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Los Angeles Unveils $578 Million Public School

An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from an Associated Press report on next month's opening of the Robert F. Kennedy Community Schools in Los Angeles: "With an eye-popping price tag of $578 million, it will mark the inauguration of the nation's most expensive public school ever. The K-12 complex to house 4,200 students has raised eyebrows across the country as the creme de la creme of 'Taj Mahal' schools, $100 million-plus campuses boasting both architectural panache and deluxe amenities. ... At RFK, the features include fine art murals and a marble memorial depicting the complex's namesake, a manicured public park, and a state-of-the-art swimming pool. 'There's no more of the old, windowless cinderblock schools of the '70s where kids felt, "Oh, back to jail,"' said Joe Agron, editor-in-chief of American School & University, a school construction journal. 'Districts want a showpiece for the community, a really impressive environment for learning.' ... Critics note that nearly 3,000 teachers have been laid off over the past two years, the academic year and programs have been slashed, the district faces a $640 million shortfall and some schools persistently rank among the nation's lowest performing."

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  1. Hey big spender! by Bovius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know that California's budget concerns go far beyond just the building of this school, but this is still the kind of irresponsible spending that got them into the mess they're currently in. If I were in charge of this project, I wouldn't want anyone to know about it right now.

    1. Re:Hey big spender! by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just another example of a society that cannot seperate form from function.

      It's like saying, "I do not know how to make a decent school, so I will make a really impressive building, which will suffice as a school"

      It makes want to retch. My parents were teachers (retired) and they stay in touch with many teachers who came from their students (from my generation) who they had inspired to teach themselves.

      It is reprehensible for a school board (ANY school board) to spend so much damned money on a building when the REAL key to eduction (teachers, DUH!) are underpaid, undersupplied (way too many have to buy materials out of their own pockets) and set in front of huge classes (most of my daughter's classes have 40 students in them this year) only to be judged by standardized tests.

      What happened to inspiring students? What happened to drawing their experiences out of them so that they can relate to the lessons and apply them to their lifes? What happened to all the desire to reach a kid and help them realize how they fit into society instead of falling out? Sure it makes a great movie (when the teachers have proven it to work), but the school boards won't fund better teacher salaries!

      Oh yeah, a big expensive building is going to fix it.

      TOTAL BS!

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    2. Re:Hey big spender! by cynyr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      or there aren't enough teaching jobs, tbh once the ratio's get down to 1:5 teachers to students, then we can start worrying about if the number of jobs is right. You forget this isn't a normal job market, or revenue system and you must not have kids.

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    3. Re:Hey big spender! by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or that in spite of obvious need, too many teachers have been laid off to make budget for massive buildings.

      Or perhaps even that markets apply to employment much better in theory than in practice.

    4. Re:Hey big spender! by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      California doesn't, except for a few old white folks (who will soon pass on) object to illegal immigration. For most Californians, the Reconquista cannot come soon enough.

      Now that's a ton of bullshit. Just about everyone I know here in Cali is an immigrant, and they uniformly have a problem with illegal immigration. The legal immigration path is hard work (needlessly complicated and expensive IMO), and those who have done it don't exactly like those who haven't.

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    5. Re:Hey big spender! by flaming+error · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I believe that underlying your comment is an assumption that public school employment is decided by a vibrant functioning marketplace. That assumption would be incorrect.

  2. Re:Does It Have by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, but some graffiti or an earthquake will turn their precious fine art murals and marble memorial into nostalgia discussed in the teachers' lounge.

  3. Re:News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters. by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nerds. Schools.

    Schools. Nerds.

    I'm pretty sure there's a connection there. As for the expense, that's what happens when you have a monopoly on money - you don't need to cut costs. You are free to spend as much as you want, because there's no competitor to undercut you with lower cost goods. Color me unsurprised.

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  4. Re:News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters. by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I also don't understand the comment about 70s schools without windows. I went to schools that were built in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, and they all had at least one window per room. I know because I used to stare out of it rather than listen to the boring teacher. (Maybe that's an argument for why windows are bad.)

    Plus isn't the purpose of school to adjust kids to their future lives as adults? I certainly don't have any windows on my cubicle.

