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Toshiba Claims Bit-Patterned Drive Breakthrough

CWmike writes "Toshiba will detail a breakthrough in data storage later Wednesday that it says paves the way for hard drives with vastly higher capacity than today, reports Martyn WIlliams. The breakthrough has been made in the research of bit-patterned media, a magnetic storage technology that is being developed for future hard disk drives. Bit-patterned media breaks up the recording surface into numerous magnetic bits, each consisting of a few magnetic grains. Under a microscope, the magnetic bits look like thousands of tiny spheres crammed next to each another. Data is stored on these magnetic bits: One magnetic bit can hold one bit of data. Prototypes of the media have been made before but Toshiba says its engineers have, for the first time, succeeded in producing a media sample in which the magnetic bits are organized into a pattern of rows."

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  1. oh really? by Yoweigh116 · · Score: 0

    Bit-patterned media breaks up the recording surface into numerous magnetic bits, each consisting of a few magnetic grains. Under a microscope, the magnetic bits look like thousands of tiny spheres crammed next to each another. Data is stored on these magnetic bits: One magnetic bit can hold one bit of data.

    Just like every other hard drive! Hooray for the future!

    1. Re:oh really? by Abstrackt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bit-patterned media breaks up the recording surface into numerous magnetic bits, each consisting of a few magnetic grains. Under a microscope, the magnetic bits look like thousands of tiny spheres crammed next to each another. Data is stored on these magnetic bits: One magnetic bit can hold one bit of data.

      Just like every other hard drive! Hooray for the future!

      "Toshiba says its engineers have, for the first time, succeeded in producing a media sample in which the magnetic bits are organized into a pattern of rows."

      Just like every other hard drive! Oh, wait...

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    2. Re:oh really? by blai · · Score: 1

      notice where it says: "One magnetic bit can hold one bit of data."

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    3. Re:oh really? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm really exited to hear this:
      Toshiba expects the first drives based on bit-patterned media to hit the market around 2013.

      When was the last time we heard about a new tech breakthrough that wasn't followed up with "5 to 10 years" ...Though it might be 5 years by the time the price drops enough for the avg consumer.

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    4. Re:oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No worries! It'll still take 5-10 years, or longer. They just realized people like you hated hearing that, so they said 3 years instead to get you all excited.

    5. Re:oh really? by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So basically, they reinvented the hard-sectored disk? *confused*

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    6. Re:oh really? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      "Toshiba says its engineers have, for the first time, succeeded in producing a media sample in which the magnetic bits are organized into a pattern of rows."

      Just like every other hard drive! Oh, wait...

      No, that would be magnetized areas read in circular columns.

    7. Re:oh really? by blair1q · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but this one has sectors one bit long.

    8. Re:oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you're suffering from the fatigue due academia spamming the slashdot, especially those from MIT.

    9. Re:oh really? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      When was the last time we heard about a new tech breakthrough that wasn't followed up with "5 to 10 years" ...Though it might be 5 years by the time the price drops enough for the avg consumer.

      The first hard drive using a read head based on giant magneto-resistance was commercially released about 10 years after the effect was discovered.

  2. But can they afford it? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

    I've heard that patterned media will be too expensive to ever mass produce profitably so the industry will probably use HAMR instead.

    1. Re:But can they afford it? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Who did you hear this from, a guy in a bar? Give us some details man, inquiring minds want to know. Wikipedia says Seagate is talking about a combination of patterned media and HAMR, but both technologies appear to be years into the future.

  3. I'm not a hardware guy by Some.Net(Guy) · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So how is this any different than existing HDDs?

    1. Re:I'm not a hardware guy by nacturation · · Score: 2, Funny

      So how is this any different than existing HDDs?

      This is a hard drive on speed, known as ADHD (Advanced Digital Hard Drive).

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    2. Re:I'm not a hardware guy by Some.Net(Guy) · · Score: 1

      I mean from a technical standpoint, what's the difference between how this works vs how current HDDs work? I thought that currently data is already stored magnetically...

    3. Re:I'm not a hardware guy by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 0

      So how is this any different than existing HDDs?

      I'm guessing existing HDDs aren't bit-pattered.

    4. Re:I'm not a hardware guy by atmtarzy · · Score: 2, Informative

      From what I read in the article, it looks like Toshiba's reduced the number of magnetic grains per bit from a few hundred down to just a few. Otherwise it appears everything is the same.

    5. Re:I'm not a hardware guy by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      RTFA, it's enlightening, not all that technical, and not TLTR. And you really should learn how the hardware works; writing software is a LOT easier if you understand the underlying mechanics.

    6. Re:I'm not a hardware guy by Inner_Child · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but there will be a million regular HDDs for sale that are mislabeled as ADHDs...

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    7. Re:I'm not a hardware guy by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      ADHD? Any relation to Toshiba's other advanced technology HDDVD?

      >>>One magnetic bit can hold one bit of data

      Why? Telephone modems can store 8 bits per symbol. Surely there must be some method to encode more bits per chunk of magnet.

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    8. Re:I'm not a hardware guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, but we can probably count on SONY to introduce similar, yet more controllable, technology, and push Toshiba out of the game.

    9. Re:I'm not a hardware guy by pandaman9000 · · Score: 1

      You are thinking about it kind of wrong. At the physical layer, one bit. At the software layer, it can and maybe will be a symbol or other compression done by ASICs. The difficulty with compression is that more data comes up missing per bad sector/bit of media.

      I am speaking in general terms because I am very removed from industry specific knowledge of hard drives.

    10. Re:I'm not a hardware guy by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Telephone modems operate at the hardware level too, and yet store 8 bits per transmitted symbol.

      It should be possible to do the same with the magnetic symbols on a disk, if the head could read the "level" of the magnetism (from 0 to 255) at each location. Even if we could only do levels 0 to 3, that would allow us to encode 2 bits per spot on the drive instead of just 1 bit.

