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Inflaton, Mother of the Universe

quantalm writes "Forget the god particle, we're talking about the universe's particle mother. The theory of supersymmetry has rolled out two new ideas about the particle that puffed spacetime up from smaller than a proton to bigger than a soccer ball: it could be the 'unified particle' of Grand Unified Theories or a smaller-scale version that could be tested at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN."

163 comments

  1. I love scientists. by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 0

    Particles, sparticles.

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    1. Re:I love scientists. by boowax · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm Sparticles!

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    2. Re:I love scientists. by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1, Funny

      No, I'm Sparticles!

    3. Re:I love scientists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Particles, sparticles.

      it could be the 'unified particle' of Grand Unified Theories or a smaller-scale version that could be tested at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN.

      They'll find Jack and shit and Jack left town. When that happens, let's act surprised!

    4. Re:I love scientists. by Sparticles · · Score: 1, Funny

      Nope, that's me.

    5. Re:I love scientists. by natehoy · · Score: 1

      Funny, I thought your name was Agador? Or are you insisting on being called by your full name again?

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    6. Re:I love scientists. by geekoid · · Score: 0

      No! I'm Sparticles!

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    7. Re:I love scientists. by jd · · Score: 1

      And so am I!
      .
      (Sparticles would have worked so much better in "Fires of Pompeii" -- so very much more Doctorish.)

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    8. Re:I love scientists. by WestCoastBogeyMan · · Score: 1, Funny

      No! I'm Sparticles, and so's my wife.

    9. Re:I love scientists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Sparticles!

      Beats "Inflaton", I suppose (see article title). I expected to see references to bad Japanese sci-fi movies by now. What's going on?

    10. Re:I love scientists. by Pikoro · · Score: 1

      "Ahh, But I cannot wear shoes because they make me fall down."

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  2. Nah by aBaldrich · · Score: 0

    we all know that spacetime grew to the size of a football thanks to the Holy Meatballs.

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    1. Re:Nah by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Would that be an American Football or an European Football?

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  3. inflaton? by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    i don't know about unifying electromagnetism and gravity, but it seems like someone just unified economics and quantum mechanics

    just tell us how to avoid the deflaton particle for the next few years

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    1. Re:inflaton? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Funny

      If those two particles meet, they don't cancel out - they actually cause a rift in the space-time continuum that is so catastrophic that it convinces people to take out sub-prime home equity loans.

    2. Re:inflaton? by istartedi · · Score: 5, Funny

      So that's where the money went: Into subprime space.

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    3. Re:inflaton? by pclminion · · Score: 1

      You do realize that quantum economics is an actual field of study, right?

    4. Re:inflaton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize it's a joke, right?

    5. Re:inflaton? by SydShamino · · Score: 5, Funny

      There might or might not be a $20 bill in my wallet; I won't know for certain until I look for it?

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    6. Re:inflaton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was having this exact conversation with a friend. Even if at the smallest level things are probabilistic, these particles seem to add up in some way to have very deterministic behaviors at the human level. Or, they are deterministic but the cause is in another dimension and thus we see a non intuitive effect but in actuality there is a perfectly reasonable explanation but we can't see that explanation because its in another dimension.

      Anyway just .02 cents.

    7. Re:inflaton? by AndrewNeo · · Score: 1

      Or, you know there's a bill in your wallet, but you won't know if it's a $20 or a $5 until you look at it.

    8. Re:inflaton? by metamechanical · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anyway just .02 cents.

      OR PERHAPS $20! You won't know until you look.

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    9. Re:inflaton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't want deflation?

      You don't want the dollar to be 'worth' more?

      I'm so confused!!!! Why would you want the dollar to only lose value?

      This should be modded scary, not funny!

    10. Re:inflaton? by Delarth799 · · Score: 1

      Yes, and subprime space can become fairly unstable when you begin to mix bad space fabric with good space fabric during its creation.

    11. Re:inflaton? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Well, they still have an indeterminacy. However you don't usually care if an object is a millionth of a proton radius more left or more right. Especially given that normal thermodynamics already generates much larger classical uncertainty here.

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    12. Re:inflaton? by natehoy · · Score: 1

      No, the theory is that that $20 may or may not buy you a loaf of bread, and the price of that loaf of bread doesn't exist until you look on the shelf for it.

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    13. Re:inflaton? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but property in subprime space is cheeeeeep!

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    14. Re:inflaton? by jimmydigital · · Score: 1

      If those two particles meet, they don't cancel out - they actually cause a rift in the space-time continuum that is so catastrophic that it convinces people to take out sub-prime home equity loans.

      I guess it must have been the satan particle that encouraged banks to offer sub-prime loans.. and for fannie/freddie to buy them from the banks and leave the tax payers holding the bag. Oh wait.. I'm so silly.. that wasn't the satan particle.. that was congress! Thank jebus someone is fixing this mess... oh wait.. that's congress again.

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    15. Re:inflaton? by jimmydigital · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There might or might not be a $20 bill in my wallet; I won't know for certain until I look for it?

      The likelihood of there NOT being a $20 bill in your wallet approaches infinity for the cube of the number of women in your life.

      Or something

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    16. Re:inflaton? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      You do realize that quantum economics is an actual field of study, right?

      Yep, I believe it. Money here one moment. Poof, gone the next. Gone into a Black Hole. Much Uncertainty. Confusing Boxes. Outcomes completely contrary to observation and common sense. Have to be an Einstein in statistics to grasp the concepts.

      No doubt.

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    17. Re:inflaton? by wastedlife · · Score: 1

      Hopefully you are kidding, but just in case you are not:

      Deflation is very very bad if you are in debt. It was also a huge issue during the Great Depression. A few bullet points from Wikipedia:

      Effects of deflation

            1. Decreasing nominal prices for goods and services.
            2. Cash money and all monetary items increase in real value over time.
            3. Discourages bank savings and decreases investment.
            4. Enriches creditors at the expenses of debtors.
            5. Benefits fixed income earners.
            6. Associated with recessions and unemployment.

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    18. Re:inflaton? by jd · · Score: 3, Funny

      In subprime space, nobody can hear you default.

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    19. Re:inflaton? by jd · · Score: 1

      Quantum Thermodynamics (another real theory) is much easier to understand and can be summed up as: "Eventually, everything is worthless."

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    20. Re:inflaton? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You stole that joke from Bob. Buy the guy a beer, he needs one after the double-slit experiment!

    21. Re:inflaton? by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

      You got me thinking: Does Brett Favre read quantum physics books in his spare time?

    22. Re:inflaton? by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Insightful
      There might or might not be a $20 bill in my wallet; I won't know for certain until I look for it?

      No, cash behaves fairly classically. It's the rest of the economy that's quantum. For example, your house might or might not be worth $200,000. You won't know for certain until you try to sell it.

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    23. Re:inflaton? by chill · · Score: 1

      There might or might not be a $20 bill in my wallet; I won't know for certain until I look for it?

      From this information I can infer you are married.

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    24. Re:inflaton? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      Actually, it approaches infinity as long as $number_of_women_in_life >= 1, no cube necessary. :-\

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    25. Re:inflaton? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You want to avoid deflation?
      You're stupid.

      While very rapid deflation is bad (as markets cannot react instantly), deflation as a whole is in fact a good thing for everyone but the top 1% of wealthy people.

    26. Re:inflaton? by DreadPiratePizz · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Anyway just .02 cents." Do you happen to work for Verizon?

