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PowerPoint Rant Costs Colonel His Job

twoallbeefpatties writes "Wired reports that a 61-year-old reservist in Afghanistan was fired from his job as a staff officer after writing a sardonic op-ed criticizing the daily briefings provided by his taskforce, portraying them as little more than a neverending stream of redundant PowerPoint slideshows. This came after attempts to reform the process by giving his superiors a presentation that, of course, included five PowerPoint slides." Maybe he should have presented it as an art project instead of a complaint.

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  1. Powerpoint in the military by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apparently he's not alone in his distaste for powerpoint.

    1. Re:Powerpoint in the military by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just google, "Powerpoint makes you stupid"

      The first that I had heard about this was from a NASA scientist following the Columbia accident. He said that there were too many variables and choices that had to be left out of slides because there was a limit to how much detail could be displayed given (readable) font size and screen resolution

      This leads to multiple slides to cover a single topic, and the loss of fresh visual memory as the presentation moves from slide to slide.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901444.html

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    2. Re:Powerpoint in the military by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Powerpoint also ASSUMES your audience is stupid.

      Too stupid to grasp the facts unless presented as bullets.

      Powerpoint has the presenter making the notes (on slides) that the audience should have made. Essentially the presentation seems to go directly to notes without bothering to stop in anyone's head along the way.

      Cliff notes minus the student.

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    3. Re:Powerpoint in the military by T-Bone-T · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The presenters you've seen are doing it wrong. The presenter must put important information on the slides but it is still up to the audience to fill in the gaps with notes. I love the 3 slides/page handout because it comes with a handy note-taking area next to each slide.

    4. Re:Powerpoint in the military by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Powerpoint also ASSUMES your audience is stupid."

      No, god damnit, it doesn't. Power point is a tool designed to be used in presentations. It is NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN a substitute for presentations. You're SUPPOSED to put your points in bullets because you're there giving the presentation to elaborate upon said bullet points. The audience is not "too stupid" to grasp what you're talking about. However, if you put three paragraphs of text on one slide and talk at the same time then the audience has to decide whether to listen to you or read your slides.

      The notes field is there so that you can distribute the presentation to people who weren't there, or to save your audience the time and work of writing down their own notes. This gives you the ability to add information relevant to your presentation that should not be directly discussed. For example, you might simply put an equation and its solution on a slide. You can show your work in the notes for anyone who wants to check this. It also prevents different people from copying down incorrect things. (i.e. your slide says "3.14159" and someone writes down "314159" by mistake.)

      If you have found that your audience is "too stupid" to understand your presentations when you read directly off of the slides then the problem is with you, no one else. Not the audience, and most certainly not the tool. Seriously, bitching that power point results in bad presentations is like complaining that a hammer results in injuries when you smack yourself in the head. Power point is absurdly easy to use, the only reason presentations are bad is because people don't take the time to make good ones, and anyone who calls them on this gets the same treatment of the colonel mentioned in the article. Anyone who criticizes bad presentations gets the axe, and people continue to make bad presentations.

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    5. Re:Powerpoint in the military by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seriously, bitching that power point results in bad presentations is like complaining that a hammer results in injuries when you smack yourself in the head.

      Brilliant analogy! As a physics prof I've had colleagues express surprise that I use electronic slides at all (I actually use OpenOffice since its maths with OOoLatex is far superior to PowerPoint). However I use them as you describe interspersed with more detailed derivations/examples on the whiteboard and while it took a little trial and error to get the balance between the two right it seems to work very well for me now and the students love have the slides as a framework to annotate.

    6. Re:Powerpoint in the military by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

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    7. Re:Powerpoint in the military by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed, Powerpoint and similar when used correctly are helpful. The problem is that people don't generally know how to use presentation software. Good uses are diagrams relevant to the talk, and a hint as to what the take away is from a section. The problem is that rather than using it as a supplement to the talk, people are essentially putting the entire talk into the Powerpoint and then reading it to the people there. Which is bunk. Personally, I don't use it at all because it's quite a bit easier for me to keep people paying attention if I'm tracking what they're looking like and changing things up as needed.

    8. Re:Powerpoint in the military by Minwee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nice set of four bullet points there. All you need is some completely irrelevant clip art and a useless animation and you'll be ready to for the CUA.

