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Obama Wants Allies To Go After WikiLeaks
krou writes "Coming on the back of human rights groups criticizing WikiLeaks, American officials are saying that the Obama administration is pressuring allies such as Australia, Britain, and Germany to open criminal investigations against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, and to try limit his ability to travel. 'It's not just our troops that are put in jeopardy by this leaking. It's UK troops, it's German troops, it's Australian troops — all of the NATO troops and foreign forces working together in Afghanistan,' said one American diplomatic official, who added that other governments should 'review whether the actions of WikiLeaks could constitute crimes under their own national-security laws.'"
His self righteous brainless disclosure of classified information that was stolen needs to be stopped. He is not some great hero for posting Classified Information. That material was deemed Classified by an American Government that was duly elected by American citizens, and anyone who thinks that Governments which are duly elected have no right to Classified Information from which they can make informed decisions and honestly record and report information to our elected decision makers is some sort of mindless Anarchist. He was not elected, he has no earthly right to be the one to expose information that he might think is worthy of being exposed. Lives have been lost, lives will be lost because of this Clown - the Taliban and Al-Queda are thanking this tool! It's a war for god's sake, people get killed in wars and sometimes the wrong people get killed in war. The United States military goes way out of it's way to keep from killing civilians even though the enemy has no problem blowing up civilians and shooting at allied soldiers while hiding behind women and children yet this Wikileaks Clown thinks our side is the problem. Should he be in charge of deciding the fates of American and Allied soldiers? Should he and some idiot brainless soldier who leaked this info be the one in charge of deciding how many other Afghan civilians get killed because their information was leaked as well? I don't think so. Put this guy in jail where he belongs.
Enjoy your Karma, after all you earned it. Feel your Karma Joe, feel it burn.
First of all, I never once said "Think of the troops." It would be more accurately paraphrased as "Think of the innocent civilians you have outed."
Secondly, someone with an opinion that doesn't subscribe to your conspiracy theory is not a troll, although it is a convenient straw man when confronted with reason and logic.
Similes are like metaphors
Money aka power is the prime motivator of war?
Tell us something we don't know sherlock.
While the prevailing hacker ethic is that "information wants to be free," that doesn't mean those acts do not have consequences.
Dead NATO troops are dead people. Dead local collaborators are dead people. People are dying and more will die because of Wikileaks.
And what was proven by Wikileaks? That all wars have dubious "reasons" except for the basic reason, which is one monkey clobbering another so that a social order stands.
It's a social fashion to oppose anything our governments do, but at least in America, these are my friends and neighbors out there fighting -- and endangered by the Wikileaks document release.
Hang 'em high for treason. Bradley Manning, at least; I don't know where Assange is from but a little time in an American prison should instill in him a healthy respect for the need to fight, or be anally subjugated.
Futurist Traditionalism
How about those informants that were outed by these documents. Once the Taliban get done "cleaning up" these leaks, there will be that much less information available to out troops. Information like this can save lives, but outing such informants whose families will be tortured and messily killed will cause others who might have been a source of information to keep quiet.
Maybe you enjoy seeing a pregnant wife whose head has been cut off and her baby hacked out of her belly to scare off other informants, but I wouldn't like to have that on my conscience. But, you're obviously a Democrat, so anything to eliminate our troops is a very good thing, right?
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
They are not zombies that mindlessly and randomly kill (I'm imagining something out of Robotron 2012). If you cannot understand your enemy, you will never be able to defeat them.
-Clio
Karma: Bad (mostly from not giving a fuck)
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why dont we just do it right.
Call Pakistan: round up all the taliban they got and deliver them to us in 7 days. if not we carpetbomb your entire country starting with every rich persons house and government offices, we offer a $10,000,000 bounty on each government officials head payable in cash as well.
figure out the general area we know the taliban are hiding and bomb the crap out of it for 30 days straight.
We honestly could have NUKED a country the week after 9/11 and the world would have not blinked.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Can string a sentence together without making up words or stumbling over words with more than one syllable.
Only because a teleprompter has them assembled for him.
I'd rather have someone who can speak with just a few key points jotted down.
