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Apple Patent Points To iMac Touch Running OS X and iOS

siliconbits noted an interesting little tale of a recently surfaced Apple Patent covering an iMac Touch with a flex base that switches from iOS to OS X based on orientation. There's some interesting food for thought in there ... I can't decide if I like the idea or not.

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  1. Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by odies · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is what it has looked like for a long time. iOS is on their every other line of devices and the walled garden apps economy is a significant money maker for Apple. Combine that with the recent patent of remotely detecting and disabling jailbroken iPhones and I think Apple really wants to control the whole area, and obviously wants more and more money. Say goodbye to hobbyists or hackers, and just imagine if Microsoft did the same.

    1. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by cowscows · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple is not going to kill the desktop OS that is required to write applications for their mobile OS.. Steve Jobs isn't stupid, he knows that people aren't going to be coding 3D games or run photoshop or whatever on iOS. Killing OSX would kill iOS, and Apple knows that.

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    2. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by cowscows · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good point. We're talking about a guy who started Apple (and then later came back and basically saved it), turned Pixar from a small company into a movie powerhouse, and has been involved in basically reinventing the music industry, the cellphone industry, and maybe the tablet computer market. Sounds like a textbook case of stupidity.

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    3. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by orasio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know if the AC meant what I understood, but he has a point.
      Steve Jobs does not succeed by lack of stupidity. Some of the stuff he pulled seemed pretty stupid before he did it, and some of it was.
      A phone without keys seems pretty stupid to me. I think it's stupid, still. That doesn't stop him from making money from a phone without keys.
      Seeing how stupid others are is easy, it doesn't take talent. Making money in spite of intelligent people thinking you are stupid, it does take talent.

    4. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If there is any company that is driven from the CEO down it's Apple. So while you're right that the he of course didn't do it by himself, he is likely a huge driving force behind what the rest of the company accomplished.

    5. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by cowscows · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well I said he was involved in those things. Apple has lots of smart people who are working really hard, no doubt. But they had lots of smart, hardworking people back in the 90's as well, when the company was crash and burn'ing. The turn-around started when Jobs came back, and has continued strong for about a decade. It could just be coincidence, but it's more likely that Jobs is providing at least some useful direction/focus.

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    6. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Kill it? Of course not, nobody is claiming Apple would kill Mac OS X.

      On the other hand, they might try a tactic of only supporting Mac OS X on their most expensive workstations, and shipping lower end computers with only iOS.

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    7. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by fermion · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I would think that Mac OS would continue in some form for the high end desktops and laptops. I would think for the lower end machines, which must come down in price to compete, might move to iOS.

      I would also think that as iOS is moved to higher power machines, xcode or something like would also be made available to code on these machines. Running the emulator for iOS is necessary for the moment. At some point the devices will be powerful enough to allow software development in situ. The iPad almost could run a graphics based IDE with a set of fixed routines.

      It is also worth remembering that the Mac is 25 years old and is what I consider to be the third major revision of the OS. To me we have the initial System, which evolved from 1984-1990. Then we had the Mac OS which started with System 7 in 1991 and ran to the turn of the century. We are now in the Mac OS X era, which really started big around late 2002. We may be in an overlap time. Versions of the Apple ][ persisted to 1990, even though the Lisa was introduced ten years prior and most people were buying Macs. I don't like the idea of iOS for general pupose computers, it is too closed, but maybe Apple is planning on leaving the GPC business.

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    8. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tables have been around for 20 years

      I'm pretty sure they're older than that...

    9. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by alen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple has been doing this before iOS

      few years ago you has OS X, Apple TV and Time Machine. only thing now is that Apple seems to be going to iOS which has more lock in and runs on ARM CPU's so that they can control the entire hardware and software experience. people have run OS X on non-apple hardware but not iOS

      since apple is a hardware company they are trying to sell you 20 devices each with the same OS but gimped software that is dumbed down for a few tasks. instead of general purpose software like OS X

    10. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by jbolden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Leaders are generally given credit for accomplishments. Napoleon didn't personally conquer northern Italy.

