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DefCon Contest Rattles FBI's Nerves

snydeq writes "A DefCon contest that invites contestants to trick employees at 30 US corporations into revealing not-so-sensitive data has rattled nerves at the FBI. Chris Hadnagy, who is organizing the contest, also noted concerns from the financial industry, which fears hackers will target personal information. The contest will run for three days, with participants attempting to unearth data from an undisclosed list of about 30 US companies. The contest will take place in a room in the Riviera hotel in Las Vegas furnished with a soundproof booth and a speaker, so an audience can hear the contestants call companies and try to weasel out what data they can get from unwitting employees." The group organizing the contest has established a strict set of rules to ensure participants don't violate any laws. Update: 07/31 04:45 GMT by S : PCWorld has coverage of one of the day's more successful attacks.

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  1. This is refreshing by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's nice to see the hacker community making a move to acknowledge its roots. Social engineering is the oldest and easily the most challenging/rewarding form of real hacking.

    What's more gratifying, beating the password out of a hash after weeks of brute force or having the mark just tell you in a five-minute phone call?

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  2. I feel sorry by blantonl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I feel sorry for the poor fish in the barrel that gets shot on this one.

    Unwittingly, right now, some guy/gal is sitting in their cubical and is on the cusp of getting the phone call that thrusts them into the international spotlight when the tape of the winning team's efforts is played. They might even lose their job for doing nothing more than, well, doing their job, or answering a harmless set of questions.

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  3. Re:Rules and Do-Not-Do list by rotide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not everything needs to be about obtaining damaging information. Imagine talking to a random stranger and trying to solicit information from them. It's not as easy as it sounds.

    Seriously, try this some time, just go up to a stranger and get their middle name. It will be harder than you think in most cases, if not impossible.

    Social Engineering is a skill. You have to be very good to go under the "what the fuck does this guy want" radar. You have to be able to read people without seeing them and be able to think very quickly in a very dynamic situation. Again, all while staying under their radar.

    Getting confidential, personally sensitive, or business critical information isn't the point nor appears to be the goal. Merely being good with your social skills (and we're talking a special breed of nerds here, no offense to them though), no great with them, is the point. Having a laundry list of weird and/or "not normally given out" information and trying to gain it, that's going to be hard.

  4. Re:If they go to my bank... by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They probably won't have to do much. They've sent a letter stating that my personal information has gone missing three times in two years.

    And yet you continue to do business with them. It's pretty obvious why they don't have to do much.

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  5. No, this is good by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If anything social engineering is THE weakest link in the security chain. Let the geeks handle the hardware security but people really and truly need to keep having it pounded into them that they always need to be vigilant and to recognize these attempts.

  6. Re:I can verify this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wait, so what do the higher-ups expect you do on ordinary days when Defcon isn't running? Be less vigilant and answer any and all questions posed? What silly advice. What's a good precaution in the week of Defcon should be good *all*of*the*time*.

    All they're really trying to avoid is potential embarrassment if something gets in the news.

  7. Re:Rules and Do-Not-Do list by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Insightful

        [ignores you like a homeless guy asking for a dollar for more booze and walks away]

        Good try.

        "Excuse me sir, I'm with the [state] joint anticrime taskforce." [flashes official looking id printed up not long before] "We're performing random checks on the citizens in this area. May I see a photo ID?"

        [citizen hands him his drivers license].

        "Thank you Mr " [reads last name from ID] ". We've already had several instances today where criminals have attempted to run when asked for their identification. Have a wonderful day. We appreciate your cooperation."

        His middle name was Henry. He was born October 28, 1955.

        I know, in the game you're not allowed to pretend to be from a government agency. It just made this easier. If you're digging for personal information, you just have to craft "who" you are to be something where they'd want to hand over the information without asking too many questions.

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  8. Re:I can verify this by Dhalka226 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That doesn't mean it's not worth occasionally reiterating, especially when there's a specific reason to believe there may be an increased chance of something happening.

    It's not like they're spending millions of dollars to defend it or something, just sending a few emails.