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China's Nine-Day Traffic Jam Tops 62 Miles

A traffic jam on the Beijing-Tibet expressway has now entered its ninth day and has grown to over 62 miles in length. This mother-of-all delays has even spawned its own micro-economy of local merchants selling water and food at inflated prices to stranded drivers. Can you imagine how infuriating it must be to see someone leave their blinker on for 9 days?

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  1. Holy crap! by Anarki2004 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nine days?? I think I would walk home. Even if its 50 miles, that could be covered in nine days.I mean holy shit, wtf is the problem over there?

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    1. Re:Holy crap! by operagost · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not that every vehicle has been stuck in there for nine days: it's that the traffic has been crawling for nine days. Usually a traffic jam clears out at a later hour, but volume is too high even at night.

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    2. Re:Holy crap! by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole journey is 3620km long, and takes about 3 days to drive in normal traffic. Traffic is getting through, it is just running slowly because of road works to widen the road. The delays have been going on for 9 days, but that doesn't mean it is the same cars as 9 days ago.

    3. Re:Holy crap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      BINGO!

      In my county, "rush hour" lasts 5 hours each direction, but few individual cars are in the mire for more than 90 minutes,

    4. Re:Holy crap! by Abstrackt · · Score: 2, Funny

      So later in the article when it says that "The congestion was expected to last into mid-September as the road project will not be finished until then" you actually think the same cars will be stuck in traffic until mid-september?

      Those poor people...

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    5. Re:Holy crap! by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you for real? You actually believe its the same cars stuck in there for 9 days and not just a traffic bottleneck being over reported?

      I doubt cars have been stuck in there for all 9 days, but keep in mind that there are food and water vendors, which implies that cars are in fact stationary in the same place for an extended period.

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    6. Re:Holy crap! by cyfer2000 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The picture used in the AP news are traffic jam from an unrelated area. I call this good journalism. Following are some news from the real traffic jam, so you can get the real picture. A, B, C, D, E, F, G

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    7. Re:Holy crap! by ISoldat53 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reminds me of the party in Hitchhiker's Guide that lasted for generations.

  2. That gives me an idea by Cetme · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cue the Chinese remake of "Falling Down"...

    1. Re:That gives me an idea by g0bshiTe · · Score: 2, Funny

      So then the guy walking would be Chinese and the guy with the convenience store in the beginning would be American?

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    2. Re:That gives me an idea by retchdog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah, he could still be Korean and it'd work.

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  3. Idle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This must be the first time the Idle category is really apt.

  4. Call the Doctor! by Ambiguous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I saw this on an episode of Doctor Who.

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  5. False precision by DudeTheMath · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why convert from km to miles? TFA says it's over 100km, decidedly imprecise (it's probably not over 110km, but could easily be 104km). The poster converts for us to English measurements with an increased precision, with the implication that, while it's over 62 miles, it's not over 63.

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    1. Re:False precision by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Re your sig:

      Yes, I live in California. We spend 578 MILLION on high schools in districts with dropout rates approaching 50%, so we can drive fast. You do the math.

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  6. Significant figures by xaxa · · Score: 2, Informative

    When the article headline says "over 100km", the conversion -- if one is really required -- should be "over 60 miles".

    "The congestion was expected to last into mid-September as the road project will not be finished until then, the newspaper said."

    Sounds like they need to build some more railway.

  7. some people stay there for a long time... by jarkus4 · · Score: 5, Informative

    from another article (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/08/23/china-traffic-jam.html?ref=rss): "Another driver, Wang, told Xinhua he'd been stuck in the traffic jam for three days and two nights."

  8. For length, not so special by Gramie2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you look at traffic jams in Japan at the beginning and end of major holidays (New Year's, Golden Week, O-bon), the expressways around Tokyo usually have jams this long or longer. In the August 5-18 O-Bon holiday, they reported jams of more than 10 km occurring 596 times.

    That's what you get when you give most of the people in the country holidays at the same time.

  9. I say nay nay! by RevWaldo · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Great American Traffic Jam More to the point and much funnier, with a stellar b-list cast! The epitome of the 70s car comedies. (Not on DVD? WTF!)

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  10. Re:WTF by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For the 3620km inter-province highway, probably not. Cell phones tend not to work outside cities, and Tibet is a very rural area.

  11. Not Doctor Who - Omni Magazine, 1979 by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I really miss Omni Magazine from the late '70s and early '80s, with its bold predictions of the Brave New World coming in the then-distant New Millenium. One of my favorite stories was The Great Moveway Jam, a dystopian story of a traffic jam started by a little old lady who put on her left blinker, but turned right.