    9. Re:Powerpoint in the military by AdamHaun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, god damnit, it doesn't. Power point is a tool designed to be used in presentations. It is NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN a substitute for presentations.

      Unfortunately, what PowerPoint slides (and presentations) are being used for is a substitute for every other form of communication. Instead of specs, essays, helpful diagrams, and properly organized data, we have slides, slides, slides, and slides. Usually the slides are explained once in one meeting or conference call and then passed around, giving the illusion that information is written down in a usable form. In reality, if you really want to know what's going on you have to call the author (if they even bother to write their name), wasting your time and theirs.

      You're right that PowerPoint doesn't force people to communicate poorly, and poor communication has many causes. But PowerPoint does make poor communication easier, and 80-90% of people are using it wrong. The argument of Tufte et al boils down to this: regardless of whether it's a good tool or a bad tool, PowerPoint is not the *right* tool.

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    10. Re:Powerpoint in the military by Gonzo+The+Gr8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I love the 3 slides/page handout because it comes with a handy note-taking area next to each slide.

      I hate those things. Unless you are a very concise note taker, there is never enough room for decent notes, and IMHO they make the slide itself way too small. Also, (and I know this is as much the presenter's fault as the format) I HATE when the slides are "made available" electronically by distributing .pdf's of them in that format.

    11. Re:Powerpoint in the military by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even if you don't bother learning your own presentation beforehand, powerpoint can be an improvement with the presenter view. You can essentially write exactly what you're going to say on the screen you see, and just put the important points up on the main screen.

      Needless to say, lazy presentations using -any- format or technology will be inferior to a well thought out presentation using a chalkboard or even charades, but I suspect a lazy powerpoint presentation could be nominally better than a lazy chalkboard presentation.

      It's certainly better for those of us who find ourselves going off on pointless tangents when we're actually in front of people. Get me in front of a crowd talking about my work, and it suddenly becomes stream of consciousness. Even working off a paper outline, I'll catch myself going into unnecessary detail at certain points and skipping ahead before looking down at the paper and then backtracking, losing anyone who may have still been following. It's like "OOH! And I should mention this which when I was preparing the presentation thought was non-essential, BUT IS AWESOME!"

      I do realize that this is something which could be corrected by practicing the presentation several more times, but I don't always have that kind of time.

    12. Re:Powerpoint in the military by TheLink · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I daresay many people here read faster than most people talk and comprehend speech.

      Presentations are good for people who have little idea of the subject material. They are also good if entertaining your audience is part of the requirement. People who know about the subject material are fine getting it in formats similar to research "papers, manuals, "errata" or similar.

      Perhaps the Generals don't need to know the details. But the details are often important. Why does a bunch of important people have to waste time getting schedules synchronized and sitting down for some powerpoint presentation? If the information is important enough can't they just get in their email so that they can go over it thoroughly, and then call/instant message the relevant people if they have questions?

      Whatever it is, I think they are doing things wrong, even their "practice for war" is a sham (more about supporting the military industrial complex than actually winning wars?): http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/sep/06/usa.iraq

      Looking at what is happening in Afghanistan[1] I think the US military should have seriously learned from what Lt Gen Riper did (and the bigger picture implications).

      [1] http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/18/analysis.afghanistan.shadow.governors/index.html

      As long as you have the constraint that genocide is unacceptable you get diminishing returns from being able to kill more and more people, or destroy more and more with a single weapon. In fact it is counterproductive when you start having too much "collateral damage".

      So figuring out who to kill for maximum effect is what you need to do, and getting your version of what happened out to the rest of the population is important.

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    13. Re:Powerpoint in the military by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If in one part of my talk I concentrate on linear systems, people will generally remember that if I announce it clearly, and will not need a giant slide projected onto the screen to remind them. It's *what* I am saying about linear system, their properties, relations to non-linear system, linearization etc. that's important. NOT the fact that I am talking about these things in some particular order, but WHAT I am saying about them.

      So what are you saying about them? If it can't be effectively summarized in a single slide of bullet points, I assure you that most of it is going to melt into a buzz in your audience's ears. There is a limit to how much information human brain can absorb at once before you have to stop and think about it, which requires tuning out the lecturer.

      There's a reason why PowerPoint is so popular, and that reason is that it allows you to memorize the main points of the representation despite not catching most of the details. Of course, this rises the question of whether it really makes any sense to do the representation at all, rather than just emailing the bullet point list, but oh well.

