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Bicycles As a Gateway To Government Control

somaTh writes "Dan Maes, a candidate for governor of Colorado, thinks he's found an international conspiracy that starts with bike sharing. The article describes his current complaints with the incumbent's policies. 'The bike program in it of itself, if that's all it is, I wouldn't be opposed to it,' Maes told 9NEWS. 'What I am opposed to is if it's part of a bigger program that the mayor has signed on to as part of a UN program. That I would be opposed to.' He goes on to argue that the bicycle program is only a gateway into bigger policies including, but not limited to, forced abortions and population control. I understand that bike seats are uncomfortable, but I had no idea it was on purpose."

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  1. I didn't know by compucomp2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that the UN would be coordinated enough with all of its corruption and ineffectiveness (especially if you listen to guys like Maes) to execute such a nefarious plot.

    1. Re:I didn't know by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The UN can be, like Obama, both corrupt and ineffective, and diabolically genius at the same time. The rich can be corrupt plutocrats who purchase government wholesale, and an oppressed minority who desperately need tax cuts, all at the same time. Conservative thinking requires no logical connection between its premises.

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    2. Re:I didn't know by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wish Democrats were that organized and good at staying on message. The Democrats' problem is that they fight amongst themselves all the time because they can't all agree on the right way forward. Exactly the opposite of Republicans.

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    3. Re:I didn't know by Americano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This would be an awesome point, if only "corrupt," "ineffective," and "diabolical genius" were traits that were mutually exclusive of one another!

      Just as calling for tax cuts on the wealthy need not conflict with the assertion that there are corrupt plutocrats who are purchasing the government wholesale, unless you're claiming that the only reason we have taxes are to keep people from getting too rich to corrupt the political process? Or are you suggesting that once someone gets some money, they will always turn to corrupting the political process?

      Pairing a couple claims you disagree with doesn't mean that the positions are incompatible with one another. It is entirely possible to be a diabolical genius who is both corrupt, and ineffective. It is also possible to hold the economic policy that tax cuts on the wealthy are a good thing while decrying the fact that some wealthy people who happen to be corrupt are purchasing the government wholesale. The positions are not logically inconsistent with one another, you just happen to disagree with them.

    4. Re:I didn't know by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wish Democrats were that organized and good at staying on message. The Democrats' problem is that they fight amongst themselves all the time because they can't all agree on the right way forward. Exactly the opposite of Republicans.

      What, they all agree completely on the wrong way forward?

      Yes, as I said, Republicans all agree on the wrong way forward.

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    5. Re:I didn't know by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unlike Slashdot where everyone agrees 100% with everyone else

      You do notice that you're arguing with someone here, which means there are at least two people disagreeing, right? Also, you're both being modded up, which means that some people agree with you and some people agree with him.

      It often seems to me that when someone complains here about Slashdot groupthink, it's because they say dumb things and have no ability to process intelligent disagreement.

  2. And this is the problem with America by davmoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No matter how way out these whack-jobs are, there are people who believe them and will vote for them.

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    1. Re:And this is the problem with America by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      there are people who believe them and will vote for them.

      Too many people spending too much time watching the Fox Propaganda Network.

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    2. Re:And this is the problem with America by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... the MSNBC lefty spin vortex ... the NPR Intelligensia Superiore Ruling Class network ... the ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN all-Obama-pats-on-the-back-all-the-time networks ...

      Thank you for demonstrating so thoroughly what GPP was talking about.

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    3. Re:And this is the problem with America by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One explanation for what you perceive could be that there's a vast conspiracy controlling most of the news media.

      Another, much simpler, explanation could be that you're wrong.

      Occam's Razor FTW?

    4. Re:And this is the problem with America by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One explanation for what you perceive could be that there's a vast conspiracy controlling most of the news media

      Who said anything about a conspiracy? I'm pointing out that most "news" outlets have an editorial orientation, and that the majority of those very demonstrably lean noticeably to the left. To pretent otherwise is absurd. That's what makes the shrill, foot-stamping, name-calling stuff aimed at one cable channel ring so particularly hollow.