    27. Re:inflaton? by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      But even if you do look, you still won't know if that money is being recieved, or being used to pay for something.

    28. Re:inflaton? by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Deflation is bad for anyone who has any debt, which is an awful lot of people. The amount you owe is specified in nominal dollars, so deflation means you have to pay back a greater real value than you would otherwise.

      It's also bad for anyone who runs a business, or works for a business, which again is an awful lot of people. Deflation -- or rather, the expectation of more deflation to come -- makes people less willing to spend money. I don't want to buy ten widgets for $10 today if I think I can get eleven for the same price tomorrow. So the widgets don't sell, the widget vendor gets desperate and drops his prices, and now he has to cut wages or lay off employees, and the cycle continues.

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    29. Re:inflaton? by koreaman · · Score: 1

      Or anyone in a lot of debt, I imagine.

    30. Re:inflaton? by sorak · · Score: 1

      i don't know about unifying electromagnetism and gravity, but it seems like someone just unified economics and quantum mechanics

      just tell us how to avoid the deflaton particle for the next few years

      Misused quantum mechanics: the branch of quantum physics that accounts for bullshit at the atomic level; an explanation of nonsensical beliefs based on a poorly understood field.

    31. Re:inflaton? by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      So all the big banks that had to be bailed out were the ones subject to the equal opportunity in lending rules Congress passed, right? Oh, wait, no 16 out of 17 of them were investment banks and primary insurance crafters that didn't offer any sub prime loans at all, and couldn't be pressured to offer more because that wasn't any part of their basic business. Blaming the whole debacle on Congress explains Fannie and Freddie, and One private lender out of 17 (It explains those three's problems to some extent, not really nearly all). It may be fair to include it as one contributing factor, but it's like pointing to the kids playing with matches near one house, and not mentioning the guys spreading gasoline all over the whole neighborhood.

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    32. Re:inflaton? by Tetsujin · · Score: 3, Funny

      There might or might not be a $20 bill in my wallet; I won't know for certain until I look for it?

      No $20 bill... But my cat just died.

      Thanks, a lot, jerk.

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    33. Re:inflaton? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      An awful lot of stupid people.
      Debt is to be avoided like the plague.

    34. Re:inflaton? by PagosaSam · · Score: 1

      I just got a tax bill based on the probability that there may or may not be $20 in my wallet. WTF!

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    35. Re:inflaton? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      There are around 50 million mortgages in the United States. If everyone followed that philosophy, a lot fewer people would be able to own houses... or own cars, or start businesses and expand them, etc.

      Like it or not, there is a place for borrowing, and we'd all be worse off without it. Well, maybe not the top 1% of wealthy people you mentioned earlier -- they can avoid debt like the plague, because they have cash in the bank to cover the expenses that ordinary people need loans for.

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    36. Re:inflaton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I knew I shouldn't have bought a Schrodinger brand Wallet.

    37. Re:inflaton? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      There are around 50 million mortgages in the United States. If everyone followed that philosophy, a lot fewer people would be able to own houses... or own cars, or start businesses and expand them, etc.

      Protip: Those people are NOT able to own the houses or cars they bought. That's why they're in debt. That's why we're fucked.

    38. Re:inflaton? by jabithew · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. It just means they can't own it straight away. They might still be able to afford it over the long term.

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    39. Re:inflaton? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      And I might be able to afford a McMansion.
      The bank is willing to loan me the money, and I'm sure to get that promotion, and my wife's on the pill so no more kids, and my parents are nice and healthy, and I'm nearly done paying off my car...

      Retards, the lot of you.

    40. Re:inflaton? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      Sure, you could save up your cash and buy a house when you're 60 instead of getting a 30 year mortgage when you're 30. But that means you lose the use of the house for those 30 years, and the money you save in mortgage interest, you lose in paying rent on another place for 30 years!

      Likewise, you could save up your cash and expand your business 5 years from now instead of getting a loan and expanding today. But you might find that competitors have already taken your spot by then, either because they have more cash in the bank or because they don't share your fear of loans.

      Protip: Avoid making any more economic pronouncements until you have a better understanding of the issues.

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    41. Re:inflaton? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Protip: You're a moron.

      A 5 year loan is fine.
      30 years is fine if you plan to WORK for 30 years, at your CURRENT salary, pay it off ON TIME, and STILL have enough money over the years to handle the $XX,XXX in expenses you WILL incur to cover medical expenses, car expenses, etc.

      Every single person under the water right now bit off more than they could chew, and it's their own fault for being haphazard, ignorant, or plain fucking stupid.

      Gradual deflation would NOT have a terrible impact on anyone in the middle of a 30 year lease. That's the whole fucking point of GRADUAL.

      You, and the rest of the STUPID FUCKS in the country who think perpetual debt is acceptable are the reason we're in this shithole.

    42. Re:inflaton? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      "I don't want to buy ten widgets for $10 today if I think I can get eleven for the same price tomorrow. So the widgets don't sell, the widget vendor gets desperate and drops his prices, and now he has to cut wages or lay off employees, and the cycle continues."

      Hm. The computer industry has never known any other situation. It seems to be doing pretty well.

    43. Re:inflaton? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      A 5 year loan is fine.

      If you think 5 year loans are remotely feasible for houses, you must have no idea how much houses cost. (Hint: they cost a lot more than cars.)

      30 years is fine if you plan to WORK for 30 years, at your CURRENT salary, pay it off ON TIME, and STILL have enough money over the years to handle the $XX,XXX in expenses you WILL incur to cover medical expenses, car expenses, etc.

      It's not like the alternative is to live for free: you're going to have some monthly housing payment no matter what. Paying rent for 30 years is much worse, from a financial perspective.

      Gradual deflation would NOT have a terrible impact on anyone in the middle of a 30 year lease. That's the whole fucking point of GRADUAL.

      Depends what you mean by "terrible impact", I guess. (And I'm assuming you mean "loan", not "lease", since that's what we were talking about.)

      Deflation basically raises your interest rate. If deflation is 1%, then that mortgage you thought was costing you 5% is actually costing more like 6%, because you're paying the same number of dollars back but those dollars are now worth more (it takes more work to earn them and you can buy more stuff with them).

      Is that "terrible"? Maybe not, but it's still a bad thing, not a good thing.

      You, and the rest of the STUPID FUCKS in the country who think perpetual debt is acceptable are the reason we're in this shithole.

      Actually, I blame stupid fucks like yourself who pretend to know more about economics than the really do, and spout off glib, worthless proclamations that hurt more than they help. We'd be in better shape if politicians could pursue sound economic strategy instead of having to cater to people who think the federal government's budget ought to be drawn up the same way as a household budget.

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    44. Re:inflaton? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      Most industries face that situation to some extent: manufacturing gets more efficient and manufactured goods get cheaper. Deflation makes it worse, though.

      The computer industry has the evolution of software to continue driving sales. Most industries don't have an equivalent. A ten year old car still works fine and gets you to all the same places as a brand new car.

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    45. Re:inflaton? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Intel doesn't take much revenue from software. Nor AMD, nVidia, Dell, Apple....

      Yeah, deflation would definitely change the economy, but it doesn't seem to be particularly bad for businesses that adapt to it. Some of the most successful businesses today have always existed in an environment of effective deflation.

      It might kill off economic models based on constant borrowing and overspending though. So it might even work out better than what we have now.

    46. Re:inflaton? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      Intel doesn't take much revenue from software. Nor AMD, nVidia, Dell, Apple....

