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HDMI Labeling Requirements Promise a Stew of Confusion

An anonymous reader writes "In many ways HDMI has revolutionized the way we connect devices. By unifying video and audio into a single cable manufacturers have been able to make their products easier to set up than ever before. Until recently there hasn't actually been much difference in HDMI cables. But things are about to get confusing with the introduction of HDMI 1.4. By the 1st of January 2012 manufacturers of products with HDMI ports won't actually be able to call HDMI 1.4 by its real name. In fact, come November 18 this year those selling cables won't be able to use HDMI 1.4 or HDMI 1.3 to delineate between different products. Instead cables that support version 1.4 of the HDMI standard will have to use one of five different labels. The new labels? Well, as this story explains, they're going to cause a new level of confusion for anyone hooking up a home cinema. Add to this the fact that the HDMI organisation keeps the details of its specifications secret, and translation between version numbering and marketing-speak will be well nigh impossible."

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  1. My only question is... by boneclinkz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will my $600 gold-plated monster superconductor cable support the new standards?

    1. Re:My only question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why take the chance. Just buy the new $800 version and you'll be good to go!

      8-)

    2. Re:My only question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think that Denon cable is even better than my now previous favorite, - Best buy sells a fiber optic patch cord with gold connectors to enhance signal quality. Wow.

    3. Re:My only question is... by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 5, Interesting

      FTFA: By unifying video and audio into a single cable manufacturers have been able to make their products easier to set up than ever before.
      And you HDMI is basically DVI in a better form factor.

      I'm going to disagree with both of these statements. To the first, I almost had to toss the bullshit flag.

      First, by tying the audio into the cable, it really ties my hands with how I want to design my system. Perhaps I want to run the audio to a receiver or processor first instead of to my television? Well, I'll have to have a receiver that handles HDMI, or I'll have to split the audio out of the HDMI cable and send that to the receiver.

      My PC has horrid issues with HDMI, since most video cards did not support audio over HDMI, you could run DVI to a HDMI port on your TV, or straight HDMI... but then your television would tell your computer that it supported Audio over HDMI and your video card (NVIDIA in this case) would turn OFF your audio ports except over HDMI, of course, since my card didn't support audio over HDMI, it just output a 0 for the audio signal. I had to hack the drivers and EDID in order to trick my computer into thinking my display couldn't support HDMI audio. Every time I want to update my drivers, I have to edit the driver. This issue has been around for years, was fixed in some driver versions, reverted in others.

      This is only a problem because of the convergence of audio into HDMI, and it is only the tip of the iceberg when you consider all of the potential issues that people can encounter.

      As for the connector itself...
      No, I much preferred DVI (Thumbscrews were great especially if you used a laptop) HDMI has a horrid connector that puts a lot of pressure in the wrong places and is easily dislodged.

      Please give me my distinct audio and video cables back, I hate having a bottleneck.

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    4. Re:My only question is... by mr_lizard13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why? Will your tv and blu-ray player stop working when this new cable comes out?

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    5. Re:My only question is... by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you want to split the audio from the picture you can still do what everyone else does with a home theater system (or those of us with surround sound). You use the old RCA ended plugs or optical sound out from the TV/satellite box/cable box/blue ray/DVD/whatever device into the sound device. My old CRT TV has audio out. This thing is from 1996. Most TVs today have a way to send the sound to a separate device. The exact setup will be determined by what equipment you have.

      As for PC's video look at the video card driver and how it is supposed to be setup. Nvidia uses a connection from the sound card (on board or card) to the video card to send the sound through the HDMI cable. ATI does it through software (according to what I have read). DVI does not have sound, only video. If you use a VI to HDMI cable (or adapter) you will only get picture and no sound. If you do have a separate system for sound this should not be an issue. Send the picture to the TV and the sound directly to your sound system. Isn't that what you are looking for in the first place?

      Also the combining of functions to have fewer cables makes one's wife/girl friend happier. Fewer cables usually means less clutter.

      I thought that display port was taking over from HDMI? I see many devices not just video cards with display port as an option.

    6. Re:My only question is... by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Marrying audio and video to one cable is much like getting an all-in-one desktop.

