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Developer Demands Pirate Bay Not Remove Torrent

An anonymous reader writes "This week TPB got a very unusual e-mail. It was a 'Notice of Ridiculous Activity' from a company that had found one of its apps cracked and listed as a torrent on TPB. The app in question is called Memoires, developed by Coding Robots. Memoires is marketed as the easiest way to keep a journal on your Mac. It costs $29.99 to buy after you've enjoyed a 30-day free trial. That, of course, didn't stop someone from cracking the software and making it available for free as a torrent. Dmitry Chestnykh, founder of Coding Robots, noticed the cracked torrent and decided to download it to see what had been done. After using it, he was upset — not because the cracked version was available, but because the cracker (named Minamoto) had done such a bad job of cracking it. The best section of the e-mail has to be this: 'I demand that you don't remove this torrent, so that people can laugh at Minamoto and CORE skills. However, I also demand the[sic] better crack to be made, so that it doesn't cripple the user experience of my beautiful program.'"

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  1. Translation by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Developer Demands Pirate Bay Not Remove Torrent

    Translation:

    Developer Demonstrates Cutting Edge Advertising Techniques

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    My work here is dung.
    1. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Probably right, but now I want to buy it just to support that kind of chutzpah (or however you spell that word).

    2. Re:Translation by bhartman34 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The funny thing is, the developer got them to take the torrent down by asking them to keep it up/. :)

    3. Re:Translation by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I see where he's going -- the pirated version sucks so if you want the real deal you gotta come to me -- but then that's basically the old crippleware model, only letting the pirates do the crippling for you.

      When you "previewed" Photoshop, you got the full experience.

      But then it also has the 30-day free trial, presumably un-crippled, if you get it from him.

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      Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
    4. Re:Translation by kyrio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What you describe sounds a lot like a 30 day free trail. If only he had one of those...

    5. Re:Translation by sconeu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yiddish? You want yiddish? Just be careful not to bring down tzuris upon yourself, ken-an-hora.

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      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    6. Re:Translation by DreamArcher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Immediately. If you can see something then it's always real. Unless it's on youtube then even if it's real it's fake. However real or fake it's still always gay.

    7. Re:Translation by djdavetrouble · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Somehow this is incredibly deep..

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      music lover since 1969
    8. Re:Translation by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What you describe sounds a lot like a 30 day free trail. If only he had one of those...

      Not really, because I'm describing cracked pirated software with no time limit because it's pirated.

      How many people used pirated versions of Photoshop for years before, because they went professional or otherwise decided they needed to go legit, payed for the license of the software they were intimately familiar with and even dependent on? I know several myself. The odds of that happening in 30 days are much slimmer.

      My point is the cracked version itself serves as advertising for the full product. A crappy cracked pirate is a crappy advertisement. Which is probably why he's also saying the crackers should get on making a better crack. So, no, the 30 day trial is a separate issue.

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      The enemies of Democracy are
    9. Re:Translation by amaupin · · Score: 4, Funny

      What you describe sounds a lot like a 30 day free trail. If only he had one of those...

      Hiking is one of my favorite activities, but even I draw the line at 30 days. Free or otherwise.

    10. Re:Translation by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Here's some more yiddish for you: putz. It describes you perfectly.

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      If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
    11. Re:Translation by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had a version of Windows 2000 where I had changed the "Windows is starting up" bootup message to "Windows is fucking up". Every once in a while another dev would see the box reboot and their head would asplode.

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      No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
    12. Re:Translation by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... But still gay ~

  2. Can't remember who said it first by Pojut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many people (including myself, hint hint) wish that their work was popular enough to show up on torrent networks.

    You aren't anyone unless your stuff is available in a torrent.

    1. Re:Can't remember who said it first by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Many people (including myself, hint hint) wish that their work was popular enough to show up on torrent networks.

      You aren't anyone unless your stuff is available in a torrent.

      I see your music is available for download on last.fm but I couldn't find you on Jamendo. If you want exposure I highly recommend setting up an account there. As a bonus, you can also take donations if people like your music.

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      They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett
    2. Re:Can't remember who said it first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and the vast vast vast vast vast majority of anyone who makes a living from creating software or books or music or games would rather people did NOT take their work without paying them, and frnakly want to see the low lfie criminal fuckbags who run thepiratebay shot in the head.

      I don't know which failure is more offensive. Your failure to understand economics (remember, Metallica got big because people traded bootleg concert tapes), your failure to understand spelling (self-evident), or your failure to understand justice (the death penalty for enabling copyright infringement? It's not even theft!). Anyway, thanks for being part of the problem.

    3. Re:Can't remember who said it first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      (remember, Metallica got big because people traded bootleg concert tapes)

      What's a tape?