      I mean the constant progression of software keeps demand up for hardware. Components often become obsolete and need replacing long before they break.

      The same kind of benefit accrues to manufacturers of consumable goods: deflation isn't going to make anyone think twice about buying toilet paper.

      It might kill off economic models based on constant borrowing and overspending though.

      Not just overspending, but any borrowing and spending, since deflation effectively raises interest rates. That means less demand for expensive, long-lived products like houses and cars.

      It also means less business expansion, first because deflation discourages them from borrowing money (higher effective interest rates), and second because deflation discourages investment (I don't want a piece of a company whose revenue is falling).

      So it might even work out better than what we have now.

      Well, it's not like this hasn't been tried. We've seen deflation in action here and elsewhere, and it hasn't been beneficial.

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    47. Re:inflaton? by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Never heard of him. I made it up on the spot.

      All humor is recycled.

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    48. Re:inflaton? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Instant solution: Raise the floor on income tax to above the median income and make up the difference in fiat money. For a stronger effect, make the standard deduction match the median income. multiply by the appropriate amount for the taxes. Negative numbers mean you get paid. There is absolutely no mystery to how to create inflation.

  4. Particles for everything by bmuon · · Score: 0

    I don't get it. Is this the supersymmetry equivalent of the Hubble constant?

    1. Re:Particles for everything by md65536 · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up 2 Interestons!

  5. Prior to the expansion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was no space. Therefore the "universe" could not have been "smaller than a proton". It was pure compressed energy that did not exist in spacetime, only time. Once space was created the universe expanded rapidly. The idea that there was a size to the universe prior to its birth is terribly wrong and as misleading as the centuries-ago belief that the earth was the center off all things.

    1. Re:Prior to the expansion by alexborges · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is this time you speak of at those moments?

      Oh wait...

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    2. Re:Prior to the expansion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps empty space has existed all the time even before the big bang and there are millions of big bangs happening on a scale so large we can't even comprehend it.

    3. Re:Prior to the expansion by md65536 · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps neither time nor space existed within the universe before the big bang, as the universe existed only in the form of a singularity, and the big bang was nothing but a particular way of observing this singularity, so that the universe still exists in its singularity form, on a scale so small we can't even comprehend it.

  6. A smaller version could be tested at CERN by joshdw4 · · Score: 1

    Maybe we're all part of an experiment in a larger "CERN" I say we muck with their experiment and lead to a bizarre physics model.

  7. unfortunately i do by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it was those quant assholes who got us into this mess

    they used formulas extrapolating from cherry picked models to suggest that the economic universe could just go on inflating forever. big bang indeed

    http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704509704575019032416477138.html

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    1. Re:unfortunately i do by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Quantum econ has nothing to do with quants, despite the lexical similarity.

  8. This just in from LHC.... by MaggieL · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Oops. Sorry about those extra universes that just leaked out."

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    1. Re:This just in from LHC.... by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      I prefer that to the "Oops, we just discovered the needle particle"

  9. No! Don't use "inflaton" as a particle name! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Every time I see it, my brain will scream "Typo!"

  10. Freudian slip by Xacid · · Score: 2, Funny

    My initial reading of the subject:

    Inflation of Mother, like a Universe.

    1. Re:Freudian slip by ruiner13 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your mom is so inflated, your dad had to roll her in flour and find the wet spot.

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    2. Re:Freudian slip by t35t0r · · Score: 1

      yeah, except that the universe tends to go to a steady state (the opposite of inflation)

    3. Re:Freudian slip by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your mom is so inflated, your dad had to roll her in flour and find the wet spot.

      Nah, you need to go full on physics here.

      "You mom is so inflated, your dad had to roll her up like a Calabi-Yau manifold and look for the Casimir effect!"

      Thank you! Am I right? Huh? Huh? Am I? Huh?

      Oh, shut up.

    4. Re:Freudian slip by Xacid · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Only a topologist could find her parts attractive".

    5. Re:Freudian slip by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Actually, according to current observations, the expansion of the universe currently is accelerating. So no steady state, sorry.

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    6. Re:Freudian slip by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Yo momma so fat that the only attraction anyone feels towards her is gravitational.

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    7. Re:Freudian slip by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, accept the universe is accelerating (the opposite of going to a steady state).

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    8. Re:Freudian slip by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, accept...

      Oh shit!

      *runs from the grammar nazis*

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    9. Re:Freudian slip by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      You could have left it alone and then if somebody jumped on you could have claimed you were making an imperative like 'accept it!' However, now you have convicted yourself. Smooth move, Exlax.

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    10. Re:Freudian slip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the wet spot both existed and didn't, but your dad didn't know until he rolled her over.

    11. Re:Freudian slip by lul_wat · · Score: 1

      You momma so fat the escape velocity at her surface exceeds 3*10^8m/s.

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    12. Re:Freudian slip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking for the Casimir effect would just find places where two faces of the manifold are close together, you want something that looks for cavities.

    13. Re:Freudian slip by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

      i wrote these for a Fark thread a few days ago:

      Yo mama so fat i swerved to miss her and ran out of dilithium crystals.

      Yo mama so fat the guild navigator needed 30 kilos of spice to see around her fat ass.

      Yo mama so fat her measurements are 36AU-26AU-36AU, and her other arm is just as big.

      Yo mama so fat and so black she the missing dark matter.

      Yo mama so ugly the universe is expanding to get away from her.

      Yo mama so black her black body radiation is 0*.
      * doesn't actually claim to understand black body radiation

      Yo mama so dumb it takes her a light year to watch 60 Minutes.

      Yo mama is dead/alive.

      Yo mama's ass is a mass of incandescent gas.

      Yo mama at Tanagra, her legs wide.

      Yo mama so fat cuz she ate all the chocolate quarks.

      Yo mama so fat Mandelbrot had measure her rolls in the complex plane.

      When yo mama sits around the Lagrange Point she really sits around the Lagrange Point.

      Yo mama so stoned she smokes from a Klein Bong.

      Yo mama so fat, i axed Deep Thought how much she weighed and it replied.... "Tricky."

      Yo mama went full Linux_Yes, summoned Bevets. (fark specific)

      Yo mama is the source of red matter.

      Yo mama went to the gynecologist. We know this day as "the Black Mesa Incident". Her gyno, Dr. Freeman, has been cleaning up the aftermath ever since.

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  11. you've just described the quantum mechanics behind by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Funny

    the creation of the moron particle

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  12. Inflationary theory by Kepesk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not saying that the inflationary phase of the universe is a false concept, but I've always thought that the way the theory came about is a bit sketchy.

    Please correct me if I'm mistaken with any of this, but this is my understanding of its history. Earlier versions of the Big Bang theory did not include this rapid inflation in the earlier universe; the universe was said to expand at a more constant rate. However, when the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation was first observed, there was no way to explain its irregularity based on that model. So physicists decided to plunk down a mysterious inflationary phase into their models of the early universe, a concept with no known cause or explanation, but which made the CMBR fit with the Big Bang theory. However, it's a concept that to this day they're still trying to reconcile with the rest of observed physics, as this article shows.

    Could the theory be true? Sure. But if it is, it's because those physicists got lucky with their educated guess on the matter. Other theories with much more solid backing have in the past been roundly disproven.

    1. Re:Inflationary theory by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hear what you're saying. But the problem is, if the inflationary theory is false then we need some other mechanism to explain the cosmic background. Inflation solves the problem without breaking the speed of light or special relativity -- both of which are kind of important to keep around.

