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Bicycles As a Gateway To Government Control

somaTh writes "Dan Maes, a candidate for governor of Colorado, thinks he's found an international conspiracy that starts with bike sharing. The article describes his current complaints with the incumbent's policies. 'The bike program in it of itself, if that's all it is, I wouldn't be opposed to it,' Maes told 9NEWS. 'What I am opposed to is if it's part of a bigger program that the mayor has signed on to as part of a UN program. That I would be opposed to.' He goes on to argue that the bicycle program is only a gateway into bigger policies including, but not limited to, forced abortions and population control. I understand that bike seats are uncomfortable, but I had no idea it was on purpose."

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  1. I didn't know by compucomp2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that the UN would be coordinated enough with all of its corruption and ineffectiveness (especially if you listen to guys like Maes) to execute such a nefarious plot.

    1. Re:I didn't know by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The UN can be, like Obama, both corrupt and ineffective, and diabolically genius at the same time. The rich can be corrupt plutocrats who purchase government wholesale, and an oppressed minority who desperately need tax cuts, all at the same time. Conservative thinking requires no logical connection between its premises.

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    2. Re:I didn't know by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "8. The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies.

      When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers of Ur-Fascism must also be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy."

    3. Re:I didn't know by Americano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This would be an awesome point, if only "corrupt," "ineffective," and "diabolical genius" were traits that were mutually exclusive of one another!

      Just as calling for tax cuts on the wealthy need not conflict with the assertion that there are corrupt plutocrats who are purchasing the government wholesale, unless you're claiming that the only reason we have taxes are to keep people from getting too rich to corrupt the political process? Or are you suggesting that once someone gets some money, they will always turn to corrupting the political process?

      Pairing a couple claims you disagree with doesn't mean that the positions are incompatible with one another. It is entirely possible to be a diabolical genius who is both corrupt, and ineffective. It is also possible to hold the economic policy that tax cuts on the wealthy are a good thing while decrying the fact that some wealthy people who happen to be corrupt are purchasing the government wholesale. The positions are not logically inconsistent with one another, you just happen to disagree with them.

    4. Re:I didn't know by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wish Democrats were that organized and good at staying on message. The Democrats' problem is that they fight amongst themselves all the time because they can't all agree on the right way forward. Exactly the opposite of Republicans.

      What, they all agree completely on the wrong way forward?

      Yes, as I said, Republicans all agree on the wrong way forward.

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  2. And this is the problem with America by davmoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No matter how way out these whack-jobs are, there are people who believe them and will vote for them.

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    1. Re:And this is the problem with America by golden+age+villain · · Score: 4, Funny

      Personally I only use The Onion as a reliable source of information.

    2. Re:And this is the problem with America by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Interesting

      News Corp (fox news) is not the propaganda arm of the republican party.

      The republican party is the legislative arm of News Corp (fox news).

      They just bought $1million worth of republican governors.

    3. Re:And this is the problem with America by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... the MSNBC lefty spin vortex ... the NPR Intelligensia Superiore Ruling Class network ... the ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN all-Obama-pats-on-the-back-all-the-time networks ...

      Thank you for demonstrating so thoroughly what GPP was talking about.

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    4. Re:And this is the problem with America by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One explanation for what you perceive could be that there's a vast conspiracy controlling most of the news media.

      Another, much simpler, explanation could be that you're wrong.

      Occam's Razor FTW?

  3. Gov Conspiracy by alphatel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also brought to you by the Folks Who Is Convinced That Mr. Obama is one of them Muzlams

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  4. It is what we want... by laughing+rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...we keep electing them.

    Bless their pointy little heads.

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  5. Correction to summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    One correction - The incumbent in this election for governor is Bill Ritter who is not running for re-election. Maes Democratic opponent is John Hickenlooper who is currently the mayor of Denver

    1. Re:Correction to summary by smellsofbikes · · Score: 5, Informative

      One correction - The incumbent in this election for governor is Bill Ritter who is not running for re-election. Maes Democratic opponent is John Hickenlooper who is currently the mayor of Denver

      Correction to correction: Dan Maes somehow managed to win the Republican primary so he's the Republican candidate. He's facing Hickenlooper and independent-with-name-recognition Tom Tancredo, who ran for US President in 2008. Usually third-party candidates don't have a chance, but Tancredo has a lot of local support, so right now he's polling 18% with Hickenlooper at about 40% and Maes with about 30%.