    11. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Funny

      You are obviously too young to remember how we used to rest our beer glasses and coffee mugs in mid-air with nothing more than casual use of the power of our minds. The invention of these "table" things just made the activity obsolete.

      Now get off my lawn. :-D

    12. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by sootman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, most of the thousands of employees at Apple who were there during 1997-2000 were also there 1994-1997. To what do you attribute Apple's astounding turnaround?

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    13. Re:Apple slowly replacing OS X with iOS by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just because he's the one standing on the stage during a keynote doesn't mean that he really did anything (I'm not saying he didn't, but I'm saying that just because he takes credit doesn't mean he deserves to take credit)

      In all the years, I've seen Steve Jobs on stage, I've never heard him say anything like: "I created this." He does say, "We (Apple) created this." And at the end of the presentation, he always asks whoever in the room worked on the product to stand up and be recognized and thanked.

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  2. i guess apple hasn't learned from MS and IBM by alen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple trying to dumb down the computer and to vertically integrate the entire experience to lock everyone in will probably fail. Right about at the peak of Microsoft's power is when the company saw they had to support other technologies. IBM's peak in the mainframe age vanished when PC's came along and freed people from the tyranny of the mainframe.

    i like my iphone and think it's the right experience for a mobile device, but not the computer.

    1. Re:i guess apple hasn't learned from MS and IBM by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're comparing apples to car analogies. Microsoft and IBM both represent(ed) the default provider, the one you had to find an excuse to switch away from. Apple's customers are almost entirely voluntary.

      Put it this way, when Ballmer said "Vista is just fine - you're using it wrong", a preponderance of Windows users said "Noooo, no, I don't think so. I'll stick with XP or wait for 7". But when Steve said "You're holding it wrong", the preponderance of iPhone 4 owners said "Yes! YES! I am holding it wrong! It's my fault! Thank you sir, may I have another?"

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    2. Re:i guess apple hasn't learned from MS and IBM by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's because Apple is the new AOL. For people who think that anything more complicated than turning a computer on and off is for "those command-line gurus". Just look at their ads. It's a far cry from the days when Apple was a premium brand.

    3. Re:i guess apple hasn't learned from MS and IBM by Samalie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry, but I'm getting fucking sick of the:

      "But when Steve said "You're holding it wrong", the preponderance of iPhone 4 owners said "Yes! YES! I am holding it wrong! It's my fault! Thank you sir, may I have another?""

      type bullshit around here.

      All but the absolute "Steve Jobs is God" wackjobs realize that Apple humped the dog HARD on the antenna design of the iPhone4.

      Yet I still bought and have my iPhone4...and my decision was made post-antennagate.

      Why? Because corporately I have two choices based on my organization's security principles...I can use a blackberry, which I once did, and which does, in actuality, lick balls. Yes, the "phone" part is excellent, and its a great email tool, but beyond that I find BB to be a giant steaming turd. Or I can use an iPhone. I had a iP3g, and the fucker lacked some features I needed that are present in the iP4. So I bought one.

      Yes, antennagate is VERY real. I can kill the signal to my phone at home with one light finger touch. And I absolutely think that Apple fucked the dog, hard. But the case I got for free solves the issue in a pratical using-my-phone sense...and compared to using a BB, I'll gladly give Jobs & co my money.

      Android, while having great potential, doesn't meat our corporate security policies yet. Once it does, I'll probably switch, mostly because of Antennagate and Apple fucking up. But until they get their security shit in order...its just not an option for me. (And, I'll also add, I'm in Canada...there are NO good Android based phones up here yet...they're all 2 year old turds).

      But really...all us iPhone users aren't fucking sheep waiting for the next time for Jobs & co to fuck us in the ass. But I guess you get a nice big stiffy every time you think about us getting fucked by Jobs, and have to spout this same tired shit in every iPhone related discussion.

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  3. Apple patent by gumbi+west · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By the time a patent becomes public the inventor has sent it in about three or more years prior. If we haven't already seen this, it isn't likely to happen soon. go to appleinsider and checkout all the "apple patent points to" things you've never seen. Obviously, they don't report on the patents that you have seen (who would read, "Apple patent points to phone with touch screen and accelerometer.") so it is a little hard to know the time to market versus time to patent delay, but I've never seen anything an "Apple patent points to".