      Inflation *could*, ultimately, be proven false. But if that happens it will topple a lot of important theories along with it. So you can understand why most physicists are assuming it's the correct model, and trying to figure out exactly how it happened.

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    2. Re:Inflationary theory by blair1q · · Score: 1

      And that, it turns out, is how science works.

      Nobody believes something until it fits the data.

      As opposed to that other thing, whatchamacallit, "faith."

    3. Re:Inflationary theory by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      However, when the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation was first observed, there was no way to explain its irregularity based on that model.

      Actually you have that backwards, without inflation, the CMBR should be extremely irregular. There should be huge blotches of stuff all over. Think of a balloon filled with paint splattering on the floor - it doesn't create a fine coating all over the floor, it creates huge splatters here and there with huge gaps of nothing in between.

      The CMBR, however, is extremely uniform. When you look at a picture of the CMBR, the variations in color are artificial (similar to the way the color nebulae from infra-red data) and represent extremely minute changes in radiation (you'll note there are no areas with no radiation, but there should be). The CMBR effectively shows a nice, even "coating" of radiation that covers the universe from one end to the other. This is disturbing, and cannot be explained by any physics we know of.

      The only way to explain this is if the big bang wasn't an explosion (huge release, starts fast but decelerates quickly), but actually a controlled inflation - it had to start slow, accelerate, and then decelerate in order to produce the nice, even radiation we see. They had to accelerate the time-line of the Big Bang for a microsecond and then decelerate it immediately after in order to reproduce the uniformity seen in the CMBR. It's completely arbitrary, and has absolutely no grounding in physics, yet it's the only way to fit the physics we do know with the observations we see.

      If you think you are disturbed by this, talk to a cosmologist or a physicist sometime. They absolutely hate having to change a model to fit observations without having any idea what is missing in their model to cause that change. It's like Dark Energy and Dark Matter, or the singularity of a Black Hole - cosmologists hate all of them. They use them, because it works, but they hate them all the same. They screw with their nice, neat physics.

      Same thing with inflation - there is no known physical property that should cause inflation, yet inflation is the only way to explain the universe as it is now. It means there is something fundamental to the universe that we don't know or understand.

      PS: Fun fact: if you tune an analog TV to an unused channel, something like 10% of the fuzz you see is caused by the CMBR.

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    4. Re:Inflationary theory by bjorniac · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are certainly alternatives to inflation that people do find attractive - ekpyrotic, cyclic or simply oscillatory universes for example can easily bring points into causal contact by extending the past of these points beyond where there would be a classical big bang. Various string models, and Loop Quantum Cosmology have methods for this (LQC has a really neat well understood bounce) and the idea goes back to Lemaitre's 'Phoenix Universe' ideas. However, inflation does more than just explain existing phenomena - it predicted a spectral index between 0.98 and 0.92, and COBE/WMAP bring it in at around 0.96. It also does a really good job of explaining structure formation. Now, that isn't to say that it's necessarily right, and that other theories couldn't do a similar thing, but inflation really does a good job. It's certainly far from perfect, numerous people have objections to it, but so far it fits the data we have.

    5. Re:Inflationary theory by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Mod Parent up (we don't fucking know but this theory predicted data better)

    6. Re:Inflationary theory by lgw · · Score: 1

      It's completely arbitrary, and has absolutely no grounding in physics, yet it's the only way to fit the physics we do know with the observations we see.

      If you think you are disturbed by this, talk to a cosmologist or a physicist sometime. They absolutely hate having to change a model to fit observations without having any idea what is missing in their model to cause that change. It's like Dark Energy and Dark Matter, or the singularity of a Black Hole - cosmologists hate all of them. They use them, because it works, but they hate them all the same. They screw with their nice, neat physics.

      Inflation is just the latest "cosmological constant". It doesn't make much sense, and I think those working in the field are fully aware of that. It tells us there's somthing fundamental lacking in our understanding, but offers no clue as to what that actually is. I guess every job has its frustrations.

      Personally, I think inflation is a particularly silly idea, but then I don't have a better answer either, so I'll shut up now.

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    7. Re:Inflationary theory by PvtVoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However, inflation does more than just explain existing phenomena - it predicted a spectral index between 0.98 and 0.92, and COBE/WMAP bring it in at around 0.96.

      Where on Earth did you ever get that idea? Inflation makes no such prediction. For example, Linde's "Hybrid" inflation model predicts a spectral index greater than 1.0, and is pretty much ruled out by WMAP. Similarly, so-called "Natural" inflation models can easily accomodate a spectral index as low as 0.7 or so. See for example this paper for a nice general review, and this paper specifically for the Natural Inflation case. Inflation does robustly predict adiabatic, superhorizon perturbations, and this is borne out by the data. This is powerful enough evidence without having to overstate the predictivity of the theory.

    8. Re:Inflationary theory by jd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not quite. The Inflationary phase was anything but controlled. The current model predicts that between the initial Big Bang and the start of the inflationary phase (roughly one planck time), the universe expanded at some unknown rate. We can't observe the pre-inflationary phase, so there is no useful model for it. When the conditions for inflation were met, the Universe suddenly expanded at a truly fantastic rate (effectively faster than light). This inflationary phase not only generated an enormous amount of space very quickly, but also generated an enormous amount of matter very quickly. This is a consequence of quantum foam having a zero sum over a non-zero amount of space and non-zero amount of time but a non-zero sum at any given instant in space and time. (Hawking Radiation, likewise, results in something from an average of nothing for the same reason.)

      The inflationary phase is extremely hard to model because, as Professor Hawking has noted, not only does space vary non-linearly in the universe, so does time. At whatever point the density of the universe was greatest, the rate of time was slowest. In some models of the very early universe, time follows a parabolic path. As you approach T=0, the rate of change of time also approaches zero. If this is correct, then there was no moment of Big Bang (and therefore no singularity) because there wasn't any point in time for it to occur. (Since Black Hole theory stems from Big Bang theory, and since the argument over time revolves around the density of matter bending time as well as space, this raises questions about whether models of Black Holes can be correct. A singularity cannot accumulate mass if delta-T is zero, for there is no point in time for the accumulation to occur in. However, that is another debate.)

      Because mass bends time as well as space, we cannot accurately model the effects of inflation on the universe without knowing how mass changed due to the properties of quantum foam, because we cannot know the effect on time otherwise. All we know is that mass/energy was not a constant during this phase and that at no point in this phase did it equal the mass/energy of the universe today. We think the latter part of inflation will have tended to this value, but frankly there is no evidence for that. The universe dropped out of the inflationary phase, and it is assumed that the transition was relatively non-turbulent - or can at least be modeled as such - but most transitions we do know of are extremely turbulent and disruptive.

      Some of this can be solved experimentally. You need an extremely high energy density - about the same as the output of a hydrogen bomb packed into a cubic centimeter is how I've heard it described - but it's not an unachievable amount of energy (obviously) even if we're not sure quite how to get the density that high. It's perfectly safe, too. Well, so long as theory is correct, at least. It would form a universe attached to this one through a mini black hole. Essentially you'd form a blister on this universe, where the blister contained another universe. The black hole is a good thing - prevents this universe getting fried from the inflationary phase of the new one - but since the black hole exists in some form in both universes, its state must reveal something about that other universe.

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    9. Re:Inflationary theory by bjorniac · · Score: 4, Informative

      I should be clear: My experience is with scalar field inflation with a quadratic potential - the simplest models that are most common. Hybrid inflation can do almost anything, it's true.