      As an aside, every time I ride through Denver I see dozens of people out on those cute red bicycles. It's an amazingly successful program, that isn't supported by Federal, State, or local funds, and since the individuals who use the bikes have a financial stake (deposit, credit card info) in keeping the bikes in reasonable shape, it has a much higher chance of being successful in the long-term than many of the other city bike programs that have been floated. Plus, the bikes are keen. They weigh a ton but they have a huge cargo basket, so they're actually useful for lugging stuff. Two weeks ago I saw a couple riding them and they had a kid's bicycle in the basket of one bike, and the kid herself in the basket of the other bike -- not a WISE thing, but indicative of the flexibility the bikes can provide. They have front and rear lights that are always on when the bike's moving, compliments of a hub generator system, so they're quite visible. I think it's a fantastic program.

      I can't find the article right now but Dan Maes is on record as saying that Denver's bike program "may threaten our personal freedoms". Once you realize that the last job Maes had was as a used car salesman, his feelings might be more understandable, if not more sensible.

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  6. FTFA: by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It's all part of this population control mentality that we as humans are the disease," Strauch said.

    Yes, from the point of the view of the planet and every other living thing, we are the disease. There's somewhere around 6+ billion people, happily eating, consuming, polluting, and destroying to our hearts' content. Installing higher efficiency light bulbs or buying Prius' or switching to riding a bike aren't going to avert a collapse in our global ecology/economy. We have to stop destroying our food and ecosystems on which we rely and undo the damage we've done. In short, stop charging to our children's credit cards, start paying them off, then start saving. Switching to riding a bike is like spending just a little less on their credit cards. We have to do so much more.

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  7. So, intelligent use of resources = socialism by jbeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Therefore, the only way to be free is to be stupid and waste resources.

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    1. Re:So, intelligent use of resources = socialism by jbeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually the opposite can be true - if something is truly intelligent and prudent, it can be difficult for private companies to make money on it.

      This would be one of the main reasons why car companies bought and destroyed streetcars -

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal

      And also we don't have mass-produced solar power - no one's figured out yet how to put a meter on the Sun.

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  8. How to get elected. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "What I am opposed to is if it's part of a bigger program that the mayor has signed on to as part of a UN program.

    Use people's fears and suck them in.

    • Deadbeats sponging off of the Government at taxpayer expense.
    • UN taking our sovereignty away
    • [Fill in right] will be taken away by other party.
    • Other party will tax us more
    • Other party will open the flood gates for illegals
    • Other party kills babies
    • Other party will allow people to marry sheep
    • Other party hates God
    • Others are against the troops
    • Others hate America
    • Other isn't tough on [crime, terrorism, drugs, child pornography]

    I don't find the politicians as disgusting as the morons who buy into the rhetoric; which unfortunately, they have enough sway to set the tone of politics in this country.

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  9. we are in a new era of mccarthyism by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    mccarthyism was an era of fear of "secret communists" everywhere, and joe mccarthy successfully inserted himself as demagogue in chief of the wave of fear and hysteria sweeping the land in the time of sputnik and soviets with an atom bomb. strangely, it was also an era when 3D movies were all the rage... spin that observation into your own paranoid schizophrenic conspiracy theory

    one of the up and coming tea party types will be the next joe mccarthy. they will use this sort of paranoid schizophrenic break with reality to describe "secret muslims" (that's what obama is, ya know), "secret socialists", "secret fascists", etc. taken on their own, theses hysterical creative inventions are like a farcical hollywood movie. but so many actually and truly believe this crap

    there's just a certain panicky low iq kind of human, in the usa and other countries, who is apparently about as gullible as a toddler in a carnival haunted house ride, and for whatever reason, they only believe the most fantastical fearful propaganda they encounter. i guess reality is too mundane and boring? i don't know what to do about these people, they have these coordinated waves of fear throughout history, and i don't know if there is an effective way to defuse their delusional problems before they damage our societies

    its the same as the salem witch trials: she dresses funny, and floats, so she's a witch, so kill her before she hurts us. in the era of joe mccarthy, it was fluoridated water (fluoridated water was not to strengthen teeth, but to turn you into a communist). later there were "chemtrails": jet airplanes contrails were seeding the atmosphere with mind control chemicals. people really and truly believed and believe this nonsense. its alternatively hilarious and frightening. it tells you the mentality of how lynch mobs form, its a sad phenomenon of human sociology

    and this manipulated fearmongered hysteria is the mentality that is sweeping the land right now. sad