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    14. Re:Powerpoint in the military by FuckingNickName · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you are lucky you will target 20% of the audience on average during the presentation.

      Is the proportion of British soldiers in US military presentations usually that large?

      *ducks*

      (literally)

      (-1, Flamebait)

      (literally)

      *ducks again*

    15. Re:Powerpoint in the military by Compaqt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The thing is, aren't most people so bad at speaking that, rather than listening to a long rambling speech and wondering what exactly the point was, it's just better that Powerpoint forces you to reduce your thoughts to a couple of bullet points per page?

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    16. Re:Powerpoint in the military by Compaqt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, it basically acts as an onscreen outline for the audience who might be wondering "where's this going?"

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  2. Should have kept his rant to PowerPoint by Sepodati · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He should have kept his rant to PowerPoint instead of basically saying he was a part of a worthless organization. You should expect to get fired in any industry when you say that to your boss or the media.

    -John

    1. Re:Should have kept his rant to PowerPoint by Walter+White · · Score: 5, Interesting

      [...] You should expect to get fired in any industry when you say that to your boss or the media.

      Who else here thinks that is exactly what he wanted. He's a Ph.D., stuck in the reserves in a sinecure job in Afghanistan. He just wants to go home.

    2. Re:Should have kept his rant to PowerPoint by kevinNCSU · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not only that, he specifically called out his own position as having too many and himself as unproductive. I think any of us would get fired if we went to our boss and said: "We have WAY too many software engineers, I can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting one! And I should know, I've got nothing but time to swing dead cats around the office because I haven't been productive in TWO full months! And let me tell you, their no fucking good once you hit a software engineer with one cause the tail breaks right off. You see? I mean look at this fucking thing, what am I supposed to do with a dead cat without it's fucking TAIL?! HOW am I supposed to SWING this thing now, HUH?! Tell me that BOSS man!?!?!"

    3. Re:Should have kept his rant to PowerPoint by WallaceAndGromit · · Score: 5, Funny

      The legs.

      There, I've increased your productivity by a factor of 5!

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  3. Power Corrupts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Power point corrupts absolutely

    1. Re:Power Corrupts... by blair1q · · Score: 2, Informative

      Had to click through a few things to actually see it:

      http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/04/us_marine_corps_general_powerpoint_makes_us_stupid.html

      and the original NYT piece:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/world/27powerpoint.html?_r=1

      both include some brilliant shit, and absolutely nail some of the things I've noticed about what PPT does to your information organization

  4. Jolly bad show, Colonel by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're either with the gargantuan effort to move the drinks cabinet six inches closer to Kandahar, or you're with the terrorists.

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  5. Excellent rant by confused+one · · Score: 2

    That was good. Not surprised he was fired; but, it was definitely good.

  6. Re:see power point can cost you your job by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember reading about this rant (or a very similar rant) awhile ago and I was wondering what the repercussions would be.

    Unfortunately sometimes you can't just talk one-on-one to everyone and you will have to present information to a large group. Your options for presenting information to a crowd:
    --vocal: just talking for an hour, which is popular in many religions, and we all remember what the sermon was about last Sunday, right?
    --visual text: just endless paragraphs so they can read along which, as far as I can tell, no one does
    --multimedia: pictures, audio and video that attempts to explain in a manner easily digestible, hence Powerpoint

    Sorry out of the 3 options I'd have to go with powerpoint presentations. I'm not sure what the Colonel would prefer, but I'm pretty sure there would be a quiet riot if someone walked in and just spoke for an hour or put endless pages of text up on a overhead.

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  7. Re:see power point can cost you your job by Romancer · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think you're missing the point (pun intended).

    He's talking about just relying on powerpoint to give information. To actually have the slideshow mean something without giving it any real information to start with.

    Crap in = crap out. (with pretty graphs and moving icons)

    He complains that just having a powerpoint presentation every 12 hours is not the same as having an actual breifing and discussion of information. It's not that you couldn't use powerpoint to do it, but that you have to have, as a goal, the need to actually accomplish something besides presenting a slideshow. Presenting the slideshow not a goal in itself as he claims that it is treated. He mentions that the slides don't even change. Now that would be a hell I would try and avoid.

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  8. Re:see power point can cost you your job by tool462 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Agreed. The content may have been inane, but that's not PowerPoint's fault.

