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Video Appliance For a Large Library On a Network?

devjj writes "For the past year or so I have been trying (and failing) to figure out a reasonable solution for bringing my large media library to my living room. All of my media lives on an Ubuntu server that sits on my network. It's been very reliable and it's fast enough for streaming purposes. My content is exposed via SMB. It's the living room side where I keep running into problems. I am currently using Windows 7 and XBMC, but the case is too big and noisy, I don't particularly care for Windows, and the whole thing just seems overkill. What I want is a device that can present a decent UI that the non-Slashdot crowd would be able to use, but that is still powerful enough to stream full-fidelity 1080p. I dream of a small box that can transcode video over a network, but that's probably a pipe dream. The new Apple TV would be great if it could connect to network shares. What say you, Slashdot? Is what I'm looking for possible, or should I just give in to the iTunes/Amazon/whatever juggernauts?"

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  1. Popcorn Hour by mewsenews · · Score: 4, Informative

    No transcoding but it plays close to all formats

    http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/

    1. Re:Popcorn Hour by blair1q · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just looked all over their website and I can't make head or tail of what the thing really does.

      Do I have to load data on it or is a just controller and link manager? Does it have native wireless capability (the spec pages say no, the comparison page says yes)? How many boxes do I need to handle 2 PCs , 1 dual-tuner satellite dish/PVR, a BD player, and 3 TVs?

      I will never understand why anyone tries to sell a product the customer can't visualize. I will never understand someone who buys something the seller can't explain simply.

    2. Re:Popcorn Hour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      posting anon to preserve moderations

      It's a catergory of device known as a NMT - network media tank. There are various ones, and I have a popcorn A110

      You can put a hard drive in it and store/play media from there

      You can hook a usb drive to it and store/play media from that

      It also acts a a usb device, you can plug it into a pc and use it as a usb drive

      you can plug it into a network and hook up multiple servers, either via nfs/smb or http streaming (no wifi on mine)

      It runs ftp / http so you can browse it and use it, the device it self, as a server to stream media to your PC

      It has 'web apps' built it so you can view many online video services and video/podcasts etc, (but not youtube afaik)

      It has hdmi,composite and component out for video output

      it has optical out and phono stereo for sound out (and the hdmi)

      it plays just about everything i've thrown at it, full 1080p, dvd rips, xvids, crappy phone vids

      no lagging, no jumping, seeking it very fast even on 18GB blu ray rips

      Support for various video modes, refresh rates and 24fps, progressive/interlaced.

      In terms of hooking it to your TVs think of it like a set top box - so one device per TV, unless you want to take the output and split it/distribute it.

      I got it because I was fed up of a myth tv box whirring away in the corner of the living room

      This thing (without a HD inside) is silent. And by silent i don't mean nearly silent, but actually silent, no moving parts.

      I just point it at my video share on my linux server and it plays everything.

      For movies, you may want to check out YAMJ, whichi makes it all shiny and nice (think apple TV / xbmc) but tbh I don't need any of that 'I watch, I delete'

      Also, with a HD inside you can opt to have a torrent client (transmission IIRC) which will download straight on to it for your viewing pleasure..

      for ease of use and WAF / Child AF totally recommend.

  2. WD HD Live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Get a Western Digital HD Live box. It's cheap, tiny, quiet and plays videos with a large variety of codecs. Also does music of course, plus Pandora, Flicker, etc.

  3. WD HD Live is your friend. by Era · · Score: 5, Informative

    You will want this: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=735
    And this: http://b-rad.cc/wdlxtv-live/

    Simple, effective and above all...cheap.

  4. MythTV by Onthax · · Score: 4, Informative

    MythTV, do all the processing on the backend server and have a lightweight (quiet) frontend it should bolt onto your existing ubuntu server

    1. Re:MythTV by XanC · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly. I've used the ~$200 Acer AspireRevo as a frontend. Full HD and everything. Even got a Windows refund! (Well, technically it's still being processed, but they've agreed I'm supposed to get one.)

    2. Re:MythTV by TrevorB · · Score: 4, Informative

      Being a Slackware user for many years, I went the MythTV+Slackware route when I got my HTPC up and running. One day I managed to totally break my system and decided "What the hell, let's give MythBuntu a go". What used to be a 2 hour+ set up time went down to 10-15 minutes. I actually switched my server over to Ubuntu soon afterwards and haven't looked back.