      My references for that statement:

      Tegmark: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0410281
      Steinhardt: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0507455

      I believe Mukhanov and Turok both talk about it too, though I can't find the references easily at the moment.

    10. Re:Inflationary theory by sexconker · · Score: 1

      There isn't necessarily an unknown mechanism that resulted in the background radiation pattern.

      If there is no such mechanism, it merely means that our guesses about the universe prior to the earliest pictures we have are wrong.

    11. Re:Inflationary theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just say the universe itself is a black hole? There are too many parallels regarding how they start from what is essentially a point and then expand via the bounds of its event horizon. Who's to say that a singularity isn't actually quite roomy when viewed from the inside?

      That would give more than enough time for the universe to form, and not only that, since nobody can see outside of its event horizon, there could be plenty of outside material coming in to keep it growing as far as an observer on the inside is concerned. Any mass orbiting such black hole might also affect the stuff inside, while not being able to be observed inside. That could explain dark energy/dark matter. Also since stuff going into a black hole is pretty much reduced to particles and radiation, that would give it some fairly uniform distribution once inside. No?

      Of course I'm just a layman with one of the more unusual perspectives based on casual observation (everything seems to be a fractal to some degree, so a universe within a universe etc. doesn't seem too upsetting.), so what details do physicists know that could break that concept?

    12. Re:Inflationary theory by budgenator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The universe was always as big as the whole universe, so how can it expand? How do we know we're not shrinking inside a fixed size universe?

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    13. Re:Inflationary theory by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 0

      I think you do nto understand the nature of science (AKA your an idiot).

      1)Scientist sees something, postulates based on his observations and what he knows about the world.
      2)Other scientists experiment or investigate predictions (depending upon what is the best method of investigation of postulate)
      3)Someone sees something else that does not jive entirely with what the first scientist postulated
      4)Scientists makes adjustment to account for new information
      5)Go to 2

    14. Re:Inflationary theory by itlurksbeneath · · Score: 1

      That's like saying "a balloon is always the size of a baloon". Add some air to it and watch it expand.

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    15. Re:Inflationary theory by frieko · · Score: 1

      To be precise, the ratio of empty space to occupied space is increasing. Your shrinking is just a restatement of expansion from a different point of reference.

    16. Re:Inflationary theory by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      However, when the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation was first observed, there was no way to explain its irregularity based on that model. So physicists decided to plunk down a mysterious inflationary phase into their models of the early universe, a concept with no known cause or explanation, but which made the CMBR fit with the Big Bang theory.

      Just to be clear: the CMBR itself and it's general characteristics were predicted in advance by the Big Bang Theory and the initial measurements of the CMBR were an enormous slam-dunk victory for the theory because it matched the theoretical prediction within the error of the measurements. It is because of the CMBR that the Big Bang became the favored cosmology, when before there had been several other theories and no definitive way to pick between them.

      The inflationary phase was proposed to explain the lack of irregularity in the CMBR. However without inflation the CMBR still fits with the Big Bang Theory; an isotropic CMBR doesn't contradict the theory. It's just an otherwise unexplained observation, and inflation works as such an explanation.

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    17. Re:Inflationary theory by mhajicek · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but Faith looks good in tight vinyl pants and knows how to fight. Not sure I'd trust having her tie me to a chair though.

    18. Re:Inflationary theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Inflation didn't begin one planck time after the big bang. So far as we can tell, it was more like 10^6 planck times. (See Mukhanov http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0503203 or Rindler's book on cosmology). There certainly are useful models for this phase too - various string theories, ekpyrosis, loop gravity are amongst the candidates. Also your statement about 'quantum foam' is gobbledygook - a 'non-zero sum' of what? Energy? Mass? Perhaps you're trying to say that there is matter associated with empty space, a la cosmological constants etc?

      I'm afraid I'm also going to have to jump on statements like "As you approach T=0, the rate of change of time also approaches zero."

      Rate of change of time with respect to what exactly? dt/dt =1 by definition, so what is time changing with respect to? Hawking most certainly does NOT support the idea that there was no big bang or no time for it to take place - in fact the Hawking-Penrose singularity theorems rather prove that GR predicts that not only was there a big bang, but it happened a finite amount of proper time ago. "Likewise time follows a parabolic path" - parabolic with respect to what other parameter? The whole point of GR is that we can change coordinates and reparametrize as necessary (see rindler coordinates for black holes, for example, or proper-time descriptions of cosmology). Therefore the singularity can certainly be placed at a finite point on (the boundary of a) space-time manifold.

      Hydrogen bomb per cubic centimeter doesn't even come close to the energy scale you're looking at - it's more akin to all the matter in our galaxy being packed within the size of an atom. I'm afraid your post is mostly wrong - where are you getting your material from?

    19. Re:Inflationary theory by LowlyWorm · · Score: 1

      I tend to agree. It seems to be an ugly amendment to currently accepted theories. But current models cannot explain the uniform temperature of the universe without it. Einstein's model superseded Newton's because as a model it explained gravity, space, and time and makes better predictions on larger scales. We still rely on Newton for most practical purposes. It might likewise be that something more fundamental may be gleaned from the overthrow of inflation. At some level though I think we may have to accept the fact we may never know. We simply cannot reproduce the heat and pressure needed to make direct observations.

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    20. Re:Inflationary theory by bjorniac · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's an interesting question to which an answer can take a few forms. One is that below describing the balloon. This would be a closed universe model (finite size, wraps around itself) such as a torus or sphere. However, suppose the universe is truly infinite - what does it mean to be expanding?

      Well, suppose one can put a mark on two points in space, and watch them over time. To be expanding these two points will move apart, as will any two points in space. To do it a little more mathematically: Suppose I have a line - the real numbers - that goes on forever. And I pick two points on the line (arbitrarily again suppose we get -0.45 and 3.09 for purpose of example). Then I double the coordinate of each point (now at -0.9 and 6.18). This way the line is still infinite - it's as long as the real line - but it has 'expanded' as every point before is now further away than previous points.

      In cosmology we do this in a very similar way - using what we call a 'fiducial cell'; a blob of space. We assume the universe is (to first order) homogeneous (same everywhere) and isotropic (same in every direction). Thus if we see the blob expand we're seeing the whole universe expand. Mathematically, we form a 'metric' a way of measuring space and time, the simplest homogeneous and isotropic version of which is:

      ds^2 = -dt^2 +a(t)^2(dx^2+dy^2+dz^2)

      You might recognize the last bit as being like pythagoras' theorem in 3D. (There are two other homogeneous isotropic examples, but I'm choosing the simplest one to make life easy). a(t) can only be a function of time, as if it were a function of space, this would break homogeneity. Likewise it must multiply all directions equally to retain isotropy. (Again for the pros I'm being fast and loose here to make life easier). Thus our universe can be infinite (x,y,z go on forever) but distances can change over time as a(t) changes. That way we truly can see expansion or contraction in the universe. This was what Friedmann first put forward as a solution to Einstein's equations, and Robertson+Walker later showed that it's true in general cases for homogeneity and isotropy. Finally Lemaitre worked out what this really meant physically.

      Now a(t) has no meaning by itself - I could just have chosen a smaller piece of space on which to start measuring. But the rate of change 1/a * da/dt is very meaningful - the relative change rate known as the Hubble parameter. It is from measurements of the doppler effect on light (called redshift/blueshift for stars moving away from/towards us) that we can get a handle on this and see that a(t) is indeed increasing - the universe is expanding. The point of inflation is to understand a model in which a(t) was not only increasing, but accelerating, but that's a much longer discussion.