    1. Re:Apple patent by Sockatume · · Score: 3, Informative

      Given that Apple filed the patent in 2004, and that talk was in 2006, I shouldn't think so.

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  4. Re:iMac running iOS by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nothing in this patent application says they are getting rid of desktop OS X.

  5. Re:iMac running iOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nothing in this patent application says they're doing anything. It's a patent application, not a business plan.

  6. Steve said... by copponex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Steve said...

    Yep, freedom from programs that steal your private data. Freedom from programs that trash your battery. Freedom from porn. Yep, freedom. The times they are a changin’, and some traditional PC folks feel like their world is slipping away. It is.

    If Steve thinks the desktop metaphor is too difficult for most users, he'll take it away from everyone. If he thinks only signed applications should be allowed to run on your computer, he'll make it so. Of course, Microsoft could do the same thing, but Apple is certainly more likely to make those decisions. I can only hope they will keep the "mouse option" for pro creative users, but with Apple randomly removing FireWire, ExpressCard slots, and still failing to provide professional level graphics cards, most people see the writing on the wall: average joe consumers along with iPods and iPads are the future. Steve is a smart guy, but I wouldn't put it past his ego to declare the end of computers as we know them.

    OS X developers think the same thing.

    Last week, we also hosted a live chat featuring several developers whose apps were picked for our Ars Design Awards for Mac OS X. We asked them what they thought about the future of Mac OS X and Apple's development platform during the chat, and then followed up on their thoughts about languages and APIs. While current Mac developers aren't nearly as concerned as our own John Siracusa about the Objective-C language in particular, they do see new and improved APIs coming down the pike. Developers are seeing iOS influencing Mac OS X instead of the other way around.

    The developers on our panel unanimously agreed that Mac OS X will eventually be subsumed by iOS, but that the Mac has plenty of life left. "Mac is the awesome old grandma, whose kids (iPhone & iPad) have left home," Atebits' Loren Brichter said. "Not dead; not really dying. But it's our job to keep her comfortable until she's gone."

    1. Re:Steve said... by mcvos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. I love my iMac at work. I particularly love the full power of my unix shell, sudo, the ability to install unix and linux libraries, and all while having a pretty slick UI that (practically) always works quite well. It's not perfect, but it works better than any linux or windows machine I've ever worked with.

      But the moment Apple starts closing stuff down, I'm out of here.

    2. Re:Steve said... by guruevi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The desktop IS too difficult for most users. Today I had to explain somebody how to freakin' print a PDF that does not have 'Letter' dimensions (the printer would ask for a different size paper which they didn't understand even existed). However Apple is not going to take the control away from desktop computer because that would be suicide. If anything, this would basically be something similar to Dashboard - run iOS apps in Mac OS X natively or maybe a detachable iPad-like device.

      Apple has maintained and even improved FireWire on most models but an ExpressCard may not fit in a 1.5" thick, 13" computer, in a 15" computer there is more place for that. My 13" does have and SD card slot. Who even uses ExpressCard? I have in my life had 2 or 3 PCMCIA cards (Iomega disk drive, 56k modem and ethernet) and I worked with computers for a good 20 years now, the only reason I have those is because Dell used to cheap out on those fancy network cards and a decent (non sound-card) modem. For most applications these days, USB is cheaper and more flexible than ExpressCard. The Iomega Clik I got from a garage sale because I thought the '40MB spy drives' looked really cool.

      What do you mean with professional-level video cards? Most of their machines have nVidia or ATi cards, none of their desktops except for the really lowest line have Intel cards. There is no need to put a Tesla in there I think although you could do that if you're so inclined. Oh, maybe you mean Quadro's - yeah, you may know that those are the EXACT SAME cards as the GeForce's - there is absolutely no difference between them except for price and depending on the driver you might get different performance results. And yes, I am involved in GPU computing research.