  9. Re:His commanding officer... by gnasher719 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In another article I read there are some 1800 LT colonels, and 700 actual troop commanding jobs for them in the british army. that is just asking for trouble.

    You got your numbers wrong. One of these lieutenant colonels is supposed to command 700 troops. The number was that there are about 100 times that many in the British army, so 100 LT colonels would be needed. Out of 1800. Not 700, but 100.

  10. Re:PowerPoint sucks by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, PowerPoint just plain sucks.
    I disagree. I think Powerpoint, like all of Microsoft's products, does an excellent job of making someone who is not very good at a task, look at least competent. Microsoft seems utterly devoted to form over function. If it were not for Microsoft products, 90% of people in the computer industry today would be exposed for the incompetent boobs that they are.

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  11. Re:see power point can cost you your job by dsginter · · Score: 3, Funny

    Unfortunately sometimes you can't just talk one-on-one to everyone and you will have to present information to a large group. Your options for presenting information to a crowd:
    --vocal: just talking for an hour, which is popular in many religions, and we all remember what the sermon was about last Sunday, right?
    --visual text: just endless paragraphs so they can read along which, as far as I can tell, no one does
    --multimedia: pictures, audio and video that attempts to explain in a manner easily digestible, hence Powerpoint

    The delicious irony of explaining the situation with what might as well be a powerpoint slide. Nice bullet points. A+++ would buy again.

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  12. Re:He should be happy by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The military is a very large organization, and like any large organization, it has lots of people who are involved in running the organization rather than actually doing whatever the organization actually does. Based on my own service, I'd wholeheartedly agree that we need a lot fewer staff officers and a lot more boots on the ground, but pretending that the military -- or even that portion of the military deployed to the theater of operations -- is ever going to consist solely of people who are actively engaged in killing the enemy is just silly. An army without a command structure isn't an army at all, it's an armed mob.

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  13. Re:see power point can cost you your job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recently got out of the military. Powerpoint is used A LOT in the military because A LOT of the people being briefed are only able to handle highly formatted, repetitive, infovomit.

  14. Re:He should be happy by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Replying to myself to clarify: I'm not arguing with Colonel Sellin's point at all; he's absolutely right, and the service could use a lot more officers like him. I was replying only to Simonetta's comment that "If he isn't ... actively engaged in killing people ... then he has no business being there," which shows complete ignorance of how the military functions.

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  15. Re:see power point can cost you your job by professionalfurryele · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem is that Powerpoint, like Word, defaults to making it very easy for the user to do stupid things or does stupid things by default.
    Changing the font size on a slide should be difficult because you should very rarely if ever do it. Fitting more than 4 bullet points on a slide should be hard because you should very rarely if ever do it. There shouldn't be any templates that let you put half a billion graphs and a picture on one slide. Backgrounds shouldn't be complicated and busy by default. There shouldn't be default colour schemes that make Egyptian Hieroglyphs easy to read or reminds people of the good old days of green on black monitors.
    Transitions shouldn't be something one picks out of a line up, they should be something you look up how to do because you have a good reason. Unless you are trying to emulate the wipes from Star Wars then you have no good reason to go wiping slides from left to right distracting your entire audience. The default font for body text on a slide should be big enough that it is not only easy to read but also makes it impossible to write an essay on the slide.
    Most people are crap at giving Powerpoint presentations but can you really blame them? It's a piece of shit that just cant compete with something like Beamer for sensible defaults. It practically begs you to do 500 slides filled with wipes, animations, walls of text, half a billion shitty Excel graphs with crappy hard to understand axes, stupid colour schemes, shitty backgrounds and walls of text and then rush through the presentation like your morning coffee was laced with methamphetamine.

  16. Re:see power point can cost you your job by Gaffod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I do not understand this whole thing. The slide touted in your link as the epitome of what is wrong with PowerPoint slides (what does a complicated diagram have to do with presentations?) looks very useful. It illustrates many relationships between the many elements involved, and illustrates how ANSF, for example, has no effect on the economy or infrastructure or vice versa.

    Admittedly there is too much information in it, it should be split in 2 for showing institution interactions and concepts, and strength of relation should be shown by line thickness.

    I routinely deal with very similar charts for biochemistry and intracellular signaling. They are a godsend for those times when you get lost and forget which element does what, and with complicated systems I get lost every 5 minutes.

