy and cheap (no Morse code required for the Technician license that allows VHF/UHF operation, and the FCC may even be allowing operation on the HF bands without a Morse test now - I'm not sure if they've updated their rules based on the ITU rule changes a few years ago), so I would recommend starting the process of studying and finding an exam session now.

      Andy Dodd
      N2YPH

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  2. VHF/UHF are mainly line of sight by v1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    and don't work well in the mountains unless you and the other guy are both within line of sight of each other. Repeaters can help work around the LoS problem but there probably aren't many in the area you are considering.

    jacking up your power can only help so much. it's not like the higher power blasts through the mountains. Higher antennas can help, but if you're already in mountains, you are probably outgunned in the height department.

    Some form of satellite is probably going to be your best bet. Or some lower frequency (LF/HF) that will cover variable ground terrain better.

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    1. Re:VHF/UHF are mainly line of sight by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 5, Informative

      Amateur radio is dieing. There isnt a need for it anymore and the "hams" are getting old. 144mhz is the new CB where anything goes. I suggest getting satellite devices or something along those lines. Dont waste your time or money on amateur radio.

      You know, you shouldn't demonstrate your ignorance in public like that. There were a record number of new amateur radio licenses issued in 2009 and the number of new licensees in 2010 is already ahead of that pace.

      Not only is amateur radio not dying (note the correct spelling of that, BTW), it's thriving.

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    2. Re:VHF/UHF are mainly line of sight by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Informative

      "With an Iridium phone you can get it out, lock onto a satellite and be talking to someone in minutes." ...and you can rent one for 40$ a week.

  3. Satellite phone by hansbrix · · Score: 3, Informative

    Inmarsat. It works in the mountains of Afganistan.

  4. In a word... by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...no.

    There's no amateur radio transceiver that weighs in at less than a pound that would give you the kind of power or reliability you're looking for. Also, unless you're willing to put in the effort to obtain at least a general class amateur radio license, you'd pretty much be limited to the VHF/UHF segments of the amateur bands, which are not good in mountainous terrain unless you are certain you'd be in range of one or more repeaters during your trips. If you were willing to learn Morse code, you would have access to a small portion of the 40 meter band with an entry-level (technician) ticket but then you'd have to carry some sort of long wire antenna and be able to get it up into a couple of trees if you want a realistic hope of making any sort contact.

    I'd say that either use a vehicle mounted amateur radio rig that can put out 100W or so--there are several neat little units available, but they don't come cheap, around $1000--or just enjoy the outdoors without worrying about communication. Hell, I packed into the Sierra Nevada for years without a cell phone (they hadn't even been invented at the time) or any other sort of link to the outside world. I liked it that way.

    73,

    de KJ6BSO sk

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  5. Why wait for a satellite telephone? by RKBA · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're here now, although they are a little expensive.

    1. Re:Why wait for a satellite telephone? by $pace6host · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Inmarsat iSatPhone PRO isn't too bad (hey, at ~$600, it's in line with the original list price of the first iPhone!), and you can rent it from those guys (outfitterconnect.com) if you're just going on a trip off the net for a while. Advantages over amateur radio are simplicity, GPS location services built in, no need for an exam / license, direct connectivity to the world wide phone network, and it's 24/7 always available. Oh, and I almost forgot, it has BlueTooth! Seriously, if the idea is just to have it for emergencies, there's even an EMS plan for ~$16/mo that has no minutes built in, w/ ~$1.50/min rate for calls. If you don't ever plan on calling anyone because you enjoy being out in the wilderness all alone, but want to have that safety backstop of being able to reach someone in an emergency (and give them lat/long of where you are), that sounds ideal. Just don't drop it in a river or land on it when you fall off the rock face.

  6. Yes, I always carry an HT by mpoulton · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm involved in wilderness search and rescue in remote areas of Arizona. We have no cell coverage in most of the areas we work in, and only have sheriff's radio repeater coverage in about 50%. Amateur radio repeaters cover most of the rest. My commercial VHF radio is programmed with all the regional ham repeaters in addition to the sheriff's frequencies and every other wilderness public safety frequency used in the region. If I'm going into certain areas with especially bad coverage, I'll also carry a quad-band handheld (VX-7R) and an external 25W VHF amplifier. No matter what gear you have, location matters most. It is often necessary to climb the nearest ridge to make contact with a repeater, since valleys are usually completely dead spots. The only effective way to communicate from a deep, narrow valley is with HF, or at least 6M with over 100W of power. We use low-band VHF at 120W between vehicles and do fine in very rough terrain. So yes, carry radio gear. Know your area's repeaters well, though, and be prepared to seek higher ground in order to communicate. A SPOT locator is a very good idea in addition, though, and serves a completely different purpose from other communications gear.