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  3. Gov Conspiracy by alphatel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also brought to you by the Folks Who Is Convinced That Mr. Obama is one of them Muzlams

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    1. Re:Gov Conspiracy by blair1q · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey, if you could install a brain fungus in 20% of the people that would make them vote for your plutocratic ideal without knowing about it, you would.

  4. Republican by siriuskase · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In case you care, he's a Republican. I wonder how closely he follows the party line? Or maybe party is irrelevant on /.

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  5. It is what we want... by laughing+rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...we keep electing them.

    Bless their pointy little heads.

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  6. FTFA: by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It's all part of this population control mentality that we as humans are the disease," Strauch said.

    Yes, from the point of the view of the planet and every other living thing, we are the disease. There's somewhere around 6+ billion people, happily eating, consuming, polluting, and destroying to our hearts' content. Installing higher efficiency light bulbs or buying Prius' or switching to riding a bike aren't going to avert a collapse in our global ecology/economy. We have to stop destroying our food and ecosystems on which we rely and undo the damage we've done. In short, stop charging to our children's credit cards, start paying them off, then start saving. Switching to riding a bike is like spending just a little less on their credit cards. We have to do so much more.

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    1. Re:FTFA: by batquux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes if everybody on the planet each got a knife made out of recycled glass and used it carefully to murder a neighbour, then the whole problem would be halved over night.

      More than halved. Actually, that would about take care of it.

    2. Re:FTFA: by Americano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Once again, you're identifying the problem as "too many people". If that's the case, then why aren't you simply saying "Let the ones who can't fend for themselves die off?"

      The problem is one of technology. Technology is not, in and of itself, "bad." Compare lifestyles today with lifestyles 200 years ago, and see how much it has improved things. If we can agree that technology is the solution, and it simply needs to get better / more sustainable / less damaging to the environment, then we have a basis for discussion.

      If you insist on saying that the only way to live on this planet is for us to cull the population until we reach some sort of "golden number" which you've decided is sustainable, then all I can say to that is: "Sure, you go right ahead and suicide first. I'll keep working on a technological solution."

  7. Not so fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Judging by history, nearly every single expansion of government power is later used as precedent for yet even more expansion of government power. Every year we are subject to more laws, more spending, and increasingly larger attacks on our freedom (from our own government that is, not the enemy du jour). It's obvious that if expanding the business of government isn't the #1 priority, it's damn near close.

    There's a reason why the US government of today dwarfs the US government of only 50, let alone 100 years ago, both in revenue and power over the people -- and it's not because the elite at the top don't know exactly how to expand their business.

    1. Re:Not so fast by 1984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, you may well have a point in there. But thinking that opt-in bicycle sharing schemes are a great example of the thin end of that wedge is just, you know... fucking bonkers.

    2. Re:Not so fast by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In principle, you have a point that's worth examining in reasoned discussion. But in fact, this argument by Maes is one of the nuttiest misapplications of the slippery-slope argument I've heard in months.

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  8. So, intelligent use of resources = socialism by jbeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Therefore, the only way to be free is to be stupid and waste resources.

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    1. Re:So, intelligent use of resources = socialism by jbeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually the opposite can be true - if something is truly intelligent and prudent, it can be difficult for private companies to make money on it.

      This would be one of the main reasons why car companies bought and destroyed streetcars -

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal

      And also we don't have mass-produced solar power - no one's figured out yet how to put a meter on the Sun.

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  9. How to get elected. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "What I am opposed to is if it's part of a bigger program that the mayor has signed on to as part of a UN program.

    Use people's fears and suck them in.

    • Deadbeats sponging off of the Government at taxpayer expense.
    • UN taking our sovereignty away
    • [Fill in right] will be taken away by other party.
    • Other party will tax us more
    • Other party will open the flood gates for illegals
    • Other party kills babies
    • Other party will allow people to marry sheep
    • Other party hates God
    • Others are against the troops
    • Others hate America
    • Other isn't tough on [crime, terrorism, drugs, child pornography]

    I don't find the politicians as disgusting as the morons who buy into the rhetoric; which unfortunately, they have enough sway to set the tone of politics in this country.