      Hope that helps!

    21. Re:Inflationary theory by master_p · · Score: 1

      How do we know that the CMBR is not the result of another phenomenon? Could it be, for example, the result of the virtual particle soup that permeats the universe? Is there no alternative explanations for it?

    22. Re:Inflationary theory by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Funny

      I should be clear: My experience is with scalar field inflation with a quadratic potential

      The world needs a lot more people who say things like this. :D

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    23. Re:Inflationary theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got to AKA "your" and idiot, laughed, and stopped reading. "Your" a fool.

    24. Re:Inflationary theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Science is actually getting better and better and they give us more and more evidence for the existence of God. There is no other type of force that could produce ALL the quarks in the known universe within 10 (-24) secs of the Big Bang. This Quark Epoch is really the Embryo of everything we know and carried all the information that the universe needed from this tiniest fraction of time down into the present. My lifelong experiments have told me that anyone can tap into this energy if they try hard enough and are aware of this modern scientific fact. For more on my theory of everything - www.TheBigBangDaily.com God has blessed us all for 13.7 Billion years and counting. We're just now awakening to the beauty and serenity of this knowledge through the burgeoning Information Age.

    25. Re:Inflationary theory by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Ah, see, the problem is you've got wrong how the idea of inflation came about.

      Basically, since the CMB is so uniform, the different parts of the cosmos must have been in contact at some point in the past. When you run the numbers, this cannot have been the case if the old big bang theory (a big explosion, followed by slowing in the rate of expansion due to gravity) were the case. Enter inflation. It solves the CMB uniformity problem.

      But the CMB isn't completely uniform - there are fluctuations. Well, inflation also explains those, VERY well. I saw the observation vs. theory graph once. It's very good.

      Inflation is a good model. It's not a hack that some guy made up one day because it happened to fit one particular observation and nothing else.

    26. Re:Inflationary theory by jd · · Score: 1

      Let's start with quantum foam. No, it most assuredly isn't nonsense - if you cannot understand what I write, it merely means that you do not understand what I write, it does not make what I write wrong. I will go through this more slowly, then. The laws of thermodynamics strictly prohibit having any point with zero entropy. If there is neither mass nor energy, then you have no entropy. This is therefore a prohibited state. Which is why quantum foam is needed at all, there's bugger all observational evidence for it.

      However, when a particle forms in quantum foam, it forms with its opposite pair. Always. The sum MUST equal zero. That is a requirement of the conservation of information, plus the conservation of matter/energy. Neither information NOR matter/energy can be created nor destroyed. EVER. These particles form, diverge, converge, collide and produce nothing. No matter-antimatter reactions here, this is strictly a zero-sum game. So, you ask, what is this sum of? Matter? Energy? Information? Everything. That should be obvious. If you cannot create or destroy information, then when these particles form, no NET information can be being added to the universe. However, if the particles in and of themselves had no information, no mass, no energy, then you would still have no entropy and would have utterly failed in the point of the exercise.

      (God, sometimes I feel like I'm trying to teach schoolkids. Actually, no, I -have- taught schoolkids. They actually did a decent job of following the logic.)

      Now for T=0. See Hawking's statements after visiting Pope John Paul. THEN come back and read this. Hey, off you go. You won't understand (and obviously won't accept) a word of this until you listen to the source I am working from. Yes, the source I am working from. A Professor Stephen Hawking. You may have heard of him. I've done rather more than heard of him, I've attended his lectures.

      Spacetime is curved, and it curves more where there is more mass. That curvature can be expressed as a differential equation, Professor Hawking (yes, him again) expressed it as a parabola with no discontinuities and no singularities. He also talked of "imaginary time", but since his explanation suggested that this was not a reference to T=sqrt(-1), I wasn't particularly interested in that aspect of his explanation. I was much more concerned with a growing theory that time also has dimensions and was busy exploring that.

      Anyways, if you factor in that spacetime curves with mass into the early universe, not merely space, then you get the result that there is - in Professor Hawking's words - "no point of creation and therefore no need of a Creator".

      The energy density required is nowhere near as great as you claim. I forget the specific New Scientist article that gave the workings and results, you'll need to get off your backside and look it up like everyone else. It's about 20 years ago now that there was a large feature on inflationary theory, maybe a little older. I'm not hunting through all the back issues of a journal for the 1980s for one solitary Slashdot reader who can't be arsed to do the basic research.

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    27. Re:Inflationary theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me begin by asking you to be less insulting/insulted in your responses. I pity any schoolkids you did teach if this is how you respond. How's about first starting by answering the basics: What is time changing with respect to? If you can't answer that, I'd suggest you don't know what you're talking about. Likewise parabolas, curves etc - you have to give these dimensions: What are they? Your entropy: What is the coarse graining you're using? What are you microscopic and macroscopic variables that allow for the entropy? If you have a foam appear that has zero sum spins, say, of two spin 1/2 particles, there most assuredly IS entropy in this system as there are two configurations for the spins.

      I'd also suggest you look up the information loss in black holes - information is indeed thought to be lost (see Preskill: hep-th/9209058), and is the source of quite the paradox in supposedly unitary theories of physics.

      "However, when a particle forms in quantum foam, it forms with its opposite pair" Opposite in what? Certainly not mass - unless you're claiming that negative mass particles exist? But if not, how is mass being conserved? (Hint: It isn't). Opposite in Energy like you state? Really? Negative energy particles now exist?

      Nice appeal to authority on Hawking AND the Pope. Good grief, if two men so infallible have been heard by you, it must be true. How's about an ad hominem to go with it? Seriously, give me what time is changing with respect to or go home, because terms like 'rate of change of time' don't make sense. Anyone can sit in a Hawking lecture - what are your proven credentials, if you want to act as authority? A PhD in string theory perhaps?

      The extrinsic curvature of a three-slice in a homogeneous cosmology can indeed by expressed by a differential equation: It's basically derived from Friedmann's equation which states that H^2 = 8piG \rho/3 relating the expansion of the universe to its energy density. Plug in your favorite equation of state for matter and off you go, but you'll find that curvature (K(t)) follows t^-n for some n dependent on the matter (this is 3 for dust, for example, 4 for radiation IIRC) thus the singularity K -> infinity at FINITE time. t-> 0. For an easy introduction to this, see Wald's book on General Relativity.

      Now a reference for you since I will provide mine:

      Linde: http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0503195

      The planck mass is 10^19 GeV. Do the math - you'll find that it really is akin to the galaxy in subatomic scale, not what you're claiming in your unreferenced statements.

      Some help on your imaginary time: Hawking was referencing using a Wick Rotation - analytically continuing t -> it so that Lorentzian manifolds become Riemannian, which is the preferred setting for his work on path integral formulations of gravity. This allows you to calculate your action now on a finite, simple single-boundary space avoiding issues of cutoffs a la Gibbons-York-Brown. It's a neat trick, if you know how to pull it off right.

      PS: Next time you respond to a "Slashdot reader who can't be arsed to do the basic research" you might consider that it could be someone who has a PhD in quantum gravity and is trying to help.

    28. Re:Inflationary theory by budgenator · · Score: 1

      No it's more like placing the balloon inside a vacuum chamber and reducing the external pressure a bit.

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    29. Re:Inflationary theory by jd · · Score: 1

      Since the only sneering was by your good self, you should spend a little more time considering the properties of a mirror.

