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Kepler Spacecraft Finds System With Multiple Planets Transiting the Star

rhaas writes "NASA's Kepler spacecraft has discovered the first confirmed planetary system with more than one planet crossing in front of, or transiting, the same star. They found two planets almost the size of Saturn, and possibly a third, small, very hot planet with a radius about 1.5 times that of Earth."

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  1. Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by Kethinov · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The exoplanets search is the most exciting thing in space exploration since the moon landings IMHO for one important reason: one day, a project like Kepler will find an Earth sized planet orbiting within a foreign star's habitable zone. It's the stated goal of the project, yes, but when it actually happens, things will be different.

    Imagine what the day will be like when we find something like that. We'll know it's there, we'll know it's the right size and at the right distance from its star, but we'll know little else. We'll know that life very probably *could* exist there, but without getting much, much closer to it, we'd never know for sure.

    And we're not talking about the extremely remote possibilities of microbial life on Mars, or some kind of funky aquatic life on Europa's hypothetical subsurface ocean, we're talking about plants and animals. Maybe even intelligent animals like us.

    What could possibly be a better motivator for our society to start pushing the limits of propulsion technology again? If we had something *tangibly* interesting to explore in a relatively nearby star system, like the ones Kepler is exploring, we might just get that extra kick in our pants we need to start innovating again.

    WWII motivated us to enter a brand new energy age with the development of atomic power and the perfection (I'll use that term loosely ;)) of rocketry. Would discovering a planet in another star system with a high degree of habitability give us the motivation we need to efficiently produce and harness antimatter or some other next-generation power source?

    Yeah, I'm being all misty eyed here. Relativity is a pesky little fucker, among other issues. But I can't shake the feeling that we're an amazing species of innovators when properly motivated. And I just don't think exploring other star systems has captured our collective attention the way landing on the moon did.

    I desperately want to see us that motivated again some day. And I think finding a reasonably high enough probability of habitability on a planet orbiting a foreign star would give us back what we let slip away from us in the 1970s.

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    1. Re:Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hehe, your post kind of rubbed in a sentiment I got at work earlier today when I first read this story on Spaceflightnow. Something finally clicked, while I was sitting there at my cubicle, that we are literally probing other solar systems for planets. Did you play Mass Effect? I am sure someone here did. What about Star Wars Rebellion? Does anyone remember how most of the systems in those games are mostly unexplored. The entries in the galactic database, or whatever, were a few short paragraphs describing what conditions were probably like on the planet, but no explorers had ever returned to find out. I remember when I played those games I would click through the text unthinkingly so I could go blow some shit up. But when I was sitting at my cubicle reading this story today, it hit me:

      Kepler is literally writing those first few galactic database entries for us. Some years from now, be it years, decades, or centuries, when our ancestors are poking around other solar systems, they are going to be pulling up a few scant words describing the likely surface composition and climate data of some of these planets. They will pull up the mass estimates and other numbers associated with each body before dropping onto the surface of the planet to update/verify the database. They will literally be using the information gathered by Kepler and its successors to give them some insight about what they are going to step into.

      Does that register with anyone else? We are literally starting to compile a database on planets in other solar systems, so that one day explorers will have something, no matter how small, to refer to when stepping into the unknown. We are writing our own version of Mass Efffect's Codex. When that dawned on me today I almost crapped my pants. Sure folks, we joke about instant communication and flying robot overlords being signs that we literally are living in the future, but holy mother of crap, we have a spacecraft, on orbit, sending data down to us right now that is compiling data on systems that we hope to one day explore. That just makes my heart flutter to think about. Our infantile species, that leaped into orbit only half a century ago, can start to seriously consider studying, and maybe one day exploring, extra-system planets. Say what you will about how stupid and hopeless humans are, but I'll be damned if something like the Kepler mission doesn't make me gasp at how amazing a species we can be....

    2. Re:Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by Ihlosi · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What could possibly be a better motivator for our society to start pushing the limits of propulsion technology again?