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  10. we are in a new era of mccarthyism by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    mccarthyism was an era of fear of "secret communists" everywhere, and joe mccarthy successfully inserted himself as demagogue in chief of the wave of fear and hysteria sweeping the land in the time of sputnik and soviets with an atom bomb. strangely, it was also an era when 3D movies were all the rage... spin that observation into your own paranoid schizophrenic conspiracy theory

    one of the up and coming tea party types will be the next joe mccarthy. they will use this sort of paranoid schizophrenic break with reality to describe "secret muslims" (that's what obama is, ya know), "secret socialists", "secret fascists", etc. taken on their own, theses hysterical creative inventions are like a farcical hollywood movie. but so many actually and truly believe this crap

    there's just a certain panicky low iq kind of human, in the usa and other countries, who is apparently about as gullible as a toddler in a carnival haunted house ride, and for whatever reason, they only believe the most fantastical fearful propaganda they encounter. i guess reality is too mundane and boring? i don't know what to do about these people, they have these coordinated waves of fear throughout history, and i don't know if there is an effective way to defuse their delusional problems before they damage our societies

    its the same as the salem witch trials: she dresses funny, and floats, so she's a witch, so kill her before she hurts us. in the era of joe mccarthy, it was fluoridated water (fluoridated water was not to strengthen teeth, but to turn you into a communist). later there were "chemtrails": jet airplanes contrails were seeding the atmosphere with mind control chemicals. people really and truly believed and believe this nonsense. its alternatively hilarious and frightening. it tells you the mentality of how lynch mobs form, its a sad phenomenon of human sociology

    and this manipulated fearmongered hysteria is the mentality that is sweeping the land right now. sad

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  11. Re:Salient and stupid by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It doesn't matter if his point is legitimate, or if he clearly makes the statement that he wants time to study what the mayor has signed onto. He's a republican and he doesn't like bikes. This has nothing to do with an environmental initiative that is being spearheaded without review. Remember if you want bills to be read by congress before they are voted on then you are a racist who doesn't like the children or the poor. It's funny who people who opposed the Patriot Act for all the right reasons turn a blind eye to this new wave of legislation that is going through without checks or balances of any kind, and without even the time for everyone to know what it's all about. Remember Ted Stevens said the Internet is made of tubes, not that he did anything good or bad. Move along folks, nothing to see here other than a Republican who doesn't like bikes.

  12. Re:Salient and stupid by raddan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's the whole point about programs for the greater good, though-- it need not turn a profit because it's FOR THE GREATER GOOD. Yeah, sometimes small businesses get wiped out. If that's your most important criteria, you will never make a change for the better, because it will always have some bad.

    People complain all the time that Amtrak doesn't make a profit, but... nobody seems to notice or care that our roads don't either.

  13. WHY is this is the problem with America? by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems like the crazy theories are getting more traction (at least, they're getting more people talking about them as if they were real).

    I blame the media - Glenn Beck, FOX, CNN. It's apparently cheaper to yammer on about random stuff than to pay real journalists to gather real news. And it seems to get better ratings. Of course, this increase in ratings means that the old line news organizations see they are losing out and feel the need to climb onto the bandwagon. And, of course, we all enjoy a bit of gossip and a good conspiracy theory.

    It's all fun and games until a majority of people in your town start thinking of the National Enquirer as a reliable source of news. Seriously, people, some of this stuff is from WAY out in left field. {joke alert} Even I'm starting to believe Obama's "long form" (because the "short form" and a legal affadavit from the Hawaiian secretary of state aren't good enough) birth certificate is being hidden at the UN to keep us from learning the truth!

    So...how do we reverse this and encourage more critical thinking? I fear for our democracy if this silliness continues much longer.

  14. Re:Commie Bikes !!! by node+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The political spectrum in America has shifted so far to the right that pre-80s Republicans and modern-day Democrats are very similar. Eisenhower, Nixon, Theodore Roosevelt, would all be drummed out of the Republican party today for being extreme liberal socialists.

  15. Re:What a fucking retard. by magus_melchior · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In other words, he's using the Sarah Palin playbook that both Sharron Angle and Rand Paul bought: Say something completely stupid and/or insane in the presence of national media or bloggers, and later blame them for publishing the stupid/insane thing you said.

    I can't imagine why the idiot right-wing candidates would adopt this strategy, considering that Palin was a major factor in her party's loss in 2008. Oh, wait...

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