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Possible Room Temperature Superconductor Achieved

TechkNighT_1337 sends news that surfaced on the Next Big Future blog, concerning research out of the University of Bengal, in India. The report is of a possible superconducting effect at ambient room temperatures. Here is the paper on the ArXiv. (Note that this research has not been peer-reviewed or published yet.) "We report the observation of an exceptionally large room-temperature electrical conductivity in silver and aluminum layers deposited on a lead zirconate titanate (PZT) substrate. The surface resistance of the silver-coated samples also shows a sharp change near 313 K. The results are strongly suggestive of a superconductive interfacial layer, and have been interpreted in the framework of Bose-Einstein condensation of bipolarons as the suggested mechanism for high-temperature superconductivity in cuprates. ... The fact that the results described above have been obtained from very simply-fabricated systems, without the use of any sophisticated set-up and any special attention being given to crystal purity, atomic perfection, lattice matching, etc. suggests that the physical process is a universal one, involving only an interface between a metal and an insulator with a large low-frequency dielectric constant. We note in passing that PZT and the cuprates have similar (perovskite or perovskite-based) crystal structures. This resemblance may provide an added insight into the basic mechanism of high-temperature superconductivity."

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  1. Wait until it has been repeated. by BLToday · · Score: 5, Insightful

    until the experiment has been repeated by someone else, I'm not holding any hope.

    1. Re:Wait until it has been repeated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      until the experiment has been repeated by someone else, I'm not holding any hope.

      I tend to agree. This falls into the too good to be true category. Simple materials and a fairly straightforward relatively low tech process to make it reeks of cold fusion. Also showing signs of superconductivity has always been a vague statement and rather noncommittal. Saying that crystal purity didn't seem to be a factor also appears questionable since that would normally be critical to achieving superconductivity. It's a little like saying you just made a 100% efficient photovoltaic cell out of plain ole beach sand. Not real likely.

  2. ...really? by linuxgeek64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not peer-reviewed and not published = why the fuck is this on Slashdot?!

    1. Re:...really? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not peer-reviewed and not published = why the fuck is this on Slashdot?!

      Because ad revenue goes up while everybody discusses how it shouldn't be on Slashdot.

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    2. Re:...really? by nashv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because in physics, people have the good sense to let the larger community take a look before these bureaucratic procedures are finished. That is why ArXiv exists,and if Slashdot does its bit, why the hell not?

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  3. Cold Fusion by Fartypants · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This smells of Cold fusion. I was 12 when that scandal erupted and I'm *still* recovering from the disappointment that we hadn't just entered the age of flying cars. This time I think we're better off saving our excitement until the experiment has been repeated.

    1. Re:Cold Fusion by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cold fusion as reported is clearly not real. Either 2 things must be true. That the energy came from D+D->He3+p+T+n in which case the neutron radiation would have killed them both. Or that D+D->He4 +gamma , just about everything in the standard model is completely wrong, observed data from particle physics is wrong, observed data from nuclear testing is wrong, and they would both be dead from gamma radiation.

      They claimed that the power was 1 watt. A number so high that detecting the reaction is totally trivial.. for example if you are in the room for a few hours, you die without a decent piece of shielding.

      The current experiments show some interesting facts too. No one can get any decent signal above the noise, while home built fusors totally destroy cold fusion with easily detectable reaction rates (on the order of 10^6 reaction per second IIRC). Hell even diode tube neutron sources destroy them for reaction rate.

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  4. Re:Someone didn't get the memo by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it superconducts at room temperature, trust me, nobody's going to give a crap what it's made from.

  5. Re:Room Temperature in UK, maybe not in India? by RsG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is why we prefer the term "high temperature superconductor" over "room temperature". Superconductivity at 313K, if even possible, is still a damn big deal.

    And for a lot of applications, anywhere near ambient temperature is good enough. If the cooling system needed is no more complex than a home AC unit, you've removed the primary drawback/limit on practical superconductors, namely the need for cyrogenic liquids.

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  6. Re:This will later be known as... by epine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The word (and concept) of "unobtainium" goes back to the 50s at least, actually.

    If the term "unobtainium" wasn't invented by the early heyday of jet fighter engineering (circa the Korean war), I'll eat my carbon-graphite bike frame.

    My understanding is that superconductors have current limits independent of resistive effects (possibly due to magnetic field intensity). How much material you need depends on those exact limits. Even silver could be cheap as dirt if the current density is high enough.

    The other thing I've heard is that superconductors are generally discovered by observing related effects, not by measuring conductivity itself.

    There also seems to be many people here who have never heard of the black swan effect. You can't prove a black swan doesn't exist by observing a sequence of white swans. There's always a first time. This also applies to the possibility that something important is someday discovered or first published independent of peer review.

    That said, there's no point in wearing out your salivary glands unnecessarily, although I've heard it's a common ailment to overdose on visual innuendo of the possibility of doing something you're not actually doing (with dim prospects).

    For me qualified engineering porn is when the material is officially characterized in important criteria such as current density limits.

    I feel the same way about quantum computing. Still haven't seen a formula which describes the ultimate constraint (or cost) on how many qubits can be stacked together (usually the universe puts limits on salivary endeavours). It would be kind of weird if qubits prove to be as stackable as frictionless pulleys.

  7. Re:Two weeks old, no citations or trackbacks by deglr6328 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, I guess that's why he just co-authored "Unification of gravity, gauge fields, and Higgs bosons" with Perimeter Institute physicist Lee Smolin then, huh.....'cause he's just such a joke.

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  8. Re:Of course! by getuid() · · Score: 5, Insightful

    *sigh* It's even worse than that. IAAP and I was very excited to see this ... at first. The article by the way is very well written (serious science - not a crank). The problem is that the data (figure 2 in the arxiv paper - everyone should check this out btw) on which the author hangs all his hopes is seriously noisy (compared to the size of the "kink" that he superposes on the graph). In other words, if you imagine erasing the drawn-in kink, such artifacts occur several places in the data and are generally not above the noise level.

    Not necessarily. When analysing experimental data, keep in mind that it's not only the ~5 points of the kink that carry relevant information, it's *all* the points! Thus, the proper way to look at the graph would be to focus first the lower half (up to the kink), and then on the upper half, and see what's changed. If, for example, linear fits to the separate data regions give separate straight lines, this could mean that there is something in the data.

    That having been said: although IAAS (I am a scientist), I'm not a transport measurements guy and I'm not familiar with the state-of-the-art methods in this particular experimental technique... The guys improving their experimental technique would certainly not hurt at all, but for now, I'd leave it to the peer reviewers to estimate the relevance of *this* particular graph ;-)

  9. Re:Superconductivity Breakthrough! by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Guess where all (well most) serious physics publications start?

    Peer review is not as magical as you think it is.

    And as someone who peer reviews... why do i waste my time reading these papers that are only on ArXiv?

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  10. Re:Of course! by arachnoprobe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think he knows that his experimental data is crap. The note on the dirtiness of the procedures in the abstracts hints to the fact, that he put out one sample and accidentally found what could be something hyper-interesting. Out of fear of being out-published by someone else, he put out this paper, that - if this is an RT superconductor - he can (rightly) claim having discovered it (leading to wealth and nobel price). Now he can go back an do some proper experiments.