      I think our best bet at getting more information about these planets is pushing the limits of telescope technology again. As in having linked telescopes at opposite ends of the solar system and similar projects. That way, we won't have to make those pesky trips over tens or even hundreds of light years.

    3. Re:Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem is if the rules of the universe dont enable us to get there in any practical way. That feeling and motivation could turn into something very negative, and against us (heck, could be a great poster from Despair Inc, a nice blue planet picture with something like "Humanity never will get even close to it")

    4. Re:Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by Kethinov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is if the rules of the universe dont enable us to get there in any practical way.

      People used to say that about the moon. "Escape velocity is impossible to reach!" they'd say. Escape velocity wasn't impossible. It was a puzzle to be solved. I prefer to look at Relativity and faster than light travel the same way. Maybe one day we'll solve those puzzles. I still have hope. I guess I'm an optimist.

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    5. Re:Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by RetroGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmmm, I am not sure if you are only dangling a hook to see if anyone bites. However...

      Nothing wrong with the earth. However it is the only place where humanity exists. If we get hit by an extinction level event (ELE), be it an asteroid, super volcano, or whatever, then that is that. We need to have a plan B. And forget about the moon or Mars. We do not have the know-how to create a self-sufficient environment there or anywhere else. We need a nice friendly planet in the Goldilocks zone.

      And destruction is inevitable. An ELE WILL happen. It is just a matter of time. The earth has had a lot of near misses lately, one of which was only discovered after it had passed us. So forget about mounting some faint hope expedition. If you can't see it coming...

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    6. Re:Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by Ihlosi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      We do not have the know-how to create a self-sufficient environment there or anywhere else. We need a nice friendly planet in the Goldilocks zone.

      If I were to be, then my money would be on us reaching the technology to create a self-sufficient environment on, say, Mars much earlier than us reaching the technology to send anything other than a robotic probe over interstellar distances.

      This is simply because travelling interstellar distances pretty much requires the technology to create a quasi-self-sufficient environment ... or warp drive technology.

    7. Re:Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by sznupi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thing is: for vast, vast majority of "ELE" type events, it would be best to dig - to survive here on Earth (or rather "under" it). Because, except for very few, your typical ELE still doesn't make the Earth less hospitable (especially when saving as many humans as possible within achievable effort - don't be surprised with "think of the children" especially in such circumstances) in comparison to what's probably nearby.

      Yes, a backup of sorts will be nice eventually - but this bonus won't be why we'll do it. Not with huge distances, not with physics of this Universe (we cannot assume some breakthrough, even if it would be very nice to have); almost dictating that colonization will be only via hops to nearest systems (and probably via autonomous embryo ships at that; barely any "full" living humans actually making the journey). Or even without much directed effort at all - just via spreading, over many millenia, also to Oort cloud of our system...which at some point makes "jumps" to Oort clouds of nearby systems relatively easy.

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    8. Re:Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by InfiniteZero · · Score: 4, Funny

      when our ancestors are poking around other solar systems

      I think you are confusing space travel with time travel.

    9. Re:Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Very, very very well said.

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    10. Re:Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/scales.html Just an obligatory reference to the warp drive when: scales page to remind everyone just how far away even Alpha Centauri is. It turns out that the basic problem is one of fuel to accelerate us to a large enough fraction of c. The most practical choice seems to be an exceedingly large spacecraft built on Moonbase Alpha and ferried to the appropriate Lagrange Point Station manufacturing facility for further assembly. The only practical tech we have would be a scaled up version of Orion pulsed nuke propulsion. We would still need to build a very, very large ship, miles in length and then fill up almost the whole thing with hydrogen bombs. The conclusion on that page is that it is basically hopeless for any reasonable human timescale even if we could figure out a way to manufacture extremely large quantities of antimatter. An alcubierre type of drive that doesn't require fuel would be the only practical way. If such a drive were even theoretically possible it would give us a chance of visiting other star systems. As far as anyone can tell space drives are not possible and they never will be. I actually think we should give the Orion pulsed nuke idea another try.