      If you want to upgrade a single component, you have to upgrade everything. This severely limits your options for future upgrades.

      People are already being bit in the butt by what HDMI does or doesn't support on a particular piece of gear.

      HDMI certainly beats component cables. It doesn't really beat VGA or DVI.

      Changing things from how they've been done for decades will likely more than anything just confuse people.

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  2. Yes by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 5, Funny

    and so will your coathanger.

    1. Re:Yes by schon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, I believe he was referring to this, in which audiophiles couldn't tell the difference between monster cables and a coathanger.

  3. Somebody at Monster Cable... by Petersko · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...just jizzed all over his monitor.

  4. Re:Remember kids by boneclinkz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I once feigned ignorance (not much of a feat for me, in most things) and asked a Best Buy employee what was better about the $100 HDMI cables. He said two things that I thought were amazing*.

    1) My Playstation3 was not going to look as good on the $20 cable, because all the colors could not go through the cheaper cable fast enough.

    2) The more expensive cable uses a better conductor metal for "better frequency".

    *I don't really fault an employee that's making $8 an hour with no commission for talking out his ass, I just thought this was funny.

  5. Closed captions, hello? by awtbfb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can live with confusing names if they get around to supporting closed captioning data like they are supposed to. They misinterpreted the legal requirements for closed captioning as it being something which is handled by set-top boxes rather than TVs and elected to not transmit the data. HDMI's own FAQ makes this position clear. However, the law is quite clear that the TVs are required to render captions. Unfortunately, people use devices other than set-top boxes to push content to the TV. If you need captioning, you can't use HDMI with Blu-ray disc players or other devices.

  6. Re:And what will future versions be called? by Nkwe · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a few years presumably some even higher bandwidth specification will come along - no problem if they used version-numbers, but once you have labelled the first generation "standard" and the current generation "High Speed" what're you going to be left with to use next and not end up looking stupid?

    "new higher speed", "max speed", "ultimate speed", "super more ultimate than ultimate speed", "I Can't believe its not high speed... speed"?

    Ludicrous Speed

  7. Re:Wow... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hell, as far as I recall, HDMI was the one that locked down everything with DRM and would no longer work with older devices.

    Please, please stop spreading this bullshit, and start correcting people when they repeat it.

    How hard is it to tell the difference between HDMI and HDCP?

    HDMI -- DVI plus audio, maybe plus ethernet, in a neater form factor.
    HDCP -- encrypted video signal, which works over DVI just as well as over HDMI.

    If you're currently using DVI instead of HDMI because you're afraid of the DRM, you're a moron. Again: It's just DVI which is easier to plug in. It doesn't do DRM unless your video card, OS, and monitor all agree to do so.

    I'm sorry if I'm overreacting, but EVERY FUCKING SLASHDOT ARTICLE that mentions HDMI, there's at least two people who confuse it with HDCP. That's like refusing to buy a DVD burner for backup because you're afraid of DRM on DVDs.

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  8. Re:Remember kids by sidb · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm gay, and my A/V system is better than yours. But my cables came from Monoprice.

  9. Re:Remember kids by alanebro · · Score: 5, Funny

    I worked at Best Buy in highschool. We had an ongoing competition of: -Whenever someone was interested in a ps2, try to get them to buy an XBox. -Whenever someone was interested in an XBox, try to get them to buy a ps2. Good times.

  10. Re:Remember kids by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would have asked him how a passive cable knows which bits in the stream are the colors.

    A prism's also passive, and it knows how to separate colors. The wires just do the same thing, right?

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  11. Re:Remember kids by tophermeyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't forget the all important "playing games" category where retailers try to come up with the most outlandish explanations for the premium widgets and compare stories in the breakroom. I understand it stems from the unending boredom of the job.

    Ha! I used to work part time at the electronics section of a big box retailer during college. Obviously we weren't individually commissioned, but our store manager would reward us with food and free crap if the department posted good sales numbers. We used to really enjoy pulling off outlandish justifications for fun and profit. We would even refer distrusting customers to our "cabling specialist" for more information. At the time, we felt like we needed to have fun with it to stay sane.

    Now grown up me wants the chance to meet up with the smart-ass 19 year old me and punch me right in the face for trying to sell me junk.