Has not prematurely announced 'mission accomplished' when the mission is barely started.
Unless you factor in every single thing he's said about economic recovery.
Actually seems to give a shit about health-care for other-than-the-rich.
You mean the money grab for insurance companies and big pharma he signed off on?
Someone who gave a shit about health care would reduce costs and offer more choice instead of forcing people to buy into an increasingly expensive system.
Thus far at least, he hasn't shot anyone in the face, and then had the victim apologise (!)
It's true that none of the Afghans shot down by predator drones have come back to apologize. So he's got that going for him.
Doesn't, to my knowledge, keep a man-sized safe in his office. Always been curious about the 'man-sized' thing...
So your saying Obama is better because he's more insecure. Nice.
Doesn't support the indefinite holding of suspects without charge in internment camps.
He's still doing it, so it's pretty obvious in fact he does. You believe everything politicians tell you?
Guantanamo bay is an indelible stain on the Bush/Cheney years.
Hint: still open for business.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Bush/Cheney. For conducting an unauthorized war of aggression contrary to the Geneva Conventions and the United Nations Charter. Authorizing and ordering the use of torture, contrary to the Geneva Conventions. Ordering destruction of civilian infrastructure of no military significance, contrary to the Geneva Conventions (a charge which also would apply to Clinton and Bush the Elected). Allowing use of white phosphorus and other banned weapons, contrary to the Geneva Conventions and Chemical Weapons Treaty. Allowing the military to attack hospitals, contrary to the Geneva Conventions. There's a start for you.
Keep in mind that the Constitution of the United States declares treaties signed and ratified by the federal government the "supreme Law of the land". Bastards should have been impeached, imprisoned and then remanded to the World Court, or even better extradited to Iraq.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
When it enables the speaker to pay less, it's a fair share.
When it enables the speaker's favourite causes to suck on the public teat, it's a fair share.
Really, you didn't know this?
That would be Dealey Plaza and as can be demonstrated in the case of Mr. Michael King Jr (alias Dr. Martin Luther King Jr) assassination is a really stupid option politically. (The only exception to that rule might be in the case of military dictators.) Killing a leader only makes martyrs, victims and underdogs. If the truth had gotten out about King when he was alive, he would have been disgraced out of the history books. After all, his doctoral dissertation was plagiarized (but since he was already dead and a celebrated hero, it was decided that it was in no one's interests to rescind his PhD... no one's interests except for maybe those who earned their PhDs legitimately and honestly.) More than that, his father's name was Michael King... his name was Michael King Jr. Where they got Martin Luther from? Well... "Mr. T" wasn't born as Mr. T either. And morally, he was certainly no idealist using his foundation's money for personal use and keeping multiple mistresses and fathering illegitimate children? If someone wasn't stupid enough to have him killed, his own lifestyle would have been his undoing.
What do all of those countries have in common? No immigration whatsoever. Well, France allows immigrants in but then marginalizes them into their own immigrant ghettos where they will never become part of society and occasional riots break out because of this.
Socialism along with uncontrolled (illegal) immigration = bankruptcy on a national scale. Coming soon to the United States.
By some estimates, anyway: Peaceful Demonstration.
It got pretty much 0 press and had pretty much no effect. When the government owns the schools, the press, and most of the private sector, your country start to look uncomfortably like Soviet Russia.
people, armed, and descending on seats of government with the intent to kill treasonous legislators, judges, and executives, after deciding that no other recourse for their grievances was possible
Helicopter flying high,
the sound of gunfire;
falling leaves.
You can't take the sky from me...
12% in Sweden against less than 10% of population in USA. So what about find another excuse?
Bzzt! Wrong try 11.8%(in the US) and we shall see what the latest census figures show before we start quoting that less than 10% number. Oh, and is Sweden's immigrant population larger than the entire population of one of its neighbors? Huh? Didn't think so.
I laughed at the weak who considered themselves good because they lacked claws.
"Supporting the troops" is simply a way to voice that you understand that they are in harm's way on your behalf
Really? Please, explain to me how the current wars are in any way defending my freedoms or this country.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson