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Tennessee Town Releases Red Light Camera Stats

SonicSpike links to what he calls "a transparent look at some statistics released by a small town's red-light camera program," writing "Specifically, in the last fiscal quarter, 7,213 incidents were recorded, 2,673 incidents were rejected by the reviewing officer, and 662 incidents were not processed due to technical issues or lack of information. All in all 3,878 citations were issued between April 1 — June 30 in a town of 17,000 residents. Interestingly enough there are two nearby cities claiming that individuals 'have no presumption of innocence' when accused by the red light cameras." Fines for no-harm-no-foul rolling stops bug me, and remind me of Gary Lauder's suggestion to merge stop signs and yield signs.

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  1. Re:no-harm no-foul by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it sucks that even such draconian measures don't get people to STOP RUNNING THE DAMN RED LIGHT!

    There's only one method I'm aware of which has been proven to reduce the number of people running red lights: increasing the duration of the amber light. Red light tickets merely increase accidents on the approach to the light as people slam on the brakes to stop and idiots go into the back of them.

    But North American stop lights are a disastrous design anyway.

  2. Re:"Presumption of innocence"? by Yakasha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the light is red and you drive past it, how can you in any way claim to be innocent? Bear in mind that red light cameras don't tend to trip below about 5mph, so "I just pulled into the junction to let the ambulance past" won't fly.

    Just a few:

    • The city improperly shortened the timing on the yellow light.
    • The date on the camera is wrong.
    • The camera violates anti-wiretapping laws
    • My brakes were broken
    • That isn't my car
  3. Re:Accidents at Camera Intersections go up/down? by rtaylor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The stats for some of my cities intersections clearly show a decrease in the T-Bones and an increase in rear-endings. Stats are not public.

    If you believe T-Bones are the more fatal of the two, then the trade-off is likely appropriate. Note, light timing did not change and there are 100+ intersections with camera boxes but only a handful actually have a camera installed (randomly rotated).

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  4. Re:no-harm no-foul by schon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem with just increasing the length of yellow is that people will eventually become accustomed to longer yellows, and still run the red.

    A better idea is to keep the yellow the same duration, and install a countdown timer: 20 seconds before the light turns yellow show a countdown to the yellow light.

    They've been installed in my city at a few intersections - they were originally intended for pedestrian signals, but they work *really* well for drivers - it tells you exactly how much time you have to make the light, and you can start slowing down earlier.

  5. Re:no-harm no-foul by jimmyfrank · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Hey look kids, there's Big Ben, and there's Parliament. "

  6. Re:I partially stand up by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no such thing as a rolling stop - you either stop or you don't

    Yes, you've spotted an oxymoron, good job and all, but it's not actually "rolling on through" either. There is a significant difference between a car driving past a stop sign at 30 mph and a car that slows down to 5 mph at the stop sign: one of those gave the driver enough time to make sure they weren't going to t-bone a car or smash a person, satisfying the intended function of a stop.

    It's a widely accepted term, the fact that literally it doesn't make much sense doesn't matter.

  7. Re:no-harm no-foul by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Hey look kids, there's Big Ben, and there's Parliament. "

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  8. Why not? by Posting=!Working · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't believe that every one of these cameras has not been hit by a paintball gun already. Simple, quiet, effective, makes them cost more than they're worth, and although certainly illegal, pretty easy to get away with (if you shoot at 4 am and when your light is green.)

    What ever happened to civil disobedience? So very few are willing to make a stand anymore.

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  9. Re:"Presumption of innocence"? by Mitreya · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The first one I thought it so obvious that I was making a legal right turn that I requested a hearing without my presence, figuring that the judge would get it. They still charged me.

    Sorry, what? A hearing without your presence? Are you not aware that any hearing/lawsuit is an automatic win for one party if the other party does not show up?? That's why the recommend going to contest your tickets even if you are fully guilty - if the accusing officer does not bother to show up, you automatically get the ticket tossed.
    Also, you would lose because you are showing lots of contempt for the judge by not showing up and he would actively look for a way to screw you over.