    4. Re:Can't remember who said it first by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Funny

      I also noticed that he wasn't on Shaboogie, Underbeats, Padoodle, Pocketgravy, Wikiloafer, Rumpelstiltstunes, first.am, BassPirates, or even DrumSmugglers.

    5. Re:Can't remember who said it first by Pojut · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not really...I will always keep it available for free download. I do it to contribute to the ambient and drone communities, as a "thank you" for the hours of music that have been provided to me.

      I'm much more concerned with people hearing it rather than paying for it.

  3. Yet Another Translation by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Probably right, but now I want to buy it just to support that kind of chutzpah (or however you spell that word).

    Translation:

    Probably right, but now I want to prove that you are right by reinforcing his behavior with cash tendered and also he is badass and I wish to make babies with him.

    Quite the PR campaign a developer started. Good to see small companies stepping it up on all fronts.

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    My work here is dung.
  4. Seriously... by mdm-adph · · Score: 3, Insightful

    why _would_ someone include an .exe file for a cracked Mac program? :\

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    It is by my will alone my thoughts acquire motion; it is by the juice of the coffee bean that the thoughts acquire speed
    1. Re:Seriously... by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 4, Funny

      why _would_ someone include an .exe file for a cracked Mac program? :\

      So the windows users who clearly didn't have enough intelligence to recognize they were downloading a mac program can be infected with the same virus/malware that the actual crack is infected with.

    2. Re:Seriously... by mikael_j · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Lazy scene groups do this all the time. And they post installation instructions that indicate that they know nothing about *nix systems (and that they assume that "everyone" has a spare Wintel machine available for running their keygen/crack). A favorite of mine was some application that included a file with the extension .bat (non-executable of course) that contained a one-liner along the lines of "echo "127.0.0.1 activation.developer.com" >> /etc/hosts" inside it and the instructions stated that the user should run this "program" by pressing Win-R and typing in the path to the file...

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      Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
    3. Re:Seriously... by cHiphead · · Score: 2, Informative

      Windows is for the games.

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      This is my sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
  5. Taking it in Stride by MeatyDemon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At least hes taking it in stride and realizing that you can't fully protect your software. Its better than trying to sue them for millions and looking like an ass.

    1. Re:Taking it in Stride by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      Many different angles, but all of them are full of win.

      A) Embarrass the writer of the crack
      B) Point out that the crack doesn't work as well as the real thing
      C) Get your product's name out there
      D) Show the people who care about this kind of thing that you're a 'cool guy'
      E) Not waste time and effort trying to get the crack removed.

      Did I miss anything?

    2. Re:Taking it in Stride by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Did I miss anything?

      F) Profit!

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      They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett
  6. cakofony by cakofony · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This man just made my day. I'm glad to see he realizes that you can't stop people from moving around data, and he is willing to work with, not against it, in true hacker spirit.

  7. Re:Hats off by BradleyUffner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The pride in his work is admirable. I always appreciate a developer who's concerned about his user experience. This characteristic is, to me, Steve Jobs' most admirable trait (though I think marketing geeks must appreciate his gift for generating interest in his products.) This guy is following Jobs' finest example here.

    I'm left to wonder how he 'discovered' it in the first place...

    A few months ago Dmitry Chestnykh, the founder of Coding Robots and copyright holder of Mémoires, discovered that his program – like many others – was being shared via The Pirate Bay.

    So while he was looking for a cracked Photoshop, for example, he was amazed to see his own stuff up there? It's rather like a priest complaining about poor service from a prostitute, isn't it?

    I do google searches for my name and the names of the program I write all the time. It seems logical to me that he saw his program listed on pirate bay while doing something similar.

  8. Re:Hats off by Anonymous+Showered · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=coding+robots+memoires+torrent

    TPB is known to be the largest (pirated) tracker in the world. He was curious to see if his program was listed. As a software developer myself, I've done searches on popular trackers too for my software.

  9. burden of proof by digitalsushi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ORIGINAL developer has posted more info here!

    i mean, doesnt anyone else agree with me this is pretty crappy journalism?

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    slashdot: where everyone yells sarcastic metaphors to themselves to understand the issue
  10. Tape in a nutshell by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Compact Cassette is an analog audio storage medium that filled much the same role that MP3 and Vorbis audio files fill now. It was also used for data storage on home computers circa 1980, with various inefficient modulations, before floppy disk drives (the predecessor to USB flash drives) became affordable to home users.

    Metallica appreciated trading copies of amateur concert recordings but not copies of the studio CDs.

    1. Re:Tape in a nutshell by delinear · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And yet now, just as back then, the people who trade said copies are the people most passionate about it and who are more likely to buy music. The argument of the big labels is that there's no reason to buy music when an exact digital copy can be had for free - maybe they underestimate the talent of their artists that they could make people want to reward them regardless, or maybe they underestimate the passion of the fans who are more than happy to buy stuff but also like to share music with their friends and hear new stuff for free, but the end result still seems to be that the ones they are most demonising for downloading are their core customers.