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  10. Re:Not so fast by 1984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, you may well have a point in there. But thinking that opt-in bicycle sharing schemes are a great example of the thin end of that wedge is just, you know... fucking bonkers.

  11. Re:Salient and stupid by raddan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's the whole point about programs for the greater good, though-- it need not turn a profit because it's FOR THE GREATER GOOD. Yeah, sometimes small businesses get wiped out. If that's your most important criteria, you will never make a change for the better, because it will always have some bad.

    People complain all the time that Amtrak doesn't make a profit, but... nobody seems to notice or care that our roads don't either.

  12. Re:What a fucking retard. by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nope, his handlers have reigned him in and told him he sounded like a wingnut conspiracy theorist. Just a few days after his comments he had this to say when asked by the news station: "I haven't even had the time to visit the terms of the agreement that Mayor Hickenlooper has signed off on. I am gonna beg a little patience from the media, so I can study the details of this program and then make a much more informed commentary about it."

    In other words, "I made a ridiculous accusation without even so much as reading the law I was talking about. Please, please, please ignore what I said earlier while I stall for time until this whole thing blows over."

  13. Re:Not so fast by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In principle, you have a point that's worth examining in reasoned discussion. But in fact, this argument by Maes is one of the nuttiest misapplications of the slippery-slope argument I've heard in months.

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  14. Am I missing something here? by mark-t · · Score: 4, Informative

    I mean... WTF?

    I read the article and reread and reread it, and I cannot even begin to see how, from *ANY* perspective that I can conceive of some other even modestly intelligent person having, that one could come to the conclusions that he did.

    Most conspiracy theories I've heard of have at least a shred of something to at least build the conspiracy on, but I just can't find any evidence of it in that article.

  15. Re:Not so fast by mea37 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Reality check. The government has been involved in transportation for as long as there have been public roads.

    I don't know the details of this program. I have definite preferences for how I'd like to see something like this structured, and depending on the details I might or might not support it.

    But to claim its a new expansion of government power just doesn't make sense. State and local governments in major cities always have their hands in public transportation in one way or another; it's true for bus, light rail, subway, etc.; so what's so special about bikes?

    Besides that, it would be quite a jump to extrapolate from "any old minor expansion of the government's function" to "restriction of personal liberties" and "population control". Can you propose a theory as to how this program contributes, even as a "tip of the wedge", to the surrendering of personal liberty to the government?

  16. Re:Commie Bikes !!! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

    OMG !!! ...what a jackass.

    Why does the summary not mention that this guy, who believes bicycles are part of an evil globalist plot, is a Tea Party-backed Republican?

    Am I wrong in thinking that's kind of an important detail to leave out?

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  17. Re:Lower Sperm Counts! by b1scuit · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a comfort and protection thing. It's the same reason people wear shoes, or gloves if they're doing something that may otherwise wear/cut the hands. When you think of someone who rides 30 miles daily (not an outlandish number AT ALL if you're into it), the number of times you cycle your legs is certainly enough to chafe if you're just wearing boxers and shorts, for example. Of course, some may wear them to prove they're serious about cycling, or because they WANT people to look at their labia, but that's just people being silly geese.

  18. Re:Commie Bikes !!! by node+3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It goes against the Republican party's values. They only believe in killing people after they've been born.

  19. Re:Commie Bikes !!! by node+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The political spectrum in America has shifted so far to the right that pre-80s Republicans and modern-day Democrats are very similar. Eisenhower, Nixon, Theodore Roosevelt, would all be drummed out of the Republican party today for being extreme liberal socialists.