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    11. Re:Exoplanets vs. inter-stellar travel by Quirkz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Right on! I'm maybe a bit less optimistic than you about the prospects of actual pace of technological developments that come from this, but I think it would provide a tremendous psychological shift if we could point to a specific dot and be able to say, "Yeah, right there. That's another habitable planet. There could be life there. *WE* could go there." Even if it's centuries or more likely millennia away, it'd be a great imaginative boost. If nothing else it could provide a lot of specific details for fiction: the number of planets in the system, the name of the star, the location and distance from Earth, stuff like that.

  2. Go on, rub it in why don't you? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

    Imagine how Pluto feels. You rotten, cruel bastards. Go on, rub it in why don't you?

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    1. Re:Go on, rub it in why don't you? by Eudial · · Score: 4, Funny

      Stop anthropomorphizing the Trans-Neptunian objects.

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  3. Re:The first? by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, all this means is they finally found a star system where they were viewing planets along (edge on to) the plane of ecliptic, and therefore able to measure multiple planets actually cross the disk of star.

    Which suggest all the other multi-planet systems were viewed somewhat orthogonal to the ecliptic, because there are no shortage of multi-planet systems.

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  4. Re:Perspective by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I never doubted that actually, i found it amazing people actually thought that of all those stars out there were without planets, it didn't make sense to me to assume such a stance

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  6. Re:Perspective by sznupi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, the most distant discovered is 20k light years away, and near the center of Mily Way to boot (so not really a case of local conditions; actually, the conditions might be better there, with higher metallicity); with a possible detection also in the Andromeda Galaxy and even in YGKOW G1, 3.7 billion light years away.

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  7. Go a bit further by aepervius · · Score: 2, Informative

    Change millenia for million of year. With current tech nearest solar system is 120.000 years away (250 K round trip). That is 4 something light year away. Since such system are likely much further away than 4.7 LY , then count a million years or more round trip. And before somebody serves me on "propulsion system will be better" you have no basis for this. The way the energy generation, and human space transportation are in forseeable future, it ain't even sure we will visit the NEAREST star system, maybe a robotic probe would.

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  8. Physical limits vs. technological limits by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So people in the 1800s were stupid for thinking that reaching escape velocity was impossible given their current and foreseeable technology at the time? How is that any different than you saying reaching other star systems in a timely fashion is impossible given current and foreseeable technology?

    The only limits in the 1800s were technological. Given enough development in stronger and lighter materials, escape velocity became possible.

    The light of speed limit is an ultimate physical limit of the universe. The first hint of this limitation was found in 1887 and has been confirmed many times in many different ways. Simply put, given all the experimental data we have, if faster than light travel were possible time would be bidirectional; causality would be violated.

    This does not mean FTL is absolutely impossible, maybe we will one day find a flaw in our current understanding of physics that will let us travel faster than light. However, the resultant implications would be so huge that travelling to distant stars would perhaps be one of the least interesting things to do with our new physics.

  9. Re:7 month? by Ihlosi · · Score: 2, Informative
    Pardon me for asking, but considering our very own planet orbits the sun every 12 months, 23 months on Mars, and something like 130 or 140 for Jupiter, aren't we only starting to scratch the surface in terms of which ones we've seen and which ones just haven't happened to have passed between us and the star since we started looking.

    Yes. The longer you look, the more longer-period planets you will find.

    On top of that, would an orbit perpendicular to ours be detectible with this technique

    Not with this technique, but yes, if the planet is massive enough and close enough to its star, it is possible to detect it by the "wobble" is causes. Also, even if a planet does not transit, it is possible to detect it by observing the radial velocity (i.e. towards/away from the observer) of the parent star by measuring the red shift/blue shift of its light.

    However, planets that transit are the most interesting ones right now, because it is possible to detect small planets by this method, as well as analyze their atmospheres by looking at how the spectrum of the parent star changes when the planet transits.

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