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What To Do About CC License Violations?

An anonymous reader writes "In the past, I've seen my pictures used by big commercial companies despite the Creative Commons license that clearly limits them to non-commercial use. I just let it slide because a friend who's a lawyer says that all I can do is sue. They've ignored emails and comments. Today, I saw two other examples that show this is pretty rampant. These big commercial corporations are some of the most tech savvy publications around, but they just grabbed the image. One, BoingBoing, even reprinted the 'non-commercial' clause, warning others to stay away. But they've got their ads from Cheerios, HP and Mazda running alongside. Does anyone care that we've gone to all this trouble to create new, more flexible licenses? Does it even matter when very smart people just flip the bird to the license? Is the only alternative to sue? I wouldn't mind asking for $150k and settling for $1 for each copy made, but that seems a bit crazy. I hate to type out DMCA notices but their attitude is that only uncool people complain about this and I should be happy about the publicity. Then they can be happy about not sharing their ad revenue with artists or photographers. What can I do?" Update: 08/30 18:39 GMT by T : (Very belated; mea culpa.) Cory Doctorow writes: "The anonymous submitter is not the creator of the photo. The creator of that photo is Jennifer Trant, a friend and colleague of mine who has no trouble with my use of her photo. I have just gotten off the phone with her and confirmed that she did not submit the story and also that she is happy to have this photo on Boing Boing." The photo has since been added back to BoingBoing.

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  1. Send them a bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Invoice them. If they don't pay, sue them.

    1. Re:Send them a bill by Fwipp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They would sue you in a heartbeat if they thought they could make a dollar from it. Don't let them get away with hypocrisy.

  2. DMCA? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds like one of those situations where a DMCA takedown would work...

    Wired, having y'know, actual printed copies and stuff, could probably be intimidated into an actual settlement more easily...

    1. Re:DMCA? by dave420 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because the people we hear about who get sued for copying music are not doing it for money, whereas the people in the article are large companies trying to actively profit off the images in question. I doubt you'll find many people who are arguing that copyright violation for commercial gain is OK, which is the direct analogy to the situation outlined in this article.

    2. Re:DMCA? by genfail · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am curious: If this is wrong, why is copying music (which is under a much more restrictive license than Creative Commons) not? Is it a "because I didn't make money off of it" thing?

      Genuine question here, not trying to troll or flamebait.

      Most people on /. probably would not say that full blown piracy is OK. Most of the issues with copyright law brought up here are with specific abuses of copyright, restrictive DRM, attacks on fair use, even using DMCA to attack free speech, etc. Even the hypocrisy of the music labels claiming that they are just trying to protect the rights of artists that they themselves are not paying is fair game.

      There is a big difference between wanting to crack DRM for music you legally purchased so it can be played by another device or making another Downfall parody and pirating music for the explicit purpose of making bootleg CD's that you sell for profit.

      What they are doing in this case is piracy for the explicit purpose of making profit.

  3. Why ask? by bunratty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why ask about it on Slashdot? We'll all say information wants to be free and we don't believe in imaginary property. Oh, wait, you said big corporations are ripping off your stuff? OFF WITH THEIR HEADS1!!11!!1!

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    1. Re:Why ask? by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Information doesn't want to be free.
      Some people want other people's information to be free, but that's about as far as it goes.

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    2. Re:Why ask? by The+Moof · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is not so much "My information shouldn't be free" but "stop using my works for profit when the license explicitly says for non-commercial use."

    3. Re:Why ask? by Pedersen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's giving you a taste of your own medicine.

      Wait, what? I actually don't pirate software. I don't download what I don't have permission (from the rights holder) to download. And yet, from that, you're saying it's okay to violate my rights. You're saying that it's okay to violate the rights of one party on the grounds that a second party's rights are being violated by a third party, based on your assumption that the first party and the third party are pretty much one and the same.

      Wow, and I thought I was an asshole. Thanks for making me realize how wrong I was.

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    4. Re:Why ask? by rk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You *do* realize that there is more than one person posting on Slashdot, right? And just because a lot of people are anti-copyright doesn't mean they all are, right?

  4. If you really care, sue by Joe+Mucchiello · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you don't sue, who will? Perhaps the EFF can help.

    1. Re:If you really care, sue by snookerhog · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you don't pay the lawyers, who will? Perhaps EFF can pay the lawyers.

      There fixed that for you.

      The sad truth is that like any other agreement or contract, it is only worth as much as you are willing to pay your lawyer.

  5. Re:Reprint It by kevinNCSU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "vendor" (it's a blog) isn't telling people to stay away from it, it's literally linked back to that dude's photostream and describes the license which means the vendor thinks they're following the license and doesn't think their blog is commercial use despite the ads. And he probably hasn't gotten a response back from the guy because he emailed him about a blog post that is titled Gone Fishin because the dude literally fucking left to go camping in the woods and included a photo of a hammock. Give me a break.

  6. Re:If you're not going to defend a license... by EvanED · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IANAL, but isn't that how stuff like trademarks work?

    Trademarks work that way, but copyright doesn't.

  7. Send them an invoice... by (H)elix1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The obvious thing would be to send them an invoice for a commercial license to your asset. Odds are, accounting will be more than happy to process it. No need to sue, or threaten to... Hell, you might just snag yourself a customer, if you are not careful for other assets too.

  8. Re:If you're not going to defend a license... by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're missing the point. It's not about "being nice"; if you were really being nice you'd just release it into the public domain. If you're not willing to enforce the terms of a license, then it's the same as not using one. You can moan, "But I'm using Creative Commons!" all you want, but unless you sue, from the corporation's perspective it's the same as if the material had been public domain, since they're not seeing any consequences. Submitter is trying to have it both ways, all of the protections of copyright/licenses with none of the effort. It doesn't work that way.

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  9. Re:Very annoying by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even worse, it's always the big companies that could actually afford a to pay for whatever rights necessary that dont, in my experience. Very sloppy business practices...

    Obviously. You don't get to be the biggest company around by playing fair.

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  10. CC Non-commercial license by Late+Adopter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The summary states plain as day that the non-commercial CC license was used, so if the offenders weren't using his material in the furtherance of making a buck he wouldn't have a problem.

  11. That doesn't matter by JoeBuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Boing Boing releases their stuff using a license that would prevent others from picking it all up on a different web site and selling ads. This doesn't give them the right to use others' work in a way that conflicts with the license (other than fair use, which might allow for a thumbnail link). I think that this license violation on their part was inadvertent, the author of the web page thought he was filing his personal "I'm on vacation" announcement and forgot about the ads. In the case of BoingBoing I would politely ask them to take it down, and to respect that "noncommercial" means "don't attach ads to this". The copyright holder can still decide to grant permission if asked politely.

  12. Re:Creation is rights ownership. by nmos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stealing has zero to do with "physical" and 100% to do with value.

    I think the point he was trying to make is that when you steal a physical object the owner no longer has it but when you copy someone else's work they still have their copy. These are two different things and deserve their own words. That's why we call one "stealing" and the other a "copyright violation".

    If you drain someone's paypal account, you're not taking anything physical, you're just fiddling with numbers.

    Those numbers are a representation of actual money and the person you stole it from no longer has that money to spend.

    You hurt them because you took away THEIR opportunity to make money.

    Maybe so and maybe not. Copying a song that you wouldn't have purchased anyway costs the owner nothing while taking a physical object (or money as you've pointed out) deprives the owner of that item.