  11. Gotta love these /. advertisements by zill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Develop app
    2. Crack the app then distribute it
    3. Send hilarious email to pirate bay
    4. ???
    5. PROFIT!!

  12. Original article and insightful discussions by troll8901 · · Score: 2, Informative

    TFA didn't link to the original Reddit article. The original one is here.

    And that thread's comments have multiple serious discussions going on.

    1. Caring / not caring about people pirating your work, and the emotions you go through.
    2. How much of that are/are not lost sales, and how many of them wouldn't have bought the software anyway.
    3. The practicality of spending time coding copy protection/checking, and the returns, and how much of them pisses off users.
    4. That it's better to spend time developing features that paying users want instead.

    And the discussions rival the quality found in Slashdot.

  13. Pirate Reality by cdrguru · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Once it is out there, the free version will pretty much take over. There are so few people that are interested in paying - even if it means better quality - that it is best to just think about moving on.

    Fighting the pirates is pointless. They have access to better tools for promotion than legitimate small businesses do, so the free version is going to almost always come up first on searches. It will be linked to by every hacker/wares forum that exists. Anyone asking "where can I get something that does X" will be responded to with a link to the pirate version, or the words "use the google".

    Once our consumer software got hit by thieves we saw retail sales drop sharply. In this case "thieves" is the only think to call people that purchase the software with stolen credit cards so it can be posted on free download sites.

    Face it, people want stuff for free and there are plenty of people out there that agree with that mindset. All software should be free and we should all be supported by the government so we don't have to beg for money or work as slaves. Food should be free. Houses should be free - what possible right does someone have to deny people a place to live?

    If you don't think piracy is political, you haven't thought about it long enough.

    1. Re:Pirate Reality by Andorin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod parent Flamebait.

      Seriously, how do you know it was file sharers that killed sales of your "consumer" software? Were there any other factors taken into account when determining sales history? What software was it? Was it well-known? If so, there should be plenty of information about it online. If not, perhaps your problem was that you were marketing to a niche. If so, did you sell to most of the customers that were actually interested? Did you attempt to make up for a small number of customers by jacking up the price? Hell, do you even have any statistics on crack releases that provide even the most basic support for your position?

      You're right that fighting the pirates is pointless, but your bit about how pirates think everything must be free is just trolling. The idea is that digital files can easily be replicated and distributed to anyone with a computer and Internet connection, and that this is of obvious benefit to the public. You seem to be under the impression that most file sharers don't give a damn about creators and are just selfish thieves. You couldn't be any more wrong. Crack and scene groups will often encourage downloaders to buy the media if they like it, to support artists. There've been plenty of suggestions that people who use p2p buy more because they are the big fans, and studies done on the subject to provide support. And if there are so few people interested in paying for media, why is Hollywood pulling in record profits each year? Why haven't the music, software or video game industries completely tanked within the last decade? Why is iTunes massively successful despite the abundance of free music online, both legal and illegal?

      Mindless anti-piracy nonsense is still nonsense. I'm tired of people using file sharers as scapegoats when their media doesn't sell.

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      That Anonymous Coward guy is pretty annoying. Can we have the government censor him or something?
  14. Re:Hats off by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is what confuses Windows users.

    This is what Mac users trot out every time anyone points out flaws in MacOS. No, I don't think that the plus sign means add because I am a Windows User. I have been using computers all the way back to the KIM-2, long before the IBM PC was even thought of, much less Windows, so I am not 'confused' because I am a 'Windows User'. Deficiencies in MacOS are not somehow Windows fault.

    Mac's UI is so unintuitive that even Mac Users don't know what the buttons do. Just this week on another thread, a Mac user was insisting that the green plus was 'size to document'. Your description is closer, but I only had to get to the second default installed application (Calculator) before I found that the green button did not toggle between user and default screen sizes. Of course, even if it did, a green plus means ADD. It doesn't mean ADD because of Windows. Windows doesn't have a green button. It means Add because when you have red, yellow and green, green means GO, and a plus always means ADD. The Macs behavior is simply wrong. Don't even get me started on the red X that sometimes closes the program, and sometimes doesn't.

    As for the trash can. Having the icon change is a poor attempt to make a huge UI blunder look like it wasn't really a mistake. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that putting the delete and the eject drop point at the exact same place is a monumentally dumb idea. It is simply asking for a mistake. Heck, even the attempt at hiding their mistake brings more inconsistency to MacOS. Sometimes that icon is the trash, but depending on what you click on, sometimes it will change to an eject button. Make sure you know whether that icon on your screen is a volume, a regular file, or a file that is mounted as a volume, because the difference is the difference between, 'this file is so important that you want to take it with you', and 'I never want to see this file again'.

    It is rationalizing like yours that will keep MacOS from getting significantly better.