      Since there isn't a theory of quantum gravity, I seriously doubt anyone doing a PhD in it is going to be very helpful. (The idea that gravity originates in a different membrane is, at best, suspect - and that is the best suggestion out there so far.) Also, nobody seriously disputes time is curved by gravity - we had measured that effect in the 1950s. Well, apparently YOU dispute this, but since nobody else does, I'm more inclined to believe that they're right. They, after all, don't need to post as anonymous cowards. However, I'm feeling whimsical. Amuse me. Produce your proof that they are wrong. I presented mine to Warwick University and they seemed entirely satisfied.

      According to a strict reading of pre-Einstinian spacetime geometry, time would curve with respect to space. (-1)^2 = i^2 = j^2 = k^2 doesn't give you anything else in which time can curve. Indeed, this can be shown to be necessarily true from the way in which the equations of Special Relativity were crafted by Einstein. You do know those equations, right? And you do understand how they can be derived geometrically? Yes? No?

      However, in superstring and M-Theory, there are an additional 8 dimensions defined. Geometrically, this doesn't work - 12-dimensional universes are simply too mathematically ugly. The next size that would work is 16 dimensions. Regardless of which you go for, that gives you a hell of a lot of possible things space can curve through (since any combination is possible - it doesn't have to be one).

      Indeed, were this mythical quantum gravity theory for which you are apparently studying to exist and be based on the best candidate so far, if gravity bends time and gravity has a source offset in those upper dimensions, then the curvature of time must also have a component in those upper dimensions. (It should be obvious to anyone that applying a force along one vector cannot produce a reaction whose vector is orthogonal to the one along which the force was applied. The only possible way in which time can not be curved at all in any dimension 5-12 would be if this rule were, in fact, false. The fraction is of no importance - either it is zero or it is non-zero.)

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  13. Has anything to come out of string theory ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... actually been proven?

    For 30 years, string theorists have been promising The Next Great Idea in Physics, but they have little to show for their work beyond some, admittedly, dazzling mathematical insights ... into math.

    It's all just smoke, mirrors, and PhDs until they come up with something that can be, you know, verified -- either by a collider or through observation.

    1. Re:Has anything to come out of string theory ... by sgt101 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think that there are some really interesting predictions of how gravity should behave on a submicron scale which could rule out (or in) large number of potential string theories.

      Of course, while I can imagine that gravity could be tested on a submicron scale when I start to try and imagine what kind of experiment could be constructed that actually did that I start to flail about and gape and make little clucking noises. I expect there are a fair number of physics fellas doing the same.

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    2. Re:Has anything to come out of string theory ... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... actually been proven?

      Yes: We have conclusive proof that string theory leads to publications. :-)

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    3. Re:Has anything to come out of string theory ... by natehoy · · Score: 1

      I start to flail about and gape and make little clucking noises. I expect there are a fair number of physics fellas doing the same.

      Yeah, but we gave Hawking a voice simulator years ago.

      [sorry, I know I'm going to Slashdot Hell for that one]

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    4. Re:Has anything to come out of string theory ... by lgw · · Score: 1

      String theory hoven proven worthless. However, not all physicists were suckered into it, and so there's been cool stuff going on in other areas. The CMBR stuff that less to TFA, for example, I find exciting. It's cosmology, except wit 2 significant digits - I never expected to see that.

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    5. Re:Has anything to come out of string theory ... by kmac06 · · Score: 1

      We kind of already are doing that. Look up atom interferometers.

    6. Re:Has anything to come out of string theory ... by sgt101 · · Score: 1

      I don't claim to know a bean about this, but perhaps this paper indicates the issues and opportunities, and challenges!

      http://www.slac.stanford.edu/econf/C0507252/papers/T032.PDF

      Of course - it would take considerable time and effort to actually be able to say if the paper was sensible and meaningful, but I think that it appears to be an indication of the topic I was alluding to.

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  14. Few comments? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the number of comments is inversely proportional to the number of words from the article that have to be deciphered with a dictionary.

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  15. Why "mother"? by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

    Why do they say "mother" particle? Is it because mothers have a tendency to inflate after giving birth and getting married? ;-)

    1. Re:Why "mother"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's more closely related to the fetish of the same name and the scientists repressed childhoods.

    2. Re:Why "mother"? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      During this period in the big bang, particles had not formed yet. If you view the universe at this stage as a single particle (which you could, since it contains all energy and mass in the universe in a single entity), it creates all the other particles, but more than that it is the beginning of our current universe.

      AKA, the mother of the universe, mother of all particles, mother of all matter, etc.

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    3. Re:Why "mother"? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      It's the particle that gave birth to the universe. From the very first sentence of TFA: "The inflaton particle is credited with generating the universe and fuelling its inflation."

  16. Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by bjorniac · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "inflation" we're talking about here is the accelerated expansion of the early universe. So, first off why do we need it?

    It turns out that parts of the observable cosmic microwave background are 'causally disconnected'. This means that you take two patches of sky as observed at the time the CMB formed (300k years after the big bang, we now think - approximately 15 billion years ago) and track their behavior back to the big bang. In the normal models where the universe is full of dust or radiation they never were in contact in the past: Light from one area could never reach another. Why is this a problem? Because they are remarkably similar. They appear to have come into thermal equilibrium (same temperature) yet this shouldn't be possible if they were never in contact. So we need to have a method by which the universe expanded faster before this period.

    There are a few ways to do this - one is a cosmological constant. But the problem with a constant is that it's constant - we should still see it today, and we don't. The universe is not expanding that fast anymore - the bounds we can place on the cosmological constant today put it well below the effect we want from inflation. What we need is something that acts like a cosmological constant for a while and then drops away. This is what inflationary models are all about. The inflaton is a theoretical particle that starts off behaving like the comsmological constant, but eventually decays into the matter we see today. We model this by a particle moving in a potential - think of a ball rolling on the side of a hill. How the inflaton behaves is all about the ratio of its kinetic to potential energy - high potential energy looks like a cosmological constant, high kinetic energy looks more like normal matter. (I can explain this in more detail if anyone's interested). So the ball rolls down the hill, losing potential, gaining kinetic (there's also friction from the expansion of the universe so it loses 'energy' overall) and hence our inflaton does exactly what we need - slowly changing from looking like a cosmological constant to normal matter. In theory too, it decays once it reaches the bottom of the hill, but no-one provides much of a model for this.

    This is old (20-30 years old is old in theory standards) stuff from Linde, Mukhanov etc. No-one would take it seriously, except that when you calculate things from it, it works incredibly well - it's the source of http://xkcd.com/54/ - it's still controversial. Some people love it, others think it's a fudge and doesn't do much for you. The new stuff here is that there is a method being proposed by which a multiplet of supersymmetric particles (again, I can say a bit more but it's not my field) is shown to be able to act like the inflaton. Ie a stable state of multiple particles bound together could act this way, and could be found at the LHC. Now, that's a lot of 'could' - the usual inflaton mass is set to around 10^12 GeV - way above what the LHC can reach, and this is the same across most inflationary models. But if the LHC can see evidence of supersymmetry (again, another discussion, but it is thought to be likely that if supersymmetry is real then the LHC will see it) it might be able to at least give some credibility to some of these models of inflation.

    1. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      However, if there are things causally connected which wouldn't be with normal expansion, my intuitive reaction would be that the early universe was expanding slower than the normal models predict, so that the distant regions had enough time to interact. Indeed, faster expansion seems quite counterproductive in this regard.

