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MagicJack Moving To Smartphones
robo45h writes "The late night infomercial VoIP company magicJack is moving into the smartphone space. The competition there is really going to be interesting. We have the likes of Skype and other VoIP companies competing against the wireless carriers still selling over-priced voice calls. It's such a big battle that the recent Verizon / Google Proposal specifically excludes (provides a loophole for) wireless. This has been brewing since cell phones added data capabilities, but it's coming to a head now." Free calls sounds nice, but it's worth noting that not everyone's happy with MagicJack's EULA.
It's about time the phone companies recognized that phone calls are just data passing through their networks.
I know they don't want to be seen as purely "bit carriers" which don't add much value, but that's what they are.
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Unfortunately, being roaches isn't really a distinguishing characteristic in the telcomm sector. It's just that MagicJack is the sleazy looking guy in the cheap suit, with his Hawaiian shirt open to show gold chains nestled in greasy coils of chest hair, while most of the established operators are no more honest; but can afford a decent tailor and a storefront that isn't in a scamhole like Florida.
Abusive EULAs, mandatory binding arbitration kangaroo courts, spying for commercial and other purposes, are all standard features in the telcomm field. MagicJack just has no taste at all about it and can't seem to afford the veneer of respectability and impenetrable legal verbiage that their better established competitors can.
"We have the likes of Skype and other VoIP companies competing against the wireless carriers still selling over-priced voice calls."
I didn't realize these were wireless services. I thought they required a computer to work. I currently pay $0/month and 18 cents per minute (VirginMobile) - is Skype really cheaper than that, once you include the cost of the bits used?
Wireless internet costs me about 7 cents per megabyte streamed. How many megabytes does the Skype use per minute? 1/2? So about 3.5 cents per minute of Skyping, plus 2.1 cents charged directly be Skype == 5.6 cents.
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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
My buddy uses MagicJack and his voice goes in and out constantly. It's like calling someone on a cell phone that is in a dead spot. Anyone else experience this?
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the article: ... in Palm Beach, Florida."
MagicJack, a cheapie $20-a-year internet phone service, comes with a shriveled and shaking devil EULA: "Any claims, legal proceeding or litigation arising in connection with the magicJack device or Software will be resolved by binding arbitration
These kinds of clauses are nullified by law. Paypal discovered that during their litigation, when huge sections of their EULA were struck by the court as being over-ruled by consumer protection laws.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
considering the EULA stuff, plus the amout of first posts I've seen in the past few days on slashdot, I would call this both funny and insightful.
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http://www.fcc.gov/cib/consumerfacts/numbport.html
Background
Under the Federal Communications Commission's (FCC's) "local number portability" (LNP) rules, so long as you remain in the same geographic area, you can switch telephone service providers, including interconnected Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) providers, and keep your existing phone number. If you are moving from one geographic area to another, however, you may not be able to take your number with you. Therefore, subscribers remaining in the same geographic area can now switch from a wireless, wireline, or VoIP provider to any other wireless, wireline, or VoIP provider and still keep their existing phone numbers.
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the article: ... in Palm Beach, Florida."
MagicJack, a cheapie $20-a-year internet phone service, comes with a shriveled and shaking devil EULA: "Any claims, legal proceeding or litigation arising in connection with the magicJack device or Software will be resolved by binding arbitration
These kinds of clauses are nullified by law. Paypal discovered that during their litigation, when huge sections of their EULA were struck by the court as being over-ruled by consumer protection laws.
I found out the hard way such things only apply if you can get a lawyer. The law is largely for people that can aford it. There's two actual justice systems in this country, Civil and Criminal. Civil law is based on lawyers. You have the right to represent yourself but your odds of winning are low.
Let's keep things in perspective here. Magicjack is a $20 product with service that costs up to $1.67 month. For $40 you get the hardware, with a money back guarantee (if you don't trust MagicJack directly, buy it from Best Buy or Radio Shack) and a full years of unlimited phone service. How much litigation / arbitration rights do you need. Who is going to file a lawsuit for $40.
I bought a MagicJack and it has worked great for me. I like it a lot more than Skype.
Sure, the informercialness of the product is really cheesy but it appears to be working for them.
I am looking forward to see what MagicJack comes up with next. More competition seems to be very good in the telecommunications space.
are you speaking of the anti-trust lawsuit started in 2007?
where can you get a data only plan? on a smart phone in usa any ways? without pay high fees? and even then 5gb or lower cap and after the cap it's like $10 a gig and some ports are blocked as well.