  17. Re:see power point can cost you your job by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It IS possible for something to just be terrible and still widely used for reasons of pure inertia and arbitrary (likely unintelligent) mandates. Not everything that is popular is also necessarily good.

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  18. Re:He should be happy by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If he's 61, he's lived through a few world-class military-political fuckups and knows better than you do about what happens when you let the terrorists run around unabated, and that the only way to prevent that is to put someone in harm's way, and if the pussies behind the keyboards won't do it, then you have to do it yourself.

    You can thank him when he gets home. I hope he decks you.

  19. A Lamborghini Dump Truck by MarkvW · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Our military is being wasted as an occupying army.

    In a war (a real war) the dumbass powerpointers would have their sorry asses shuttled out of the way. In Afghanistan, they're running the show. That's a sign just how messed up it is over there.

    1. Re:A Lamborghini Dump Truck by blair1q · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They run the show in every war. The thing about Afghanistan is that it's not a war so much as an attempt to start an economy and a cultural revolution while policing random thugs.

      Which means the people at the rear don't have anything of substance to work on, and are engaged in continually statusing each other on the things they put in place years ago hoping to accomplish the mission they knew was a marathon of cyclic behaviors, not a race to beat the Rooskies to Berlin.

      It sounds like they could combine the information flows and reduce the HQ by a significant number. But unless the person on top of them does that for them, they're going to continue the status quo, making only incremental improvements, because those show up as just as many bullets on their promotion packets.

      Hopefully either Petraeus or POTUS will jump into the circle and make some changes.

  20. Re:let's put it in perspective by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Taliban are inveigled into civilian populations throughout Afghanistan and half if not all of Pakistan.

    If we were simply to nuke those areas we'd get about a 0.01% ratio of bad guys to collateral damage. Then the rest of the world would rightfully come after us.

    So no. When that idea was presented (probably milliseconds after 9/11, probably by GW Bush), it was rejected as more expensive than just nuking ourselves.

    It's at this point you should expect someone to tell you to grow the fuck up. And if you didn't expect that, then you're even farther behind than I thought.

  21. Got the quote wrong by Frequency+Domain · · Score: 5, Funny

    If Powerpoint is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb.

  22. Obligatory... by humphrm · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... Damian Conway Presentation Akido plug... if you've never caught one of his talks, you must. There isn't much info on the web, because he never releases the presentation slides (the slides should back up the speaker, not replace him/her) and only a few people have written reviews of his talk (here's one.

    The one thing about Damian, he practices what he preaches. In his other talks about Perl, he follows his own rules. The slides are a tool, not the focal point. You really want to listen to what he says, and the presentation screen adds some spice, but doesn't distract the listener from *him*.

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  23. I'm in the USAF... by Jeian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... at least once a month, I get an e-mail informing me that there's a commander's call, or some such event.

    It never actually says this in the e-mail body, though. The actual date, time, and location, is in a single-slide Powerpoint file, attached to the e-mail.

    Powerpoint isn't the problem, people's over-reliance on it is the problem.

    1. Re:I'm in the USAF... by oneiros27 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Only once a month?

      In the agency I work for, we used to get noticed of meetings / workshops / retirements, etc. at least once a week that way. (Look, I can insert clip art!) Luckily, it's gone down in the last year.

      Unfortunately, my mom's a recently retired staff officer from a DoD organization, so I still get notices of newborns, holiday parties, etc, as those one-slide power point files.

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  24. Re:see power point can cost you your job by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uh..

    That slide is absolutely terrible. For one thing, it won't even be legible for anyone not doing the presentation in an IMAX theater, or at least one with individual screens. Certainly not the poorly focused SVGA projectors that seem to go hand-in-hand with it.

    Further, there's way too much information on there. People won't be paying attention to the presenter while that things up (at the IMAX presentation room, remember). They won't even be absorbing the information in it. They'll be lazily playing "Euler's Bridges" with the line art.

    You don't put an image like that up, except as a joke to help you introduce the glossy, high-resolution B-size handout and packet explaining it, close to the end of your presentation.

    The fact that you think it's actually a good idea goes a long way suggesting that powerpoint itself is a big part of the problem.

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  25. Re:Handy Note Area by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure there is plenty of room - it's called the other side of the page!

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