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Newspapers Cut Wikileaks Out of Shield Law

An anonymous reader writes "The US press has been pushing for a (much needed) federal shield law, that would allow reporters to protect their sources. It's been something of a political struggle for a few years now, and things were getting close when Wikileaks suddenly got a bunch of attention for leaking all those Afghan war documents. Suddenly, the politicians involved started working on an amendment that would specifically carve out an exception for Wikileaks so that it would not be covered by such a shield law. And, now, The First Amendment Center is condemning the newspaper industry for throwing Wikileaks under the bus, as many in the industry are supporting this new amendment, and saying that Wikileaks doesn't deserve source protection because 'it's not journalism.'"

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  1. LOLWUT? by bertoelcon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wikileaks doesn't deserve source protection because 'it's not journalism.

    Did the news industry forget what journalism is?

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    1. Re:LOLWUT? by mark72005 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, a number of years ago.

    2. Re:LOLWUT? by Swarley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They didn't forget. They all chose to pretend that it means something else. And by their definition, Wikileaks is most definitely not journalism. Wikileaks has never mentioned Lady Gaga even once! On a similar note, I highly recommend this from The Onion: http://www.theonion.com/video/time-announces-new-version-of-magazine-aimed-at-ad,17950/

    3. Re:LOLWUT? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Journalism is doing what your corporate sponsors tell you to say.

      Keep the voters split and controllable by using hot point issues.

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    4. Re:LOLWUT? by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Probably at least 14; you remember Drudge's influence on "journalism" during the Clinton years? He's just a linkmeister like most of the web now, certainly not more of a journalist than Wikileaks providing resources to NY Times, etc. But still influential and drives the news narrative since most journalists (supposedly) have him as a home page to launch their leads. Or that's what he became famous for from the late 90's anyway. It's hard to say if he's a leader or follower now from my POV... My point however is that journalists haven't driven the news by original, non-wire "news" in a long-time. It's been agenda-driven no matter who the "journalists'" leaders or masters are.

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    5. Re:LOLWUT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Drudge became famous (infamous?) after he broke a hard news story that the editors at Newsweek decided to bury out of political favoritism. So while you seem to condemn Drudge for his effect on journalism, he got his break precisely because old media had already abandoned journalism for cronyism.

      Sure, he mixes a ton of tabloid "news" in with hard reporting, plus aggregates news from other sources, but we've seen that for decades too.

      Drudge is only noteworthy because he showed that a small time nobody can defeat the incestuous world of maintstream reporting, where the cocktail circuit is more important than keeping an eye on the powerful and educating readers. He started the trend of watching the watchers to keep them honest by reporting the things they wanted to bury.

    6. Re:LOLWUT? by blair1q · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A sports reporter tweeted on Monday (this week or last week, i'm getting this second hand) that a ballplayer's suspension would be 5 games instead of 4.

      Numerous outlets picked it up and ran it as news.

      Thing is, he made it up. Deliberately. To demonstrate how many news outlets do zero confirmatory investigation before running stories.

      So what did his employer do?

      Fired him.

      I.e., it's going to get worse before it gets better.

    7. Re:LOLWUT? by Threni · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A lot longer than that, if you believe/read Chomsky. Challenging the wrong people is a career damaging move.

    8. Re:LOLWUT? by machine321 · · Score: 5, Funny

      (this week or last week, i'm getting this second hand)

      To demonstrate how many news outlets do zero confirmatory investigation

      I see what you did there.

    9. Re:LOLWUT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      All y'all obviously don't know the history of the news business. Vis. Randolph Hearst, or even more, the famous Tom Paine. The hypothesis of objective reporting has never been, and never will be, fact. ...
      Except for what I write. That's all objective truth! :)

    10. Re:LOLWUT? by CarpetShark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just shy of 9 years ago by my count.

      It started long before the careless war reporting. It started at least as far back as when they started posting press releases as stories, without any validation. Maybe when they started reiterating smear campaigns without checking the reasons why the smear started.

      And the newspaper industry wonders why it's dying? Because anyone can mindlessly reiterate a press release.

    11. Re:LOLWUT? by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can think of nothing better to say to you than this: Matthew 25:42-43 "for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;I was a stranger, and you didn't invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn't give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn't visit me.'"

      We help those that are on the bottom because letting people starve and go without basic food and medicine is fucking evil and vicious, okay? Good save us from Ayn Rand libertarians, and I'm a fucking Atheist, how sad is it I have to quote the bible to show that basic human kindness is something we ALL should strive for. Sadly too many have your "I got mine and fuck u" attitude nowadays. How fucking sad.

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  2. Why... by mike260 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...do journalists need special bonus rights over and above the standard package?
    What is the problem to which this is the solution?

    1. Re:Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Journalists are granted specific rights which others do not receive. For example, they have the right not to reveal the sources of their information. This is critical to their ability to report on sensitive issues where whistleblowers wish to remain anonymous. Other people can be forced to testify, so long as it isn't against themselves or their spouses, and be held in contempt of court if they refuse. There are other such rights, but I won't go through them all right now. The point is that this shield law is one such right.

      Journalists also have additional responsibilities to go along with this. For example, a journalist is expected not to reveal information that is a threat to national security, they are required to protect the identities of minors, and so on. Regular people don't have such restrictions, either.