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  5. A monument... by DriedClexler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is this? Some kind of parody of everything that's wrong with America? Is the developer supposed to come out from behind the curtain and say, "you idiots! This was a test! You weren't supposed to actually approve this thing!"?

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  6. Too fucking big by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bigger schools means teachers and students are seen less as humans and just another tally mark to the administration. I could see the benefit if they have some good technical classes so they would have good and up to date tools to work with but other than that, it's just not good.

  7. Cost does not mean quality by ElectricBuddha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I was going to high school in the late 90s and early 00s, I was one of the first classes to use the $80 million dollar "palace" of a high school that the local government built for the students. However, during my four years in high school, it became pretty apparent pretty quickly that just because it cost $80 million dollars to build doesn't necessarily mean it's worth $80 million dollars. As the result of no-compete bids and cronyism between the contractors and local government, by the end of my 4th year, the whole place was starting to fall apart and it was only about 6 years old at this point. I think one of the students literally managed to kick or hit the dedication stone into the wall.

  8. Re:it's all about accountability by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I used to think the same thing, but then I realized something.

    My daughter will not be getting the crap public education that other children get. She may attend public school, but I make sure that's supplemented with education at home. As a result, she is significantly ahead of her peers as far as the formal education is concerned, and she is already beginning to develop critical thinking skills ( that, frankly, most adults lack ).

    My point is this; parents that care will make sure their children are well educated. Those that don't will provide future grunt labor needs. Our country can't survive without this critical resource. We can't all be astronauts, as the saying goes. As long as we are able to provide the basics ( reading/writing/math ) for the majority of citizens, our country will do fine. Those that need or want more education will always be able to get it, and those of us who want more for our children will always provide it.

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  9. Re:it's all about accountability by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From my own experience, even if you catch a teacher flunking students intentionally you still can't get them fired. At least not if they have tenure. New teachers make next to nothing, teachers who have their tenure make substantially more. So you have teachers that can't get fired and are making lots of money while also dominating water-cooler politics, and at the same time you have new teachers trying to make a difference while making next to nothing and trying to keep out of trouble with water-cooler politics. Yeah, after what I saw in high-school, I decided I would never become a teacher unless I was independently wealthy enough to be able to quit at any time for any reason. And you wonder why it's the bad teachers that tend to stick around.

  10. Every time by drumcat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If anyone wonders why anyone votes "NO" on bond measures and referendums, this is why. We all want good educations for our youth, but disproportionate allocation and spending like this wreak of corruption and misappropriation. Other nations leap ahead because they are actually putting real teachers in place, paying them well and firing the bad ones, and supporting students all across their country. Our system is so locally based that there is no way to ever lift up those in a bad tax base. Instead, the rich get rich public schools, and the poor get either terrible facilities or overfunded behemoths with sub-par teachers. It's really time to eliminate local school districts, and fund states equally. That way, when a state legislature passes more ed money around, it goes to the right places.

  11. Re:Almost there.... by bsDaemon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And the invasive brain surgery and mind control.... Wait, I guess we're just waiting for the invasive brain surgery parts

  12. No by bussdriver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No there are more teachers than jobs because teachers are getting laid off all over the nation because their unions don't have the pull to counter all the PORK spending that is not cut and continues to be added to budgets by more influential forces.

    Plenty of jobs are underpaid yet they find workers who either want the job OR just NEED work. Some jobs are so low that Americans do not want them so then illegals take them; not because the job is so horrible but because the pay is too low for the work. Do we want teachers paid so bad that nobody wants to become a teacher BECAUSE the pay is so low.... then hire illegals to do the work? There are already good teachers who are doing other jobs because it takes a lifetime to make a good wage as a teacher.

  13. Re:State-of-the-Art Swimming Pool? by SpeZek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    there are lots of little things like this that help the latest generation of swimmers go a couple fractions of a second faster than the last.

    To which end the sport becomes a measure of both skill and technology, and the swimmers of today cannot be compared to the swimmers of yesterday even remotely objectively.

  14. Re:State-of-the-Art Swimming Pool? by mangu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This may seem like nothing, but swimming is a sport of hundredths of a second, so every little bit counts.

    So why don't attach propellers to the swimmers?

    You practice sports in schools for the sake of exercise, spending $500 million for a few hundredths of a second doesn't seem to be the objective of a public school.