    The story was based in California, 1998-9 -- but China in 2010 makes a lot more sense. Especially since the solution to the jam, which extended "from San Diego to Santa Barbara, and... seventy-nine miles inland", involved building a wall to prevent "jamees" from abandoning their immobile vehicles, and a Final Solution that involved a lot of helicopters, a *whole* lot of cement, and airdropped suicide pills.

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  12. Doctor Who by Beardydog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wasn't this an episode of Doctor Who a couple of years ago? It turned out some kind of monster had organized the whole thing so it could eat people in the underground tunnels, I think.China should check for monsters.

  13. Translated to English by IceDogg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here in the United States, we call this phenomenon "Atlanta".

  14. Science Fiction Novel Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This jam sounds like something out of a William Gibson novel. Kwan Xiahacker is 19 years old, and makes a living providing computer security to the residents of the Beijing-Tibet expressway trafficjam, where he was born.

  15. Move the cargo traffic to rail! by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Move the cargo traffic to rail!

    1. Re:Move the cargo traffic to rail! by Ichijo · · Score: 2, Informative

      A big rig causes 9,600 times as much road wear as a car, but doesn't pay 9,600 times as much in taxes. So a simple solution is to make them pay the full cost, based on the weight of the vehicle and the number of axles.

      Faced with paying the full cost of transporting goods, the shipping companies will use rail more often, and that will reduce traffic congestion and save us money on repairing the roads.

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    2. Re:Move the cargo traffic to rail! by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      FWIW, that's not completely accurate. There is more to what constitutes wear on a highway than the vehicles that drive on it. You've got wear-and-tear from use, but you've also got to factor in the natural deprecation caused by weather, plants, etc.

      So if you wanted to assign true cost, you'd have a fixed fee (for all vehicles) assigned to cover the fixed costs, and a proportional fee levied to cover the variable use-dependent costs.

      Aside from that, your point stands.

      And I'd like to add that if we subsidize rail like we subsidize highways, it's be MUCH cheaper than currently, with much higher usage rates, and so we'd likely be able to afford a much better rail system.

      But for some reason we expect rail systems to be self-sufficient, while we sink billions upon billions into roads, highways, and waterways.

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  16. Re:i thought they all rode bikes in China by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're being sarcastic, but this used to be true. Rapid changes in China's internal economic policy have created a growing "middle class" whose buying habits are much like those of American consumers. That includes a new interest in automobiles, as status symbols and otherwise, resulting in China becoming the largest car market in the world. That's right: China now buys more cars than anybody, and that wasn't true just a few years ago. 33 years ago there were only about a million cars in all of China. There are now four million cars on the streets of Beijing alone, and the Chinese bought 13.6 million cars in 2009. Americans only bought 10.4 million.

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  17. You did by idji · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was the 2007 Doctor Who episode Grid Lock where in the year 5 billion and 53 the traffic in New New York was so bad it took 6 years to travel 10 miles in the high occupancy lane.

  18. Re:Just walk! by daremonai · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thank you, I'll be here all week.

    Well, yeah, considering you're stuck in that traffic jam.

  19. Re:Shut Down Access? by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sufficiently advanced libertarianism is indistinguishable from evil.

  20. Re:Shut Down Access? by Amlothi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is this modded insightful? It isn't. You are thinking about this from the perspective of what would happen in the US, and China is not the same. Obviously the poster and the mods have never spent much time in China.

    There are more people here that you can imagine. The infrastructure cannot keep up with the population growth. In this particular area, the only alternate road is under construction. Look at a map. It would take an extra 9 hours at least if you take an alternate route, and that is provided you can get off the highway, turn around, and go back.

    The government does it's best to control the traffic, but the number of people with cars is growing faster than they can keep up. In Beijing, you can only drive your car in the city 4 days a week. (Everyone has 1 day they are not allowed to drive, and it rotates.) Traffic is still horrible, even with 1/5 of the cars parked at home every day.

    It is a major throughfare connecting to the capital city. You cannot just "close access" to the entire highway for a 60 mile stretch. You would essentially be cutting off all of those rural communities from the rest of the country for the entire summer until the construction projects are complete.

    It just isn't feasible.

    cars are simply unable to move once on the ramp causing people to do u-turns, etc, which causes its own hazards...

    This confirms my suspicion what you have no idea what traffic is like in China. This (cars unable to move, illegal u-turns causing hazards, etc) happens all the time on a normal day here. The drivers are used to it, and they drive under the assumption that most people don't follow the rules.

    I realize that someone who has never left the US might not understand, and the gut reaction might be "OMG, look how uncivilized China is!" but that is just your ignorance showing through. The American media doesn't help, because (on some level) the powers that be want us to think that about China, so that is the national image of the PRC that is repeated over and over in the West.

    BTW, I was in Vermont during the Phish concert mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phish_festivals#Coventry
    The US isn't any better at handling the traffic situation. I don't recall them closing the highway in Vermont when this happened.

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