New Sandbox Framework For Chromium Released
Trailrunner7 writes "As applications have become more and more complex in recent years and Web browsers have evolved into operating systems unto themselves, the task of securing desktop environments has become increasingly difficult. And while there's been quite a bit of innovation on Windows security, advances in Unix security have been less common of late. But now, a group of researchers from Google and the University of Cambridge in England have developed a new sandboxing framework called Capsicum, designed specifically to provide better security capabilities on Unix and Unix-derived systems (PDF). Capsicum is the work of four researchers at Cambridge and the framework extends the POSIX API and introduces a number of new Unix primitives that are meant to isolate applications and users and handle rights delegation in a better way. The research, done by Robert N.M. Watson, Ben Laurie, Kris Kennaway and Jonathan Anderson, was supported by Google, and the researchers have added some of the new Capsicum features to a version of Google's Chromium browser in order to demonstrate the functionality."
Chromium is the community project from which Google Chrome is derived.
The browser. TFA states somewhat incoherently that it isolates javascript execution and if google is using javascript in their OS, their not google.
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Is this supposed to be the Google Chrome browser? Or do they mean literally a browser in their upcoming OS Chromium?
Last line of the summarized article:
he researchers have added some of the new Capsicum features to a version of Google's Chromium browser in order to demonstrate the functionality."
Third link from Google, third party description.
Chromium Web Browser
I'm relatively new here. Is this how most people are on this site?
The point being sandboxed applications which deal with unknown, insecure content (i.e. the web) can keep said content from affecting anything outside the sandbox.
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I'm relatively new here. Is this how most people are on this site?
Yes, it's considered SOP not to read TFA around here. The real hardcore don't even bother reading TFS either.
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The REALLY really hardcore don't even bother reading the comment they're responding to
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These are major and invasive changes to POSIX. No reasonable person would expect to be able to do things like change PID semantics or shared memory. Yes, it might solve the problem that they sought to solve. But I would be very surprised to see this meet with any large-scale deployment. It's better to work with the system than to just arbitrarily decide Unix is wrong and rewrite it.
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I'm astounded that you - or anybody else would agree with RIAA's heavy handed tactics. For shame.
Chromium is the open source version that Chrome, the proprietary browser, is built on. (Basically, they take Chromium, add codecs they can't legally include in Chromium, maybe a little branding, and release it as Chrome.)
The same is true of the OS -- the only reason it's "Chromium OS" is that the actual "Chrome OS" hasn't been released yet, because the community version isn't done yet.
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Y'know, I'm really glad Google wants to provide a new API for managing security. We need somebody to do this for us - somebody who really knows security, somebody who may as well have security as their middle name, to come out with an API framework for Mandatory Access Controls, preferably built right into th operating system kernel of a major distribution.
Yes, I'm really glad Google took the initiative on this.
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"Web browsers have evolved into operating systems"
No, they haven't, calm down.
I think he means that they have become application environments, giving access to all the fundamental services of the underlying operating systems, through their own API and security models, with their own set of bugs.
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Until someone comes up with a specially crafted PDF... ;)
Web browsers have evolved into operating systems unto themselves
Really? I am unaware of a (common) browser that is able to do much more than work with data...
Let's try to leave the the analogies used to educated luddites out of summaries intended for people that *KNOW* the difference between an OS and an application.
There are certainly many companies out there that want your OS to be nothing more than a web browser. That way they can sell software as a service. For things like Google Gmail, Google Calendar , Google Docs, etc. Microsoft is slowly moving in that direction as well. Its much more profitable to sell based on usage or per month, rather than selling you a perpetual license. Many businesses are moving towards the desktop being little more than a terminal with the applications actually running on a centrally manager Terminal/Application/Web server.
What I'd want is a way to have more control over the program. Maybe put it in a sandbox and trick it into thinking it's got full privileges even though it's really sandboxed so it won't crash or maybe just set advanced settings for that specific application to disallow it from writing to specific registry/files/network/other process' memory.
Which is... umm... pretty much exactly what Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows Server 2008 can do.
He's referring to low integrity processes. It's only really exposed in the Windows API. But you can start a low-integrity process two ways AFAIK:
/setintegritylevel low It will always start with the new privileges set from now on.
/trustlevel:0x10000 notepad.exe to start it at whim with low privileges.
1. Modify the image header. icacls notepad.exe
2. Do runas
Here's a screen capture of what happens to the latter when you try to access the user's desktop: http://i38.tinypic.com/wbs1vo.png.
Microsoft's evil tends to revolve around vendor lock-in and unfairly stomping on their competitors. Google's evil revolves around Big Brother type information gathering.
Microsoft's evil also involves outright lies, and the concept of "FUD" was pretty much invented, I suspect, to describe Microsoft.
Google, by contrast... "Big Brother"? Have you read 1984? Google likes to gather information, yes -- and like Facebook and everyone else, they only gather information from people who willingly donate said information, or from information already in public spaces.
Unlike Facebook and everyone else, they have a track record of, in the very worst example I'm aware of (wireless snooping), gathering more information than people think they should -- by accident. By contrast, Facebook employees have been known to casually browse people's private information, and otherwise abuse user data.
What are you proposing? To do a binary diff between the compiled open source version and Google version? Followed by disassembling and analyzing the diff, probably without debugging symbols?
Actually, I was proposing to wait and see, or to observe the behavior of the browser itself, and then disassemble and otherwise reverse engineer the parts that look suspicious.
Firefox seems to manage.
By having, say, youtube.com/html5 not work at all. Yeah -- they "manage" by not supporting, either directly or through any sort of extension framework, the most popular video site on the planet. Surprisingly, Safari seems to be the only browser taking a sane approach -- they delegate to QuickTime, which is essentially the OS X media framework, and support any codecs they find, so there's nothing stopping users from installing theora codecs if they like.
Of course, one of the results of this is that YouTube has further incentive to continue to use Flash, because Flash works in Firefox, but HTML5 with h.264 doesn't. Which do you think is the lesser of two evils?
Perhaps Google could help by using non-patented formats on YouTube.
There are several problems with this.
First, most video is, unfortunately, shot in h.264. Since I don't particularly care about obeying software patents covering codecs and file formats, I prefer to keep media in as close to the target format as I can, and only re-encode when I have to. You can do that with YouTube -- you can upload the video that your camera encoded to h.264 (in hardware!) and it's quite possible YouTube won't re-encode it for the high quality version.
So, this not only applies to their entire library that they'd have to re-encode, it also applies to pretty much all new video.
Second, only Theora might be open. Google does have WebM, and they have (hopefully) released it, but it's too close to h.264, and still manages to be inferior in many ways. You just get worse quality for the same amount of bandwidth, and that likely means millions of dollars of bandwidth for YouTube to maintain the same quality.
I'm not saying I have a solution to this, and I certainly don't like it. But refusing to play is not a solution.
Besides, I'd prefer people actually be informed of the patent bullshit they're paying for, in one way or another.
I'd prefer people be informed, but "This doesn't work, let's go back to IE and Flash" isn't the way to inform people. Realistically, it seems like this goes only a few ways:
Sadly, Safari has had the way out the entire time -- delegate this stuff to the OS. Windows has DirectShow, OS X has QuickTime, Linux has GStreamer. Use those, and you get both licensing and hardware acceleration for free.
In fact, I've
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