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  7. Like it or not by hsmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Apple and Andorid are reinventing the way we look at software, "Apps" to be specific. Who knows where it will really take us - sure desktop software is a different ballgame than mobile, but what are people using more of? Our main "Software" of use has been the web browser as of late (For a majority of people) as well as word processors. Beyond those, what percentage of people use 2-3 other desktop applications?

    How many mobile apps do they use?

    As someone that writes mobile apps, the process is frustrating. We are seeing a mass dumbing down of the already dumb consumer. Everyone now expects all software to cost $0.99 - be feature packed, and work flawlessly. As anyone that develops software knows, "pick two of those."

    1. Re:Like it or not by cowscows · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that the evolution of iOS will follow a similar path as the desktop MacOS did. More and more capabilities will be added, the interface designers will come up with satisfactory ways to accomplish more tasks, and consumers will build their touch-interface "skillset", allowing more more complicated interactions, and eventually more complicated applications.

      Despite all the talk about "intuitive" interfaces, that won't actually get you very far, everything is learned. What's important is some consistency and a gentler learning curve. I think that Apple is aware of this, and is very deliberate as to increase the capability of iOS without making it intimidating to a new user.

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  8. Interesting to see where this is going... by Anderson+Council · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Avoiding the meaningless baiting and religious zealotry that brings nothing to this conversation...

    I'm a long-time linux user (since pre-1.0 Slackware), but have presentation needs that I personally prefer some software support for. Thus I use a presentation package --- PowerPoint typically. For a long time I would run linux on my laptop and dual-boot windows when I needed to do presentations. The nature of my work and personal preference requires the use of a Unix-based OS to get anything meaningful done.

    I first migrated to the Mac when I noticed times had changed and they had built something I had always thought they should do every since they bought the NeXT properties --- tart it up to look sufficiently as they want it to, but leave the Unix underpinnings for the developer/power user crowd (NeXT was great for that --- all the Humanities people I knew that used it had no idea there was a terminal on the machine and loved it...the fact there was a terminal meant I loved it too =). With office available on the Mac, giddy-up - I get the machine I want without dual-booting. Great!

    I've always had a worry in the back of my head that my happiness with Macs would be transient --- that as the platform regained traction they would start screwing with it in ways that are unfriendly to the unix crowd. So far, so good, but ever since the iPad I have been concerned they would push toward that being their OS rather than the full-blown OSX we have currently. I do understand the points people make about how developers need a development environment so the desktop OS won't be going anywhere, but that clearly isn't necessarily the case: no reason they can't build a suitable development environment for the more restricted OS, or simply leave it to developers to cross-compile. Bottom line is my utopian "main-stream unix-based OS that is friendly to the non-power user" may well be at risk.

    So fine - it's their company, they'll do what they want and probably make oodles of money doing it. But it will ultimately push me back onto linux full-time, and I'll probably just suck it up and learn to live with PDF presentations or OpenOffice as I have no interest in going back to a dual-boot solution...I'm getting too old I guess :).

    It will sadden me a little though as in spite of some of the vendor lock-in that Apple tries to encourage, I have been happy using their products and have built up a bit of an ecosystem I enjoy using. I realize I (we?) are not really the market they are concerned with dominating, but it's a shame they jettison the "win-win" product I feel they had in keeping both the unwashed masses and the developer/power user happy with what is available.

    Maybe good for Linux longer-term though. We are light years from where we were a decade ago in terms of user-friendliness of the system. Maybe this can be a tipping point and we'll end up with a "win-win" free OS which would be very liberating for everyone involved =).

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  9. iPad + Time Capsule by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I definitely thought Apple was going to make a combination touch screen iMac and Cisco router.

    I wouldn't put a touch screen router beyond Apple, seeing as how Apple did popularize 802.11b with AirPort. Imagine a Time Capsule with a built-in iPad.

  10. But isn't IOS based on OS X? by rochlin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't IOS based on OS X? Maybe it's not an either/or thing. Maybe it's simply re-enabling a few more features in IOS that had to be axed to fit it on a phone with limited battery life. True Full multi-tasking comes to mind. Better support for peripherals & ports, and other such stuff.