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  4. One magnetic bit can hold one bit of data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who could have guessed it.

    1. Re:One magnetic bit can hold one bit of data... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that current HDDs use a wider area of surface to write the data too as compared to this.

  5. Bit = Binary Digit by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 0

    Which moron marketer named these tiny magnetic domains "bits"? It's bad enough we already can't tell whether a "megabyte" is binary or decimal. Now we can't tell whether a "bit" is physical or virtual.

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    1. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's your problem? I'm not upset. Not even the slightest little bit.

    2. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by Americano · · Score: 1

      If there's a 1:1 correlation between "number of physical bits" and "number of virtual bits"... does it really matter? "Megabyte" being binary or decimal matters, because they're different sizes with the same name - a "binary" megabyte (1024^2 bytes) and a "decimal" megabyte (10^6 bytes) hold different amounts of data.

      A "physical" bit on this storage, and a "virtual" bit in memory hold the same amount of data, from what the article says... so why would this cause all kinds of confusion? One is the physical implementation, one is the software representation of it.

    3. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      It's bad enough we already can't tell whether a "megabyte" is binary or decimal. Now we can't tell whether a "bit" is physical or virtual.

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    4. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      psssst

      See how I used the word bit there to describe something really tiny? Maybe that has something to do with its referencing the physical "bit". As in, it overlaps both the digital bit and the physical bit. /whisper

    5. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by sexconker · · Score: 1, Troll

      It's bad enough we already can't tell whether a "megabyte" is binary or decimal. Now we can't tell whether a "bit" is physical or virtual.

      A megabyte always has been and always will be binary-based.

      MB is not an SI scalar, nor did it ever pretend to be, nor is it conflicting with the SI scalar M.

      The only confusion comes about when you try to insist that MB is infringing on some sacred, arbitrarily-based notion that all major scalars must be factors of 1000.

      The "classical" units and scalars are themselves ambiguous. What does M mean? Meter? Mass? Minute? Mega? Milli? What does G mean? Gram? Giga? The gravitational constant? Is K kilo? Is it the spring constant? Is it Kelvin?

      You can impose all the capitalization and styling rules you want, but the bottom line is that people cannot distinguish the 17 ways you write the letter "u", nor will they replicate them easily or reliably.
      People read technical descriptions in context.

      When you see MB, you KNOW you're talking about megabytes, and you KNOW bytes are binary. If you fail at this, you're either a marketer for storage devices (liar), or you should not be working with computer-related things.

    6. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by DeKO · · Score: 2, Informative

      For the uniformed: with today's technology, a 1:1 correlation between data bits and magnetic "bits" is nearly impossible. We have to interleave data bits with clock bits, so we are able to count runs of equal bits. So the data bits are encoded on this interleaved stream of data and clock/sync bits before it is actually stored in the physical medium. If the bit-patterned layout doubles as a clock/sync mechanism we can store only the data bits (with error correcting codes too, of course).

    7. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by Americano · · Score: 1

      Interesting to know - but as a mostly uninformed sort... is this an argument for using some sort of other term for them, or does this suggest that there is NOT a 1:1 correlation between physical bits and virtual bits?

      I'm not clear on what you're trying to say here, other than to share this info about how it works.

    8. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by hairyfeet · · Score: 0, Troll

      Well I can see why the guy would complain, after all marketing drones fucked us with the whole "Megabyte" bullshit in the first place. For those that are too young to remember once upon a time we didn't have that "Gibi" bullshit, because frankly we didn't need it. Everyone knew a byte was 8 bits, so everyone knew base 10 didn't apply in computers, being binary and all.

      But then came the "Race to 1Gb!" which was trumpeted by the PC rags and which the marketing drones knew would make whichever storage company hit it first a truckload of cash. so some asswipe in marketing gets the bright idea "Hey, if we go by base 10 instead of base 2 like everybody else, we can say our drives are bigger than they actually are! we'll make a fortune!" and now we have guys here arguing with a straight face that we should do it like the marketing drones even though a byte is STILL 8 bits.

      So as long as it stays a 1:1 ratio, I have no problem with it. But if some marketing asshat figures out a way to fudge the numbers to make their drives look bigger again I say we take them out back and stone them with old Deathstars as a warning to the marketing drones not to fuck with our numbering systems again.

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    9. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by arth1 · · Score: 1

      You don't think they've bit off more than they can chew with a bit in their mouth?

      Whether they call it "bit" or "mite" is rather irrelevant, IMHO, as long as it doesn't lead to another stupid acronym. What's important is that it isn't ambiguous, and it doesn't seem to be.

    10. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Parity bits and other similar forms of error correction need physical bits, but don't provide any virtual bits to anything outside the drive itself. The number of (accessible) virtual bits will be lower than the physical number. On the other hand, a drive with built-in compression would offer more virtual bits than it has physical ones.

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    11. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by DeKO · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is not a 1:1 correlation, but there might be now. With all physical bits being data bits we could gain up to 100% more data bits on the same area.

    12. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by clem.dickey · · Score: 1
      Everyone knew a byte was 8 bits, so everyone knew base 10 didn't apply in computers, being binary and all.

      Parent has history backwards. Disks were invented, and measured in megabytes, back when bytes were not necessarily 8 bits and computers were not necessarily sold as "binary" machines. The typical disk record was 80 bytes long, since it came from a Hollerith card. The IBM 1401 was typically sold with 4K bytes of main memory. Four thousand 6-bit bytes.

    13. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by blair1q · · Score: 1

      We'll call them phybibits and vibibits and then you won't have to worry.

    14. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by mlts · · Score: 2

      I'm sure the next thing will be the bits (in base 10 of course) that are available before the ECC, clock bits, sector relocation table, and other niceties are put in. Similar to raw capacity versus formatted capacity, except before the critical HDD functions are factored in.

    15. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're an imbecile.

      It was always base 10, everything works nicely in base 10, except your crappy PC software.