But what is the point if you are being capped on data? What incentive is there for the phone companies to even care since they control the data? What incentive is there for me to use it and burn up bytes towards my cap instead of just using cell minutes? ( well, in my case i have been grandfathered in with unlimited, but you get the point )
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No I'm talking about the case Paypal already lost sometime around 2004 (which was before Ebay acquired them). The court set-up three tiers of award: ~$75 for class 1 which included everyone, ~$250 for class 2 that had documentation showing Paypal stole the client's money, and class 3 for people who lost thousands. Their claims would be reviewed individually by the court.
Hopefully I'm remembering the details correctly. I fell into class 1 and had about 75 dollars deposited to my paypal account, which I then withdrew to my bank account.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Skip to 6:45 to hear about MagicJack:
http://boingboing.net/2010/04/04/npr-on-slapp-lawsuit.html
considering the ... amout of first posts I've seen in the past few days on slashdot
You'd think every single article would have a post that came before all the others.
When you're afraid to download music illegally in your own home, then the terrorists have won!
VirginMobile sells pure data plans for phones or computers (via a USB antenna). $20 for 300 megabytes or $40 for 5 gigabytes
Cricket Broadband - their plan is $40 for 5 gigabytes of high speed, and unlimited dialup speed
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Wouldn't it be easier if their EULA just stated "You agree that any claims, legal proceeding or litigation arising in connection with the magicJack device or Software will be resolved by us ignoring you."
I've spent time cleaning up systems infected (yes, infected) due to MJ's mandatory advertising.
Having an attacker exploit an ad system is something all advertising networks have to deal with at one time or another.
Magic Jack is simply much less stringent about their requirements and have almost no followup
As such, Magic Jack may as well be classified a trojan.
I won't say that I wouldn't install their software if you paid me.
Fact is, I would, if the sum was large enough.
VMs are cheap afterall.
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We've had MagicJack for about 6 months.
I have it running on our entertainment center PC. Voice quality is OK. Sometimes people will call and noone is there, and there are other slight flakiness problems, but it is definitely worth $20 a year for unlimited long distance and local calling. I ditched Vonage, which was costing me $29 a month, for the service, and it is saving me roughly $300 a year.
My biggest complaint is that when you get a call or make a call the magicjack software interface pops to the foreground, interrupting whatever television happens to be being watched on the PC at the time. Kinda neat as you get caller ID that shows up, but annoying when the kids are watching TV and you have to go and push the media player to the front again whenever there is a call.
Another problem is frequently a Microsoft update will reboot my computer but the magic jack doesn't start unless I actually log in, which means people can't call us until I go and log into the computer.
All in all, I think it's a good service. Well worth $20 a year.
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I'm making the switch from Comcast to MagicJack for my so-called pseudo "land line."
I have it running on a cheap Fit-PC Slim that is running the MagicJack software only, nothing else. I figure the $235 I spent for the Fit-PC Slim will be paid for pretty quickly due to (a) saving $25/month when I get rid of my Comcast line, and (b) running the MagicJack on a dedicated PC that sips power (it runs on only 10 watts!), rather than on my main PC that is an i7 behemoth with tons of cooling, etc. I can turn off my main PC when I'm away from it.
I have MagicJack voice mail messages e-mailed to my Gmail account, and from there I have a Gmail filter set up that sends a text message to my cell phone when a MagicJack voice mail comes in.
My Fit-PC Slim is remotely controlled from my main PC, so does not need a mouse, keyboard, monitor attached.
The MagicJack interface and the ads on the side of the window don't bother me because (a) I'm not using the interface at all; the MagicJack PC just sits there and does its job, functioning as a phone, and (b) I installed MagicBlock and MagicWho? to make it as invisible as possible.
So far, so good. The sound quality is at least as good as my Comcast line if not better. I'm hanging onto my Comcast line for a little while pending some more testing, but am expecting to get rid of it soon. Looking forward to the cost savings.
I've never used a consumer level voip service/program that sounded that great or surpassed even cell phone quality. Good maybe 90% of the time, but the 5 was filled with stutter/hiccups/dead silence.
Honest question here though. Has anyone used a good VoIP solution over 3G? Any have a blackerry/android/iPhone app?
Anybody have experiences to share?
I especially find statements in a EULA that say it's illegal to do this or that. Since when have the commercial segment of society became the legislative branch of the government? Companies can't make laws, law makers make laws. I rarely read through a Eula, They are ridiculous e-Tomes that look like they were run through some crazy software that just takes every word in a sentence and spits out bloated sentences with every possible synonym for every word in the sentences. Mind-Numbing and the worst sleeping pills I ever read.
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Providers like voip.ms and callcentric offer decent service with DID termination. voip.ms is about $2/month and $0.005 (half a cent) per minute. They support g.729, PCM and GSM codecs, and follow SIP standards (ie. they work on Linux)!