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  7. sat phones and self reliance by panZ · · Score: 4, Informative
    As someone who has climbed the world round, it is important to find out what means of communication the area you are in use first. If you don't want to research much, sat phones and SPOT are awesome. For instance, in many parts of the Alaska Range, rangers monitor family radio transmissions and broadcast weather updates on their channel. Those little radios have gotten pretty good range over the years and are used to coordinate rescues all over Denali, Mt. Forker and Huntington. There is also line of sight CDMA phone access in many parts of the states where GSM fails leaving the european climbers begging to use your phone from time to time. SPOT beacons are great though. There are 3 levels of message you can broadcast as you probably know. The mid-one is akin to saying "I'm in trouble, here's where I am but don't alert the authorities". If you're absolutely concerned with being able to consult a doctor or ranger at any time, get a sat phone. You don't have to depend on Globalstar either. Iridium is still functional and outside of North America, Thuraya is fantastic. I've used BGAN for data access in the deepest, darkest parts of the world but at $6/mb, you'll want to keep it to emails. I've also rented Iridium phones for use in Nepal. They are light, cheap-ish, rugged and still completely functional despite ownership changes. You can rent or own cheap handsets and buy minutes when you need them. If you have global rescue insurance through a club like the American Alpine Club (AAC), you can initiate an insured rescue call from a sat phone anywhere in the world or just call friends and family when you are lonely.

    Most importantly though, don't rely on technology to get you out of a jam. Avy beacons fail, GPSs die, radios don't reach people on the other end. They are all wonderful, life saving tools but odds are you won't need any of that stuff. Read the Wilderness First Responder medical book, read Freedom of the Hills, etc. Go prepared. A vast majority of the time, you'll be able to get yourself and other people help without 'calling' anyone.

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  8. No, ham radio won't work for you by tftp · · Score: 4, Informative

    As I understand, you need the radio for a purely utilitarian purpose - to talk to specific people. You are not a ham yourself (not yet, at least) and likely the people you want to talk to are not hams either (otherwise you'd ask them, not Slashdot.) This means none of you can legally (or effectively) use ham radio. This can be corrected; ham license exams are not complicated, I took three on the same day, from no license to extra, but I have radio background and I'm not new to ham radio (I was first licensed around 1980, I think.) A man from the street will have lots of problems with higher level exams unless he understands things like the theory of linear circuits, complex impedance, and such.

    You certainly can go ahead and get a ham radio license for yourself, if that is interesting to you in any way (there is more than one way to enjoy ham radio.) But you probably can't tell your friends, parents, or whoever is on the other end, to go and get a license - that's probably beyond most people's abilities, just like it is for me to learn classical dance :-) People are all different.

    However if you only want communication then getting a ham radio and license doesn't make much sense. If I want to fly from SF to Paris I don't want to study for a pilot license; I buy a ticket, and a professional pilot will do all the flying for me. It is cheaper, simpler, safer, and lets me do things that I want to do - not what I have to do.

    Technically, ham radio in emergency is the absolute best way to make a contact with another ham. Even satellites are not as reliable. Ham radio depends primarily on equipment that you (and the other guy) have. No need for expensive satellites that may or may not be in the sky or otherwise operational. There are many ham bands, and you can always find a band that works at the time of need. HF bands will work for short range communication pretty much at any time (using the ground wave.) In mountains NVIS makes sense. V/UHF is not likely to work there because distances are large, terrain - rough, and repeaters would be scarce. To be well prepared for an emergency you need to have an HF rig, and if you can do CW (at any speed) it's even better.

    An experienced ham would probably take a small transceiver with him into mountains; either HF or HF+VHF. He wouldn't need much of an antenna - any long wire would do fine at his elevation. In good conditions he'd be able to communicate with the whole USA with mere 5W; in bad conditions he'd be able to contact a local ham to report an emergency (and he'd have his GPS coordinates.)

    A new ham most likely won't be able to fully utilize the spectrum that he has access to (depends on his license.) He'd bring a UHF HT with him, and he wouldn't be able to hear anything. Also repeaters are tricky sometimes, they require PL tones and you need to know them in advance to elicit a response from a silent repeater. So you must come prepared.

    In your situation it would be safer for you if you rely upon commercial methods of communication. They are better supported and they require hardly any experience. If you need the radio only to report an emergency then you can get a beacon for that. If you want to talk to your friends from the top of a mountain then you need a satellite phone (and lots of money to pay for it.)

  9. Re:Colorado Repeater Map by bvargo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Original poster indicated that his primary area of focus is coverage in the Colorado mountains. I do not have specific first-hand knowledge of the coverage area for amateur VHF/UHF in Colorado, but this repeater map could be a good reference, though it is dated 2006. It's authors indicate that a 2009 version is for sale in print.

    A preliminary skimming indicates coverage in several mountain cities. I'm no radio engineer, but I would imagine that the Estes Park repeater would probably do him pretty good in Rocky Mountain National Park -- at least in the highlands...

    In addition to the above, there's a decent coverage map for Colorado Connection here, but some of the repeaters (especially Durango) are missing from the map. Colorado Connection is one of the larger repeater systems in the state, consisting of almost twenty linked repeaters.

    I'd still recommend a SPOT or similar system though; you never know where trouble might strike.