      10GigE, despite your fantasy that "base 10 didn't apply in computeres" is 10 000 000 000 bits per second.

      The endless rants about how disks "should" use a different measuring system are bullshit.

      Yes, RAM comes in binary rounded quantities. That's because the RAM chips are made in binary rounded quantities. Notice how they made 256MiB DIMMs, not 250MiB or 300Mib? That's because they're inherently binary. But disks aren't. That's why you don't have a 256GiB disk, but most likely a 320GB or 240GB. The sizes depend on non-binary factors like the platter size.

      So, buy binary things in binary quantities, and for everything else don't be a jerk and pretend you're entitled to more than you paid for.

    16. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by AstrumPreliator · · Score: 1

      Well if we want to get pedantic, and we do since this is slashdot, a byte isn't always 8 bits. An octet would be 8 bits. So I suppose it should be Gibi Octets or GiO for gigabinary octet rather than GB for gigabyte.

      Of course if someone hands you a computer I'd suggest you place money on a byte being 8bits. Chances are it is. Also, I'm not seriously suggesting we start using KiO, MiO, GiO, etc... Just poking a little fun at the industry.

    17. Re:Bit = Binary Digit by c0lo · · Score: 1

      I'm not upset. Not even the slightest little binary digit.

      Here, fixed that for ya! Now should be totally and unambiguously clear for tech nerds too, you linguistic oriented geek!
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  6. I read TFA by Megahard · · Score: 5, Informative

    They claim that this will increase the density 5x.

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    1. Re:I read TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damnit... how about a spoiler alert tag next time!

    2. Re:I read TFA by noidentity · · Score: 1, Troll

      I read TFA. They claim that this will increase the density 5x.

      Actually, the article actually only claims about a 4x increase (actually only 3.62):

      Toshiba's sample media is still in the prototype stage, but is built at a density equivalent to 2.5 terabits per square inch. Contrast that with Toshiba's current highest capacity drive today, which is based on existing technology and has a density of 541 gigabits per square inch or about one fifth that of the new technology.

    3. Re:I read TFA by Superdarion · · Score: 2, Informative

      uh... 2.5tb/541gb = 4.62 (technically rounded up to 5)

      Learn to use the calculator, dude.

    4. Re:I read TFA by noidentity · · Score: 1

      You are ignoring the word "increased". They increased the density by 3.62x. Think about it; if they increased it by 1x, that would mean the new density was double the original. Thus an increase of 2x would be 3x the original, and... an incease by 3.62x would be 4.62x the original.

  7. Also by carrier+lost · · Score: 0

    Whatever happened to bubble memory and optical buses?

  8. What video do we get this time? by IICV · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm kind of curious; after the "Get Perpendicular!" video, how's Toshiba going to top Hitachi in the "silly video explaining your new technology" race?

    After reading TFA, I'm almost scared that it'll involve some sort of cartoon magnetic grain orgy.

    1. Re:What video do we get this time? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Whatever it is it cannot be worse than "the hard drive is the new bling" that Hitachi did. Look that one up... it is heinous. It could only have been worse if they had done it in blackface.

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    2. Re:What video do we get this time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      At least it's not a breakthrough in Heat Assisted Magnetic Recording. I can just imagine a 'HAMR Time' video.

  9. Very, very small isolated domains by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's really quite obvious. Current drives have continuous media. Put very simply, this tends to "smear out" the magnetic field, because there is no magnetic break between the N and S poles of one bit, and the poles of another. This has two bad effects: unreliable bits (location in space), and the possibility that bits will simply flip as the head passes over them. By isolating very, very small domains in a structured way, with nonmagnetic regions between them, the problems are avoided since the bits, being isolated from one another, will not be subject to domain creep or interference.

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    1. Re:Very, very small isolated domains by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The spherical description in the article is very apropos; the boundaries between bits are more discreet, meaning they can pack the bits much more densely than before. That's the breakthrough.

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    2. Re:Very, very small isolated domains by mattack2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you said exactly the opposite of what you meant to say.

      If the boundaries between the bits are more "discreet", then they are more hidden.

      If the boundaries between the bits are more "discrete", then they are more distinct, and presumably will interfere with each other less often.

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    3. Re:Very, very small isolated domains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha, you're always so fun. Thank you, Nazi-Man.

    4. Re:Very, very small isolated domains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But from an engineer's perspective, if I build something with discrete components, that means I'm using individual components (transistors, diodes, resistors) instead of an all-in-one package IC.

      His comment made sense to me; discrete as in separated.

    5. Re:Very, very small isolated domains by mattack2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      His comment made sense to me; discrete as in separated.

      He said DISCREET, not DISCRETE.

    6. Re:Very, very small isolated domains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was clear in context, there is no need to call him out and make a discreet difference between discrete and discreet, especially since they have the same root word.

      But then again, you used your discretion to not use discretion, and decided to point out the discrete difference between discreet and discrete anyways. (all misspellings intentional)

    7. Re:Very, very small isolated domains by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      >> His comment made sense to me; discrete as in separated.
      >
      > He said DISCREET, not DISCRETE.

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    8. Re:Very, very small isolated domains by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      So, are you saying that not only will the capacity increase but the reliability will increase as well?

    9. Re:Very, very small isolated domains by mattack2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I "called him out" because he was saying almost exactly THE OPPOSITE of what he meant to say. I wasn't picking on a simple typo or common misusage ("it's" when "its" is proper), but a time when the wrong word choice could cause confusion for the reader.

    10. Re:Very, very small isolated domains by noname444 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're not being very discrete in the way you're handling this.

  10. how this differs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    here is a link which might explain things more clearly

    http://www.bentham.org/nanotec/samples/nanotec1-1/Piramanayagam.pdf

    1. Re:how this differs by Cochonou · · Score: 1

      This is really a good paper. Thanks !

  11. Advancing the Past by harlequinade · · Score: 0

    The 'next big thing' in HDD's was supposed to be Solid State...So what are these numchucks doing improving what's now seen as the past??