      The logic here is that these are special privileges granted to journalists, and that bloggers and sites like wikileaks do not qualify for them. If everyone who puts up a post about what they had for lunch is suddenly a journalist, then everyone will have those privileges. But those privileges are not intended for everyone, and if everyone has them, they are going to get in the way. Then they are going to get taken away from everyone, including the real journalists.

  3. Thin end of the wedge by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If these protections - like being able to film cops at demonstrations - apply only to "accredited journalists" (or whatever you want to call them) then how long will it be before onerous demands are required to gain accreditation?

    I understand in some ways why they want to a closed shop and shut out bloggers and other herberts who they perceive as amateurs. But, so the proverb says, be careful what you ask for - you might just get it.

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    1. Re:Thin end of the wedge by Toksyuryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There actually is a group of "approved" churches. Ones that are on that list are not subject to taxation, while the rest are.

  4. Sickening by Haffner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Regardless of whether or not you support wikileaks, the method for taking one's rights is to first make a single exception that has some significant support, then follow it by expanding the law to include more and more exceptions, until finally some politician can say, "Well, how do we nail an *exception* masquerading as part of the general public?" and BAM, you have a new, inclusive restriction on your rights. The stable state of laws is always one of all or nothing. The moment you slip into in between, the law will move towards whichever end the government prefers. I don't get how the journalism doesn't understand that by making one exception, they lay the groundwork for more exceptions to be made, until eventually there is no source protection.

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  5. Re:Ummmm....wikileaks is foreign by Zeek40 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    US Politicians incorrectly believe that the US owns the entire internet.

  6. It's all about control by thewiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Our "friends" at the newspapers like it when they're allowed to keep information from the public and then publish it for the sensationalism. To have someone else horn in on their territory is not to be accepted. In the last 20 years I've seen the "news" business go from fact driven reports to "newstainment". I'd rather read the information that Wikileaks puts on their website and make my own decisions based on the FACTS. Wikileaks is more of a journalist trying to put out the information they get so that we aren't keep in the dark by politicians, TV news monkeys, and the "We'll do whatever our government tells us to do" newspapers.

    Apologies for the rant; I just get a little P.O.ed when the big guys are trying to squish the little guys who are willing to show us what's really going on.

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  7. Re:Journalism ain't what it used to be by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Informative

    Journalism used to be about taking risks to bring critical public interest information to everyone, with a strong ethic and moral code.

    On what planet? Here on earth journalism has always been about what will sell papers or garner eyeballs.
     
    I mean seriously, the drek quoted above gets posted and moderated 'insightful' every time a story about the media posted - but it is not now and never has been true.

  8. Re:Ummmm....wikileaks is foreign by jc42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    US Politicians incorrectly believe that the US owns the entire internet.

    Actually, there is an acknowledged problem that "American interests" (i.e., US-registered corporations) own and operate a large fraction of the world's international cables, and almost all of the intercontinental cables. So it's easy for the US government to think of at least the "Internet backbone" as US property.

    The Internet might be a better place if this problem were fixed.

    Of course, the corporate world is slowly becoming a truly international culture that is independent of mere governments, so maybe the problem is being fixed. Whether this is an improvement isn't clear.

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  9. In an alternate historical timeline by idontgno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Woodward and Bernstein are declared "not journalists", "Deep Throat" is unmasked and secretly prosecuted, the Watergate Hotel remains just another uninteresting building in the District of Columbia, and Richard M. Nixon, after successfully driving to repeal the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, goes on to third and fourth presidential terms.

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  10. Re:"Journalism" today by spidercoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and that's why the best news program on tv is a fucking comedy show, they don't hide it

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  11. It's one of many continual laments by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People do not study their history well, they learn maybe about major events, not about how people actually lived, and so they repeat bullshit over and over. As such a lot of people tend to be Neverwases. They look back to the good old days, where crime was low, people respected their elders, the press was honest and life was grand. You know, a past that never was.

    Yellow journalism has been the norm for a long time. There are publications that are better, and periods where things over all improve because of some inspiring people, but yellow journalism is the norm.

    But people don't study their history so things are always "getting worse." The press is "worse" now than ever (even though there is more independent journalism), crime is "worse" (though is has been trending down for like 4 decades), kids are lazy, people are stupid, music is bad, etc, etc, etc. All shit that more or less every generation has said and it has always been bullshit.

  12. Re:Ummmm....wikileaks is foreign by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aside from a few Scandinavian countries, there really isn't anybody else I would trust with the internet. Hell, even Australia is doing censorship and filtering, so really the US if not the best possible nation to control the internet is in the top 10 in terms of keeping it free. If it were to come under UN or other significantly multilateral control, all the backward moralists would use their clout to create some international censorship and filtering scheme. Just look at the UN resolutions about blasphemy and whatnot to appease religious whackjobs. If the UN could apply shit like that to the internet it would. The US is not the perfect keeper of the internet, but it is better than almost any other likely alternative.

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  13. Re:"Shield Law" IS special rights for certain peop by lennier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't give everyone an exemption

    It would be almost like you had to give everyone a set of clearly enumerated rights, and that would take some kind of bill.

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