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Like Google's Chrome, Mozilla To Silently Update Firefox 4
CWmike writes "Taking a page from rival Google's playbook, Mozilla plans to introduce silent, behind-the-scenes security updating to Firefox 4. The feature, which has gotten little attention from Mozilla, is currently 'on track' for Firefox 4, slated to ship before the end of the year. Firefox 4's silent update will only be offered on Windows, Mozilla has said. Most updates will be downloaded and installed automatically without asking the user or requiring a confirmation. 'We'll only be using the major update dialog box for changes like [version] 4 to 4.5 or 5," said Alex Faaborg, a principal designer on Firefox, in the 'mozilla.dev.apps.firefox' forum. 'Unfortunately users will still see the updating progress bar on load, but this is an implementation issue as opposed to a [user interface] one; ideally the update could be applied in the background.' Unlike Google, Mozilla will let users change the default silent service to the more traditional mode, where the browser asks permission before downloading and installing any update."
I like that a lot of what makes Firefox different from Chrome is due to the "we'll let users decide how they want it" approach instead of just telling them how it's going to be done.
Mozilla is stealing our freedoms with communist security updates!
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
I get more complaints from family and friends about "slow computers" than anything else, and usually these are all about silent background updates in the end. It's damned near impossible to explain to someone that's not computer literate what and update is, how it's affecting their computer, why it's necessary that the update gets installed, etc. They don't even know what Firefox is ("You mean my Internet?") much less any of the other things. Even my wife struggles to comprehend why there's always an update running; she tends to think I'm lying or dismissing her concerns. Every single application running on her computer does silent background updates:
Windows
Office
AntiVirus/Firewall Software
Adobe Flash Player
Adobe Reader
Sun JRE
Nero
Skype
etc.
Even tiny little apps from the vendor do this... Volume control, display control, trackpad control, blah, blah...
Another background process running automatic updates each and every icon in the tray and for each and every folder and application in the Start menu, as well as for browser plugins, third party configuration tools/extensions, drivers, etc.
At the very least they should try to display a notification somewhere on the screen saying "Updating XYZ, may slow your computer..." each time they do this, rather than silently saturating an internet connection (as 10 different updaters are in competition with one another), a CPU, and/or a hard drive's activity.
STOP . AMERICA . NOW
This is problematic on slow links where every byte is precious (dial-up)
This is problmeatic on expensive links where every byte costs money (satellite, cellular)
This is problematic in managed environments where the end user does not have write-permission to the filesystem containing the software
I hope it can be disabled.
At the risk of being /. assassinated, I have to say that I agree with this. Particularly because it is possible to disable such a feature.
Non-techie people don't get a thing about browsers, updating, security, etc. The medium-techie usually want to be all updated, so will update to even RCs and Betas if they find them out. Techie guys, us, do whatever they want, but I believe that they want to be in control and know what's going on -- thus, they'll disable such feature.
But especially for the non-techies, this is a way of getting free security upgrades. The upgrades will probably be carefully chosen so that there are no compatibility issues -- and if there are, non-techie to medium-techie users won't care that much.
All in all, it is good for people who don't care, and enables us who care to keep things the way we want it.
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This is not necessary. Linux distributions come with package managers and update systems that take care of upgrading everything on your system including your browser.
This kludge is only brought to the Windows version, because there is no coherent system to update third party software and the popups got old.
I'd love to be able to actually deploy and maintain Firefox in the large enterprise that I work in. Users want it. Unfortunately, users don't have admin rights, and Mozilla makes applying updates and configuring the browser from a central location difficult and has a history of not thinking about and actively shooting down any proposals which would potentially benefit system administrators trying to support Firefox.
I don't get why they don't get it.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
If things break, users probably won't be able to fix them without calling someone for help. It's easy enough to check whether there has been an update.
My mom, for example, frequently fails to tell me of important events like software updates when things stop working. Instead she just tells me that "the Internet stopped working today" and other vague things like that. I have to dig to find out that she upgraded such and such, or disabled this or that.
So I say either you are savvy enough to turn off silent updates, or at least check to see if there's been an update, or you aren't savvy enough for knowledge of updates to be useful to you directly.
How stupid! Show the user the dialog box, and put a checkmark on it which says (approx) "Don't notify me of these updates anymore, just do them."
J'aime mieux les méchants que les imbéciles, parce qu'ils se reposent. -- Alexandre Dumas
"And I hope it can be disabled"
Read the summary.
Who exactly is running their web browser with the privileges required to install an update?
Virtually everyone.
Can you name five security updates in the last two years that actually broke functionality for you? Not that my installation base is that huge, but I can think of maybe two updates out of hundreds where some level of functionality was actually lost to the average user.
Silent updates is the reason why I received a 30 euro phone bill for a few minutes.
I was on holiday, and let a friend use my laptop and telephone to send an important email (it was party invitation, nothing more important than that). And of course... I forgot to displace all things that would silently try to update whatever they could when a network connection was found. Withing a short time, a few megabyte was downloaded. And mobile data from a foreign country is more expensive than HP ink.
So please mozilla, provide a nice toggle though the preferences screen to change this, an not through a about:config option.