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    1. Re:Advancing the Past by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Because HDDs aren't the past and aren't going away anytime soon? It's no different than the fact that 3.5" floppies and tape drives and tapes are still sold despite being proclaimed as being "the past" and dead.

    2. Re:Advancing the Past by city · · Score: 1

      If it lights a fire under both their asses to get to the market at an affordable price, who cares?

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    3. Re:Advancing the Past by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because solid state's main hold back has always been capacity. Magnetic media capitalizing on it's main selling point isn't unexpected.

      Besides, I see the future is being a mix. Solid state for my boot drive containing all my programs and such. Magnetic media for my Bittorrent and iTunes drive where I need space but not speed (afterall write speeds to those drives are limited by my dirt slow internet speed, and read speads only have to be quick enough to keep up with playback).

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    4. Re:Advancing the Past by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1
      Because it's also the present?

      I make $N million a year selling hard drives. But wait! Flash drives are the future! I don't need to spend any money making my hard drives better; I'll just sit out the last 5-10 years' worth of profits in that business. Someone else can have them; I don't mind. Really. No worries at all. It's only money, after all.

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    5. Re:Advancing the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SSD's have a speed advantage, HDD's have a size advantage. If this works and is mass-producible, it would make HDD's a lot larger. There will always be a need for mass storage, and SSD's won't replace that anytime soon (or ever?).

    6. Re:Advancing the Past by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However the smart hard drive vendor would realize that spinning platters are headed out the door, and that they should invest in solid state technology, lest they be left in the dust. There's nothing really stopping the availability of high capacity SSDs except cost. You can already get 1.28 TB SSDs with insane speeds (1.1 GB/s read, 1.5 GB/s write), if only you're willing to pay the cash. As prices come down, there will be no reason to get a spinning platter drive. Notice how all the SSD makers are not the big HardDisk makers. They should be shaking in their boots, because a large part of their business is going to go away within 5 years. If spinning platter makers don't change something soon, their market is going to be reduced to a small fraction of what it was.

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    7. Re:Advancing the Past by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      My write speed is usually limited by the fact that some large memory program gets swapped out to disk, and needs to get swapped back in. Or Some other app that has nothing to do with what I really want to get done decides to start thrashing the hard drive. If all everyone ever needed was to play mp3s, or watch a video, without doing anything else, we wouldn't need solid state drives. But once you start doing stuff that's quite intense on your drive, you start to realize why it would be nice to have a drive that can read faster for all your data. Once SSDs get up to around 2TB, people won't care about how large hard drives are. Because for the most part, SSDs will be big enough, and most people don't want to shell out and buy 2 drives.

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    8. Re:Advancing the Past by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Tape drives, sure. 3.5" floppy drives? Seriously?

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    9. Re:Advancing the Past by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      However the smart hard drive vendor would realize that spinning platters are headed out the door

      Like 3.5" floppies and tapes, right? Oh wait...

    10. Re:Advancing the Past by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Yes, those markets have been completely decimated by other storage solutions. Sure some floppy disks are sold, but the number of disks has taken a drastic hit in recent years. I imagine the same is true for tapes. People will still buy hard drives for many years to come, but if the only thing you sell are spinning disk hard drives, like Western Digital and Seagate, then you should be really worried, because while the market won't dry up over night, over the next 5 years, the market is going to diminish.

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    11. Re:Advancing the Past by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Yes.

    12. Re:Advancing the Past by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      but if the only thing you sell are spinning disk hard drives, like Western Digital and Seagate,

      Oh Rly?

    13. Re:Advancing the Past by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Once SSDs get up to around 2TB, people won't care about how large hard drives are.

      Yes, and 640k is all that anyone will ever need.

      Meanwhile, there are already those of us that not only imagine a use for more than 2TB
      of disk space are actually using much more than that already. Just let granny loose with
      a hi def video camera and watch that disk space quickly disappear.

      Already still cameras seem like something to inspire an Odo rant from DS9.

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    14. Re:Advancing the Past by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Spinny disks just upped the ante here by a factor of 5.

      Meanwhile, serious SSD's might become cheap enough for a consumer to consider eventually...

      Knowing that something like "entire movies stored on your computer" is inevitable someday is one thing. Expecting it tomorrow is another.

      Sometimes it takes 10 or 20 years for reality to catch up.

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    15. Re:Advancing the Past by DRJlaw · · Score: 3, Funny

      Obsolete 2TB spinning platter device = $99.99
      New hotness 640GB flash device = $14,500.00

      There's nothing really stopping the availability of high capacity SSDs except cost.

      Oh, well then... There's nothing really stopping me from being the next Governor of California. Jump on the bandwagon for my inevitable victory!

    16. Re:Advancing the Past by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      I can still buy Atari 2600 systems, accessories, and games.

      Doesn't mean shit.. its still dead tech, just like the fucking floppy that you think isnt dead.

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    17. Re:Advancing the Past by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      In the past, there was always some exponentially bigger media file people werent storing yet.

      But today not only are we storing movies, we are storing them encoded at state of the art resolutions in the native format that they are available at commercially. We can increment up with twin-stream stereo video (aka 3D), and maybe a few doubling of resolution. There just isnt any orders-of-magnitude storage demand increases on the movie storage front.

      Previously, there was always some next exponential thing that wasn't handled. From Text to Images to Audio to Movies. Its always been media driving the storage needs of desktops.

      My question to you is simply this.. what is the next exponential demand? There isnt any media left, so I think you are just grasping at the "640K" meme at this point.

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    18. Re:Advancing the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reality has already caught up. I have 100 movies on a drive, in addition to 30 something complete TV series, and ~3000 songs.

    19. Re:Advancing the Past by Superdarion · · Score: 1

      With SSDs prices and lower capacities, HDD still have room to grow a little bit. If you can get a 3.5" HDD with whooping 10TB of space for 300usd or whatever they price it at, HDD will still be a viable choice for a long time, specially for desktop PCs.