I switched two family members from landline services to Ooma last year, and have been extremely pleased with the results. You buy a ~$240 Analog Terminal Adapter to connect analog phones, and never pay again for US calls. The sound quality is better than Vonage, it's certainly a lot cheaper, and if you Upgrade to their Premier service, you get 2 lines, call screening, an iPhone app that lets you make calls using your Ooma account, and some other things that weren't really worth it for us. It seems like their business model is more solid than MagicJack, without the annoyance of being tied to a PC. My recommendation is to purchase the older Hub/Scout package as opposed to the newer models - there are fewer fees (I think all new users have to pay something like $12/year for regulatory charges), and you can use whatever devices you like. The primary downside is what to do when the device dies (which thankfully hasn't happened yet). Their customer service isn't bad, either. Had to call them about porting a number, and it took a while, but they got it right without bouncing me from person to person in India.
Sounds decent, but $240 is pretty steep when you can get an ATA for ~$50 now. Combo that up with one of the dozens of SIP providers, and you've got basically the same thing, but with a cheaper $1-10 or so monthly bill depending on use and provider. Also, you're using standard SIP service which means it works with any other SIP device or interconnect.
If you want to get fancy you can combo Google Voice with SIP Sourcery and a free incoming SIP provider like sipgate, and if you don't care about E911 location service, do away with the monthly fee altogether.
It's interesting to see the different business models the companies are using to try to actually make money off of the exponential price crash of voice phone service. It seems like Ooma's model works best for customers who buy, then immediately stop using the device, or people who need to buy a new device at least every 2-5 years or so.
... neither of which are GSM, so you can't use your own device. At least the Wikipedia page on Cricket says they will (do?) support an Android phone.
T-mobile has a data-only SIM for $40/month with a $35 activation fee. They claim "No overages! (After 5 GB, data speeds may be reduced)."
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/cell-phone-plans-detail.aspx?tp=tb1&rateplan=Even-More-Plus-webConnect-Overage-Free
Are you sure about that? Their website says $40 for 1GB, $60 for 5GB:
http://www.virginmobileusa.com/mobile-broadband
I'm sorry, I'm having a lot of trouble understanding this.
Magicjack, a VOIP provider, is now going to allow users to make VOIP calls through their smartPHONE? Why the fuck would you use this if you have a smart PHONE. Given that most data plans for smartphones are way more expensive than the talk and text part of the plan, wouldn't it make more sense to... oh, I don't know, just make a fucking phone call?
I fail to see how this could serve any purpose whatsoever.
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The problem is that the wireless phone companies have built themselves into a trap. They charge for phone calls with the assumption that they are going to get the bulk of their money from that. As people move to VOIP usage, the phone calls will end and they will be left with far less revenue.
Same thing with wire line providers - as Vonage and other data-driven systems take over the idea of a "phone" will be quaint and obsolete. Of course this means you have Verizon providing service so Vonage can eliminate Verizon from the marketplace.
What a lot of people don't seem to understand is there will likely be a day of reckoning coming along. T-Mobile is paid by voice calls and charges little for data plans. If the voice calls stop and everyone has few or zero minutes they will be faced with some tough choices, as will every other carrier. They can raise prices on data plans to recover the revenue. They can scale the company back drastically to continue operation with the smaller amount of revenue. The last choice would seem to be pretty obvious - they can just fold up operations and find some new business to invest in.
I expect most of the wireless companies to either scale back drastically (no more stores, just online sales for example) or cease operation entirely. If there isn't any money in it, and there will never be any more money in it, there isn't any point in continuing. Same thing with the wire line providers. Once the revenue reaches a low enough point, I don't think they are going to be able to continue.
Of course, what nobody ever asks is what happened to people that actually needed a buggy whip after automobiles came out?
I haven't used it myself but NetTalk (www.nettalk.com) offers a product similar to MagicJack but has no requirement to connect it to the PC (but you can if you want).
the article: ... in Palm Beach, Florida."
MagicJack, a cheapie $20-a-year internet phone service, comes with a shriveled and shaking devil EULA: "Any claims, legal proceeding or litigation arising in connection with the magicJack device or Software will be resolved by binding arbitration
These kinds of clauses are nullified by law. Paypal discovered that during their litigation, when huge sections of their EULA were struck by the court as being over-ruled by consumer protection laws.
Basically it means unless they break a law, or violate some consumer protection statute, you can't sue them. So for example if you're just pissed off about their customer service, no lawsuit. If you're pissed about it not working very well, you might be able to sue under "product fitness" or even "false advertising" laws.
So how many people have noticed that in their "instead of paying $X a month, pay $Y a year!" commercials, the savings is actually only like 24 cents a year? Wow, that's totally enough to motivate me to switch RIGHT NOW.
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This used to be a desktop machine, and I had multiple accounts for various family members.
Now that it is the "TV computer", I will delete the other accounts and take the password off of the default account.
Still like the MagicSilence application though.
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