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    2. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Informative

      No-one would take [inflation] seriously, except that when you calculate things from it, it works incredibly well - it's the source of http://xkcd.com/54/

      Not quite. You don't need inflation to get the blackbody spectrum of the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR) observed by the COBE satellite, which is what the xkcd comic depcits. That's a prediction of plain vanilla Big Bang cosmology, with or without an early inflationary phase.

      However, inflation does predict details in the CMBR angular power spectrum, the "acoustic peaks", which were observed by the later WMAP satellite. And it solves other "paradoxes", like the horizon problem you mention.

    3. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by bjorniac · · Score: 1

      You're right - it's a blackbody spectrum not the angular power spectrum. My mistake.

    4. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by bjorniac · · Score: 1

      Should have gone with

      http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/files/uploads/wmapspectrum.png

      instead. Now that's a model that fits data! :)

    5. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by smolloy · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is that you need a mechanism whereby two objects close enough together to thermalize, are pushed far enough apart fast enough that they appear to be too far apart to have equalized.

      I think.

    6. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They appear to have come into thermal equilibrium (same temperature) yet this shouldn't be possible if they were never in contact. So we need to have a method by which the universe expanded faster before this period.

      No "need". It could be coincidence or have another reason.

    7. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

      Light from one area could never reach another. Why is this a problem? Because they are remarkably similar. They appear to have come into thermal equilibrium (same temperature) yet this shouldn't be possible if they were never in contact. So we need to have a method by which the universe expanded faster before this period.

      Maybe they have the same temperature because they were made/subject-to a similar environment, simply because they shared a similar history and so changed in similar ways.

      Alternatively they could have been entangled (quantum spooky action at a distance), although the high energies would probably have broken entanglement, but maybe things were different back then.

    8. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by bjorniac · · Score: 1

      But 'coincidence' doesn't cut it for science - it's one hell of a coincidence that the temperature of the entire sky varies by less than one part in 10,000. It could be a coincidence that we orbit the sun and our angular momentum is constant, but as it turns out there are fundamental and simple laws governing this motion. Finding these laws is the job of science. As for another reason, yes there could be one but there aren't many hypotheses for what this other reason could be, and none that have been tested the way inflation has. This is how science works - you see something odd, try to make some model to explain it, see if your explanation has further implications and what they are and see if those implications are realized.

    9. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by bjorniac · · Score: 1

      Similar environments and histories has been posited a number of times, but given just how similar the regions are and how many of them there are it doesn't seem likely. But more so, this only pushes the question further back: Why were their histories identical? Did they all start in roughly the same state? Why? And at the same time?

      Entanglement requires causal contact. Two particles are entangled when they have been in contact, and then move apart, so this doesn't help.

    10. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by bjorniac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "black hole hits critical mass"

      What mass is this? How do you fix the scale?

      "black hole explodes"

      By what mechanism? How does a trapped surface become untrapped? Where does the mass go if the region is still dense enough to cause a trapped horizon, how can it 'explode'? ...

      "stars coalesce along with planets from gas and matter in the expanding galaxy"

      Actually planets come from exploded stars.

      "Gravity, though seemingly weak, eventually slows the galaxy down enough to where it begins contracting again."

      It's more than that - it's the entire universe. Except, that's only if the universe is above a critical density, i.e. we're in a closed universe. Which we don't know. In fact, for some reason the rate of expansion appears to be accelerating.

      Anyone can have a crazy guess about how the universe works. The science part is formulating this in a rigorous manner, fitting it with existing knowledge and making testable predictions.

    11. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

      But I thought that the point of the big bang was that the universe started out from a single point, so everything (or the precursor to everything) was in one place -- ie everything in contact with everything else???

    12. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not my field

      Badum, tish.

    13. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by MoeDrippins · · Score: 1

      > They appear to have come into thermal equilibrium (same temperature) yet this shouldn't be possible if they were never in contact.

      This has always bothered me, and I'm certainly not trained in these disciplines so that may be the sole reason, but ... why should 2 areas *NOT* be the same temperature simply because they haven't "met"? It's impossible that 2 things in the early universe can't have *independently* arrived at the same state?

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    14. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by bjorniac · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not just two areas, it's any two areas. If the model you're considering doesn't have inflation, the number of patches of sky that are causally past disconnected yet have the same temperature is of the order of a million. Two things independently reaching the same state is a curiosity (well, it depends on how close they are really, but we'll let that go for now). A million things on the other hand, well, that's more than just curious.

    15. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by bjorniac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, now you're into the fun stuff: Just about every physicist believes that general relativity will have to be modified by quantum mechanics at some stage and at least once you get to energy densities around the planck density (this value comes mostly from dimensional analysis - it's more of an order of magnitude thing). Since the standard big bang that results from GR has infinite density, we believe that corrections will happen before you get there - that quantum mechanical effects take place and that we can't trust GR when we get above the planck density. Therefore, since we don't have a proven quantum theory of gravity (there are some interesting, even heroic attempts but nothing anywhere near tested) we simply have to say that somewhere in the past, probably around the planck density, we don't have any good prediction for what's going on. So we can't just say that everything started in the same place (which was everywhere too - the joys of relativity :) ), as GR predicts.

      Another outlook on this is that we know quantum mechanics will be seriously affecting matter at this stage too - the temporal heisenberg principle is between energy and time and hence there should be a large difference in energies (and hence temperatures) between nearby points, yet somehow they come out of this highly quantum mechanical phase into a classical phase in which they should be out of causal contact and yet somehow thermalize.

    16. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by MoeDrippins · · Score: 1

      I guess I haven't studied it enough and I don't have the requisite background. I understand what you're saying from a mathematical point of view, but I guess my gut just doesn't understand why something that expanded from ~the size of a proton can't show homogeneity without a hyper inflationary phase. I'll keep reading the comments here to try and get a sense of it. Thanks for your patience!

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    17. Re:Brief(!) Explanation of Inflation by bjorniac · · Score: 1

      No problem - this is stuff I work on, and I figure I ought to at least be able to explain some of it to Slashdot readers :)

      Things that are proton sized certainly can be homogeneous, but this is more of a case of millions of protons forming and somehow without ever knowing about one another having exactly the same characteristics.

  17. Re:inflayton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  18. Wooh! A peanut! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I should have looked sooner!

  19. Translation by jewishbaconzombies · · Score: 1

    CERN's gonna blow this shit up!

    And they say you can't make science interesting for kids....

  20. Between a football and a football field? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was that regular American football or that Metric Football they have elsewheres?

  21. Matter = mother, at least etymologically by jenik · · Score: 1

    Did you know that "matter" is (likely) derived from "mater", Latin for "mother"? http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=matter That makes your last sentence deliciously tautological :-)

  22. Never tell me the odds. by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    There might or might not be a $20 bill in my wallet; I won't know for certain until I look for it?

    The likelihood of there NOT being a $20 bill in your wallet approaches infinity

    Don't you mean "approaches one"?

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  23. SUSY? by NemoinSpace · · Score: 1

    SUSY appears to be an extraordinary gratuitous abbreviation for a perfectly understandable word - supersymmetry. Physics is hard enough to keep up with. I don't understand half of what Physicists say (except Susskind), no need to use secret code. I guess that's what I get for RTFA.

    1. Re:SUSY? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Su-per-sym-met-ry. Five syllables. Su-sy. Two syllables. See why they did it?

      If your job involved referring to supersymmetry constantly you'd probably shorten it too. Does the abbreviation belong in a news article? Maybe not, but it doesn't really hurt anything.