    20. Re:Advancing the Past by DeadboltX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The smart hard drive vendor would realize that spinning platters are not going anywhere, especially in large enterprise situations where a LOT of money is to be made, and that if you increase the density of the platters (5x according to TFA) then you can also increase the performance of the drive to possibly match or exceed the sequential read speeds of current SSD.

      Spinning platter HDD are not going anywhere until SSD prices become CHEAPER per byte than regular HDD. Regular HDD technology is still improving, as witnessed by this article, and there is no telling when it will slow/stop, or when SSD technology will slow/stop. It is perfectly conceivable for technology to get to a point where SSD can no longer increase in capacity without increasing physical size, while spinning platter may continue to increase capacity with the same form factor. It is also possible that spinning platters may some day greatly exceed the performance of SSD.

      You sound like the kind of person who would be surprised to hear that tapes are still widely used for backing up and archiving data.

    21. Re:Advancing the Past by Kjella · · Score: 1

      In the beginning, SSDs were ridiculously expensive because it was for early adopters and others with plenty money to spend. The prices were in freefall and people were making extreme extrapolations based on that. But then the bottom hit in that this many flash chips makes a rather expensive bill of materials. I bought my SSD in April last year. The same model is still on sale for 83% of the cost and the cheapest SSD of same size is now down to 65% of that cost.

      At those rates it will be many, many years until SSDs can compete on cost/GB because they're still about 8 times as expensive. Yes, there are plenty other reasons why SSDs are great but it'll take not only the 25nm process shrink Intel is making the end of this year but probably also the 18nm process - which is still very much in the research lab - before SSDs really hit it big. Right now there's huge differences between controllers because companies are still figuring this out. But in the slightly longer run, it's flash production that'll really determine the fate of SSDs.

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    22. Re:Advancing the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, the smart hard drive vendor realizes that 2tb drives are much more attractive then 128gb drives that are a little faster but 4x more expensive. I will agree that when SSD matches HDD on price per GB, then SSD will take over the market, but I am thinking that is another 5 years now at least. And 5 years from now HDD makers will find another way to cram more data for cheaper costs. Also, consider that slapping 4 or 5 cheap HDD into a RAID surpasses the performance of any SSD solution on the market and blows them away with insane storage capacities.

      SSD's are great drives for performance laptops where you can't put more then one drive in the case, but any smart desktop builder these days realizes that for the money, HDD can be faster and considerably higher in capacity then SSD, which is why HDD isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

    23. Re:Advancing the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on previous advances it seems unlikely to me that a 5x increase in density would give rise to anywhere near a 5x increase in throughput. See for example http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/1tb-hdd-storage,2563.html
      Fundamentally a spinning disk has a disadvantage in seek times, and that is a key metric for day to day uses. It's clearly very unlikely in the long term that SSDs will have inferior performance in any way when you consider the relative maturities of the two technologies, and the R&D money being spent on each.

    24. Re:Advancing the Past by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Spinning platter HDD are not going anywhere until SSD prices become CHEAPER per byte than regular HDD.

      SSD needs to become cheaper per byte, yes. But not to the extreme of becoming cheaper then magnetic media in order for it to take off. At some point, it will become "cheap enough" to become useful to a wider range of customers.

      Right now, we're a bit above $2/GB for MLC-based SSD while magnetic drives are in the 0.07/GB to 0.12/GB range (3.5" 1TB $70 or 2.5" 500GB $60). Which is about a 16x cost difference right now. And magnetic drives have a price minimum of around $40-$50, below which you won't find units for sale at retail. There's a base materials cost to be dealt with along with the prices of the rare earth magnets and circuitry.

      So, on the $/GB side, SSD has a long way to go. But what about the fuzzier "big enough for practical purposes"? Well, that's probably in the range of about $1/GB or maybe 0.50/GB. When you can get a decent amount of storage in something that costs less then $100 to $150. A decent amount of storage varies by person and by purpose, but for general PC usage that is not heavy on multimedia recording/editing, something in the 100-200GB range is the current sweet spot.

      I think, if you could drop a 200GB SSD for $100 or $150 into your laptop, most people would jump on the chance. Even if there was a 1TB magnetic for about the same price. The performance increase of using the SSD over the magnetic would vastly outweigh the storage capacity of the 1TB unit.

      But, the 256GB units are still around $600 ($2.34/GB). So we're definitely not there yet. And the low-end of the SSD price curve seems to be closer to $80-$100 instead of the $40-$50 for magnetic hard drives.

      Personally, I think the magic number is $1/GB for SSD. Which might happen next year.

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    25. Re:Advancing the Past by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      I can go to Ebay and buy an ST506 hard drive as well. Dose not mean it is not definitely in the past.

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    26. Re:Advancing the Past by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      So Western Digital has 3 offerings, and isn't even easy to find on Newegg, as you have to go to SSD category, look at the list of Manufacturers, and then click on a link to see all the tiny manufacturers that don't even matter. It also has much lower performance than all the other drives. It only has 170 MB/s write speed, whereas most of the competition is up around 270 MB/s. And the Seagate drive can't even be found on NewEgg, and clicking on the "Comparison Shop" link on the site you did link to just goes to a dead end. After a little searching, I couldn't even find an english site to buy the thing on. Although you could probably supply me with a link, it doesn't matter, because for the most part they are unavailable at all the major retailers, so people won't buy them. So, while they do have SSDs, their offerings are terrible, and they are way behind the times. They need to play catch up with all the other manufacturers in a big way if they want to compete in this market.

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    27. Re:Advancing the Past by Simetrical · · Score: 1

      Because solid state's main hold back has always been capacity.

      SSDs have plenty of capacity. The problem is price per unit capacity. You can get 1 TB SSDs . . . they just cost over $3000. (But one of them claims 1.4 GB/s read/write speeds. Nice.)

