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Kepler Investigator Says 'Galaxy Is Rich In Earth-Like Planets'

astroengine writes "In a recent presentation, Kepler co-investigator Dimitar Sasselov unexpectedly announced news that the Kepler Space Telescope has discovered scores of candidate Earth-like exoplanets. Not waiting for the official NASA press release to announce the discovery, Sasselov went into some detail at the TEDGlobal talk in Oxford, UK earlier this month. This surprise announcement comes hot on the heels of controversy that erupted last month when the Kepler team said they were withholding data on 400 exoplanet candidates until February 2011. In light of this, Sasselov's unofficial announcement has already caused a stir. Keith Cowing, of NASAWatch.com, has commented on this surprise turn of events, saying it is really annoying 'that the Kepler folks were complaining about releasing information since they wanted more time to analyze it before making any announcements. And then the project's Co-I goes off and spills the beans before an exclusive audience — offshore. We only find out about it when the video gets quietly posted weeks later.' Although Sasselov could have handled the announcement better (and waited until NASA made the official announcement), this has the potential to be one of the biggest astronomical discoveries of our time — so long as these Earth-like 'candidates' are confirmed by further study."

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  1. brought to you by the letter.. by SpinningCone · · Score: 5, Funny

    can we just start calling them 'M' Class ?

    1. Re:brought to you by the letter.. by mdwh2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Star Trek classification system would indeed be far better than the whole "What's a planet" argument definitions we've had (which has been hard enough with just our solar system), and things like Dwarf planets etc. We have classes for stars, so why not planets...

    2. Re:brought to you by the letter.. by sznupi · · Score: 3, Informative

      But we do have it, that's the point. And "planet" simply means one type of planetary bodies already.

      Dward planet, terrestrial planet, gas giant (among them distinction between neptunes/jupiters and hot/cold), sub-brown dwarf; iron planet, chthonian planet, carbon planet, ocean planet, trojan planet, rogue planet...there's plenty of different classes.

      Now you'd want to replace descriptive and flexible monikers with rigid symbol classifications?
      OK, so perhaps, maybe, you're used to Star Trek fantasy setting, which also nicely covers most of the latin alphabet...but here, let me show you how it would look in practice:

      Class (put in one symbol from this alphabet,; /. & unicode...) Planet
      Class (put several, if some body is like that) Planet

      And you know, the best would be to just settle with what a planet was for Greeks - that includes the Moon and the Sun... - but with Star Trek classification system.

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  2. Small slip by asukasoryu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seems like the only info released was a distribution of planet size. Without planet composition, I would describe these as Earth-size, not Earth-like. It's a little early to get excited.

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    1. Re:Small slip by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can be sure that the mainstream media will fail to make the distinction between "Earth-size" and the more vaguely-defined (but more comprehensive sounding) "Earth-like". These planets are "Earth-like" in the same sense that noxious, caustic, stifling, lung-crushing Venus is "Earth-like"... if that.

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  3. Kepler by SpeedyGonz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree. Water presence? Temperature within habitable range? At least a primordial atmosphere? Not sure if Kepler is the right tool to collect that kind of data, but to call them "earth like" seems premature. Granted, if the size approaches that of earth chances are they're rocky, solid planets, but that's it.

  4. Re:Drake by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My bet is that the vast majority of those planets have run away from having a habitual environment by turning into planets like Venus or Mars.

    I'm wondering how close to Earth's size a planet has to be to be an "Earth sized" planet. Venus is an Earth sized planet, and as you say, is in no way habitable. Mars isn't that much smaller, but has little atmosphere and no magnetic field; I don't see how life could exist on a planet without a magnetic field to keep stellar radiation out.

    There are a whole lot more variables than size to consider.

    we aren't getting any visitors

    Maybe Doctor Fielgud and his colleagues will figure out that a "moon sized double planetoid" can harbor life if it has an iron core, and that oxygen isn't a poison to all species. And maybe the NASA people will start looking at satellites of gas giants around other stars. Meanwhile, that bit of fiction I linked gives a possible explanation as to why nobody's calling. Here's another bit of fiction with an alternative suggestion.

  5. Unconfirmed planets by AC-x · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kepler needs 3 transits to confirm a planet, so given that it's only been up there since March 7, 2009 any planet around the same distance as earth will only have had 2 transits max.

    It's exciting that there are so many candidates but I guess NASA doesn't want the embarrassment of getting everyone all excited then having to hugely backtrack on the number if some turn out to be something else.

  6. what a stupid situation by chichilalescu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's really sad that a discussion about the possible detection of Earth-sized planets around other stars is dressed up in "it's our data and we want to publish first" and stuff like that.
    Humanity will, one day, pay dearly the fact that scientists are forced to fight for resources...

    Anyway, this is interesting news. If computers were considered "the revenge of the nerds", I'm curious what the next few years will be called.

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  7. Re:Only one factor is in question by delt0r · · Score: 4, Informative

    If there is no faster then light method of travelling possible, then there are unlikely to be any visitors ever. End of story.

    This is quite false. You have left out a entire section of very possible developments.

    • Longevity treatments. Whats 100 years when you live for 1000?
    • "Cryo sleep" or suspended animation. No reason why it can't work.
    • "Generation ships". No reason why a big arse space ship wouldn't be a pleasure to be part of. Even if you don't care about the destination.
    • robotic overloads. You don't need AI here.

    Note that nuclear fission fragment rockets can get ~5% C. Antimatter much more... sure we aren't doing it now. But there is no physics stopping it. Unlike FLT.

    All we are missing is the desire or need to go in the first place.

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  8. Earth-like may be the exception, not the rule by Sparkycat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's great that we can now detect Earth-sized planets, but it's starting to look like Jovian moons are a more common life-friendly environment. In our solar system alone there are three, possibly four moons of Jupiter and Saturn that may be able to support life.

    Since the moons get most of their heat from the gravitational pull of their planets rather than from their star, they aren't dependent on getting lucky in the narrow "Goldilocks Zone" of a system.

    It may be that aquatic, vent-feeding moon ecosystems make up the vast majority of life in the universe, and photo-synthesizing, dry land ecosystems like ours are the rarity.