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  12. Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hard drives are way too fragile, I don't want one to hold even 20GiB of data let alone 20PiB. Sure SSD's are expensive, but when you take in account the extra work and media when backing up >1TiB, let alone recovering from a >1TiB disaster, they're really all worth the extra money. Now I've dropped SSD's to the floor and they're fine, try that with a shiny new HDD and you'll regret it pretty soon.

    Also, newer HDDs I've bought have failed sooner then old ones. In fact, I have HDDs still running from 2003 that have outlived more HDDs then I can remember exactly from my aging low-tech carbon-based neuron memory.

    1. Re:Do not want by Tanktalus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Personally, I avoid dropping electronics, especially ones with moving parts, on to the floor. Or any other surface, for that matter. Helps a lot.

      HTH, HAND

    2. Re:Do not want by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Backing up a 1TB hard drive is a trivial concern when measured against the cost of a 1TB SSD.

      The gulf in price between spinny disks and SSD buys a lot of redundancy.

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  13. then there is support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God help you if you ever need to contact their support.

    It will be your fault and your problem.

    Supportwise they are far and away the worst of a bad lot

  14. I'm sure I'll get tore up on the details... by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 1

    But, bubble memory was more expensive than the hard drives they were intended to replace. Now, we are focused on using various flash memory schemes to accomplish the same feat. Is flash memory related to bubble memory? Who knows, but it fills the same niche, so I'm saying that flash enherited bubble's legacy, to replace hard drives with solid state, non volatile memory

    As far as Optical Buses go, isn't that pretty much dominated by Fibre Channel? We use it to connect processors to processors and SANs to processors, so that seems pretty bus-like.

    So, maybe the trademarks died, but these products are based on the tech that came before them.

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  15. 100TB, here we come! by assemblerex · · Score: 2, Funny

    RIAA must be rolling on the floor having a seizure right about now...

  16. Quick explanation by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who are too lazy to RTFA, here's a very simplified explanation of what's going on:

    In current drives a bunch of rather randomly sized and shaped magnetic grains are basically "glued" to the surface of the drive, and the collective orientation of a certain number of those grains (called a domain) determines whether you've got a 1 or a 0.

    In this, instead of dumping grains onto the surface, they're using lithography to carve very precise grains onto the disk, which can be made much smaller and more identical in shape, than the random ones allowing for vastly higher storage densities. It's basically applying the same technology used to make computer chips to make hard drives. The technology has actually existed for a while, but the cost per bit to pattern lithograph a hard drive has always been huge; I guess Toshiba has figured out how to bring it under control. Cool stuff.

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    1. Re:Quick explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who are too lazy to RTFA, here's a very simplified explanation of what's going on:

      In current drives

      Ya lost me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CEJR4_vV9A

    2. Re:Quick explanation by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Some people will probably need a car analogy to sum it all up.

    3. Re:Quick explanation by S-100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK, I'll give it a try.

      Existing disc platters are like parking in a field. Each car has to find its way to a spot that is clear of surrounding vehicles, and there is no pre-defined organization of the parking spots. So typically, extra space will be wasted in pathways for cars to get in and out, and there will be the inevitable mishaps with cars trapped in their spots or with no escape.

      The new method precisely defines each parking spot, and there is an optimal amount of space provided for every car to get in and out. That means a lot more cars can park within a given area, and there's less of a chance for trapped cars or fender-benders.

      And consistent with all car analogies, it is not 100% accurate...

    4. Re:Quick explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that's an awesome car!

    5. Re:Quick explanation by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      I'll take a crack at that.

      Point to point distance of: car vs train.

      A car is like existing drive technology. Depending on who's driving (manufacturer), the road (materials used), the point-to-point distance (inverse of capacity) of a trip varies. If the driver isn't an expert, he might be all over the road (more magnetic surface used) - adding distance to the trip (decreasing capacity). Additionally, if the road is rough (randomly sized magnetic grains) distance is added to the trip.

      A train, however, utilizes a fixed width track. The driver only needs a vehicle capable of mounting the track. The point-to-point distance is always the same (most efficient, less surface used) because the driver cannot deviate from the track. There is no deviation in the size of the track, it's always smooth.

      how was that?

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    6. Re:Quick explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok: Toshiba filled the highways with busses full of clowns instead of Ford Excursions with only a driver.

    7. Re:Quick explanation by CyberDragon777 · · Score: 1

      Drawing a centerline on a dirt road with a stick vs. a paved and painted road surface?

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    8. Re:Quick explanation by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      I want to see the PizzaAnalogyGuy version!

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    9. Re:Quick explanation by blair1q · · Score: 1

      I don't know about a car, but 2.5 Tb/in^2 makes the tracks one 645th the width of a human hair.

    10. Re:Quick explanation by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      So, basically, you won't be able to get your data that 'last' mile to actually make it useful? Heck, that doesn't sound so good.

    11. Re:Quick explanation by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      Damn, I'd even settle for the BadAnalogyGuy. Where did he go?

    12. Re:Quick explanation by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 4, Funny

      His last post ended with:

      I've had it. I'm switching all my machines to Linux today.

      See ya'll in 24 hours.

      That was May 11th..... I guess the transition didn't go so well.

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    13. Re:Quick explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His last post ended with:

      I've had it. I'm switching all my machines to Linux today.

      See ya'll in 24 hours.

      That was May 11th..... I guess the transition didn't go so well.

      Gentoo. Still compiling.

  17. Thanks, firehose by blair1q · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, I deliberately posted a different version of this summary specifically because the summary that was selected here is a lazy cut-and-paste of the poorly written lead of TFA itself.

    And not only wasn't my superior summary not selected, but it's been deleted from the firehose page, where it should appear between Minority Report Style Iris Scanners in Mexico and Cats Lies and the Research PR Machine.

    Slashdot has gone from valuable to random, and is going from random to stupid.

    1. Re:Thanks, firehose by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      specifically because the summary that was selected here is a lazy cut-and-paste of the poorly written lead of TFA itself.

      But that was specifically why sampenzus picked this version. He is all about stupid. Have you not seen the rest of the shlock he posts?

    2. Re:Thanks, firehose by blair1q · · Score: 1

      You think that /. employees are actually using any sort of qualitative decisionmaking criteria when selecting articles for the main feeds?

      That ended long ago.

      Now they take whatever has the highest +/- ratio when the bell rings to churn the ad stream.

      I'm not sure who deleted my version of the link or why, but I'm sure that it involved a long, heartfelt, gut-wrenching decision to do the right thing. Not.

    3. Re:Thanks, firehose by Phizzle · · Score: 1

      Just read your summary, its right on the money, boggles the mind why it got yanked :( I think Slashdot is moving from being a news place for nerds to being a battleground for religions like Mac, Palm, Windows and Android...

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    4. Re:Thanks, firehose by Phizzle · · Score: 1

      Oh fuck just realized I forgot to include Linux in the list of major religions :( Mia Culpa!!!

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    5. Re:Thanks, firehose by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      Slashdot has gone from valuable to random, and is going from random to stupid.

      I'm guessing by this comment and your high UID that you are new around here?

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    6. Re:Thanks, firehose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High UID?

      You DO realize that they're well in excess of 1,000,000 now... right?

    7. Re:Thanks, firehose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think that /. employees are actually using any sort of qualitative decisionmaking criteria when selecting articles for the main feeds?

      Of course they do. Most of them are in a contest to be as awful as kdawson, but so far nobody has managed to overtake him. Samzenpus is trying really hard, though...

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    8. Re:Thanks, firehose by thePig · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It indeed might be the reason that this got picked.
      See - with this copy-pasted summary - there is much less chance of it being wrong - and thereby lesser chance of ridicule.
      Any issues in the summary/article - the buck can be passed to the article in question - again the editor escapes censure.
      This way, the editor does not need to think too much about the article, rather a non-thinking way of copy-paste can produce the maximum results with minimum effort and minimum pay for the editors.
      A more cynical view could be that with a perfect summary, people reading the article will be lesser - thereby decreasing the ad revenue for the articles - even though I do not fully subscribe to it - as per Hanlon's razor

      I read your summary - it is a perfect summary - it summarizes the main points of the article properly and in an ideal world - all summaries should be written that way.
      But, the fact it was not picked seems shows the sad state of affairs in /. where quality is given scant recognition.

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    9. Re:Thanks, firehose by lewiscr · · Score: 1

      WHAT?!? When did this happen?

  18. Toshiba... Meh! by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I still can't get past the non-standard floppy drives they shipped in the nineties

    Definately not a good way to build confidence with the consumer public

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    1. Re:Toshiba... Meh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes one 20 year old incident during the time where everyfucking body had their own floppy disk format is good reason to shun a company for life

      what about apple? what about IBM? etc

      Im still pissed off my copy of pc dos requires 2.8mb floppy's dammit

      time to move on dude

    2. Re:Toshiba... Meh! by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      actually, you can still buy the 2.88MB floppy drive, IBM MF356F-815MB, but it's $130. The SCSI TEAC FD-235J 5604 2.88MB SCSI floppy can be had for $290

    3. Re:Toshiba... Meh! by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 1

      Get offa my lawn you damned kids!

      Just fyi, but this was not due to a 'unique' floppy drive format, but rather a defective floppy drive controller.

      The device was sold as being 1.44MB PC compatible, but the floppy drive was unreadable by any other 'standard' 1.44 MB floppy drive.

      http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-10293.html

      This might seem trivial to you, but in the days before USB flash drives, it was a major pain in the ass. Toshiba could have avoided the whole thing by just licensing a decent controller, or properly testing the one the use. However, they went for the max profits, and IMHO, deserve all the ill will that they generated

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  19. Cairo vs. L.A. by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some people will probably need a car analogy to sum it all up.

    Ok - in LA you have seventeen or so lanes of traffic. But because they are all headed the same direction, they all sit at a standstill pointed the direction they are supposed to be going.

    Now compare that to Cairo, which has cars going every which way along with camels and a million pedestrians per square mile. In Cairo everyone sits at a standstill, but they may not be pointed where they want to go, with the single side benefit that they can buy figs at any time from a local street vendor.

    Wait, what was the subject again?

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    1. Re:Cairo vs. L.A. by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      In Cairo everyone sits at a standstill, but they may not be pointed where they want to go, with the single side benefit that they can buy figs at any time from a local street vendor.

      Replace "figs" with "oranges" or "melons" or "flowers", and you could still be describing Los Angeles. Minus the camels.

      Mostly.

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    2. Re:Cairo vs. L.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, but I feel like eating something in my car now.

  20. Increase the levels, always needs more levels. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well it is just mostly common sense really. They are doing some incredible densities with this thing.
    And the smaller things get, the more likely they are to break during vibrations.
    The only way they could overcome the size requirements for the heads would be to have dual heads out of sync with each other, so one reads an odd row, one reads even. This way the heads can be a little larger, but the cost of having two heads, as well as the likeliness of losing either one, is just way too much. (pretty much why N+1 heads were abandoned for a single platter)

    Another method was one i mentioned in a previous article: 4 bit storage, or higher.
    Obviously the higher it goes though, the more prone to error as the field weakens, which is why hard drives should come standard with rewriting mechanisms to strengthen the field of weaker areas. (essentially the HDDs inverted friend to wear-levelling on SSDs)
    But with higher bits comes massive increases in density. 4 bits alone would make 2 bit seem like something from the 70s.
    So, it really is worth it... until SSDs came along, which has essentially started putting the nails on the coffin.
    HDDs, one of the few remaining mechanical parts to be replaced in the majority. Its time is almost up.

  21. What does the fact that computer cards ... by crovira · · Score: 1

    were originally the same size as the US currency in use in the late nineteenth century have to do with anything?

    Punchdcards were later shifted to 96 columns and the dimensions of the card shrunk from the old format (which I still remember fondly along with my old IBM 29 keypunch,) to these tiny punch cards.

    None of this made any sense back in the nineteen-seventies and none of this makes any sense now.

    A typical record was an integer divisable fraction of the 19k 3330 DASD write buffer length when I was working for CN back in the late nineteen-seventies.

    Later when I was responsible for coming up with an archiving scheme for Canada Post, when the so-called records could be scanned images of payroll records from the nineteen-thirties and forties, there was no such thing as a fixed format for an employees' file and the hundreds and thousands of transaction records.

    Depending on a fixed format record layout is something reprehensible only a unit-record fascist would do.

    Reality is a lot more flexible.

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  22. Analog recording on a hard drive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In music recording land there is this segment that loves the sound of recording on analog tape (trust me, there IS a "sound", but thats a different discussion), despite its disadvantages.

    Well analog machines are now rare, hard to maintain, etc. To meet this demand, there is a unit that has a tape roll inside it. As you record to it, it then digitizes the signal and sends it to your computer. However the unit is pretty expensive, like $8K.

    But who's to say one has to record on actual tape for analog? Isn't tape as its basic construction, no different than a hard drive? There's a substrate (tape = plastic, HD = platter) and both uses metal oxide (rust) as the magnetic medium. A record head aligns the particles as needed, whether it be data or analog signal. The difference is that tape always is rubbing against a record/play head (which then rubs away the oxide), and the constant flexing of the plastic weakens the glue binder, which makes the oxide shed. On a hard drive a head is always floating above the platter. Wouldn't it be a simple matter of creating a sound recording head that would float above platter, AND record/play an analog signal? The only reason tape is pressed against the head is for alignment purposes and consistency. We'd get the best of both worlds: analog sound, and hard drive life. I could even see room for a small Dolby SR style circuit to reduce hiss.

    An analog recording hard drive, that my new device.

  23. Re:HDDs are gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you spot a gay man in a crowd of people? They'll be carrying an IPhone.

    Dude, if you need to see an iPhone to know if someone is gay you are in serious trouble! Have you noticed how your ass keeps being fondled every time you are in a crowd?

  24. Where's the flash? by khraz · · Score: 1

    When will we get the fun song-and-dance explanation of the technology, just like we did when perpendicular recording was coming out?

  25. Raaiiiiiiaaaaaaiiiin by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    If the boundaries between the bits are more "discreet", then they are more hidden. If the boundaries between the bits are more "discrete", then they are more distinct, and presumably will interfere with each other less often.

    -Your friendly neighborhood Grammar Nazi

    For someone nitpicking someone else's lingual mistakes, it's ironic you missed the fact that it *wasn't* an example of incorrect grammar!

    BTW, *this* is a grammar Nazi. :-P

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    1. Re:Raaiiiiiiaaaaaaiiiin by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      it's ironic you missed the fact that it *wasn't* an example of incorrect grammar!

      To continue the picking and pedantry...

      Nobody said it was, so now the weight of all that irony now rests squarely on your shoulders.

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    2. Re:Raaiiiiiiaaaaaaiiiin by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Not really. I wasn't the one who picked on someone else's comment as not meeting high standards- I was pointing out that it was ironic that someone who *did* made mistakes themselves.

      Secondly, the OP's implication that this was a grammar issue was clear. Holding them to that isn't pedantry- if they meant it as a catch-all for language issues, it shows that they don't understand or care about the difference, which doesn't say much for their authority on the subject.

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  26. I see a pattern here... by mhajicek · · Score: 1

    Today: New technology overcomes previous limitations!

    Tomorrow: Limit of technology predicted! Oh noes!

    Day after: New technology overcomes previous limitations!

  27. no more "wobble"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like this may help alleviate some crashes due to magnetic "wobble"

  28. Bit-patterned pepperoni pizza by tepples · · Score: 1

    I want to see the PizzaAnalogyGuy version!

    In his absence, I'll come up with one. Say you're storing data on a pizza in the layout of "sausage" (seasoned ground beef pieces) over the pizza's surface. If you just put the sausage on top of the cheese, you need fairly large areas of sausage to make discernable areas. But if you lay down a grid of pepperoni first, you can put a piece of sausage or nothing on each piece of pepperoni.

  29. GarageBand and iMovie drive by tepples · · Score: 1

    I see the future is being a mix. Solid state for my boot drive containing all my programs and such. Magnetic media for my Bittorrent and iTunes drive where I need space but not speed (afterall write speeds to those drives are limited by my dirt slow internet speed, and read speads only have to be quick enough to keep up with playback).

    Then what kind of storage do you recommend for a GarageBand and iMovie drive? These are for the interactive creation of works, so they need speed, but the works are digital signals as opposed to text, so they also need space.

  30. Swapping as usual, I see by tepples · · Score: 1

    My write speed is usually limited by the fact that some large memory program gets swapped out to disk

    If you swap for a reason other than putting /tmp on a RAM disk, then you need more RAM. If you cannot fit more RAM in your PC, then you need a motherboard that isn't nearly a decade old like the one in my PC.

  31. Oblig by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

    Thousands of tiny luminous spheres, I presume

  32. Re:HDDs are gay by AlamedaStone · · Score: 2, Funny

    How do you spot a gay man in a crowd of people? They'll be carrying an IPhone.

    Dude, if you need to see an iPhone to know if someone is gay you are in serious trouble! Have you noticed how your ass keeps being fondled every time you are in a crowd?

    Hrm, I don't seem to have that problem. Maybe I should buy new pants.

    --
    "All these years believing you're the signified monkey, only to find out you're just a big hunk of nobody cares."
  33. Re:HDDs are gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe you're even too ugly for the fags.

  34. Why all the density? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For god's sake why do they have to keep on focusing on higher capacity? We need more performance, not capacity. More capacity without performance makes the management of data a horribly slow process.