      MythTV and Ubuntu (and mediabuntu) marry well together on both the backend and frontend. It's worth an afternoon to try out if you have the hardware around. I used nfs instead of smfs to connect the two, but the principles the same. Plus I have additional "TV" sets all around the house with dual booting partition. Those took a little extra time to set up but it is a bonus.

      Some of the new mini SSD based machines (Like the Acer Revo) might be the way to go for the frontend. They're powerful enough and can playback HD video. MythTV works great on my Asus EEE 901 running Ubuntu Netbook remix.

  5. PS3 by dtmancom · · Score: 4, Informative

    I researched this long and hard. I wanted what is known as a "Networked Media Tank," but I didn't have the bucks to make a poor decision and try again. I just plugged the PS3 into the receiver I already had, plugged it into the network, and pointed it at the folder on the server which had all of my music/photos/movies. On the server I installed "PS3 Media Server," which is freeware, pointed it at my media folder, and that, literally, was all it took. Plus the PS3 will play your Blu Rays, and as it is Sony, the firmware updates for new releases will always be available... unlike with the dedicated BD player I had from Samsung. Over a year later and I have never regretted the decision.

    1. Re:PS3 by r3verse · · Score: 4, Informative

      I second that. PS3, PS3 media server [http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/], HDMI into your TV. Transcodes anything the PS3 can't handle. That simple, and all for a ~$300 outlay, plus you get BD capability into the bargain. Can't be beat.

    2. Re:PS3 by zaffir · · Score: 5, Informative

      I do this for my PS3, and there are a few issues that would make me NOT recommend it for the OP.

      Occasionally my PS3 refuses to find the media server and both have to be restarted. Not a huge deal, but annoying- especially to someone who doesn't know how to reboot the media server.

      Sometimes PS3 Media Server doesn't get the auto-transocde right. So you have to browse to the TRANSCODE folder on your PS3 and select a transocde preset manually. Very handy for a techie, not user friendly at all.

      The interface on the PS3 kinda sucks. It's a basic hierarchy-style file browser. Yes you can find something if it's labeled properly. I have a "TV" and "Movies" folder, and in there each show or movie has its own folder and in that is the media file(s) associated with it. But after using XBMC or Boxee which automatically find your media, pull all of the metadata you'd ever want about it, then make it easily searchable, you'll realize just how much the PS3 is missing. They both offer WAY more in terms of usability, plus Boxee streams all kinds of fun internet content. I had occasion to run Boxee this summer after using my PS3 for 2 years, and it was like fucking magic.

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  6. XBMC + Acer Revo by mprinkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you want to roll you own, use XBMC on an Acer Aspire Revo R1600 ($200). It uses the Nvidia ION LE chipset that supports h264 offloading. I would use these myself, but I already have three Popcorn Hours.

    PCHs are nice, quiet, and cheap, but the UI is awful. It will require some tinkering to make nice. YAMJ is your friend (Yet Another Movie Jukebox).

  7. WD TV Live, PS3+UPNP, DLNA on the TV by cheeni · · Score: 5, Informative

    Option 1: ReadyNAS Duo (built in torrent client) + WD TV Live (simple remote)
    Option 2: Ubuntu server on network + PS3MediaServer + Sony PS3 (enable HDMI CEC for use with TV remote)
    Option 3: Fritz!Box 7270 + USB HDD + PS3 as DLNA client / built in DLNA client on TV
    Option 4: ASRock ION330 + Ubuntu
    Option 5: Mac Mini + Apple Remote + Plex / XBMC + NAS/USB HDD

    The key bottle neck is the network, if you can run LAN cables no worries, if you decide to go wireless 802.11n will do fine for 720p, 1080p is pushing it

  8. Shuttle XS35GT, Xtreamer by De+Lemming · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Shuttle XS35GT is a fanless box with the new NVIDIA ION2 GPU, if you put a SSD drive in it it's 100% silent. It should be able to handle H.264 1080p without a problem. You can run Linux (e.g. XBMCbuntu) or Win7 with XBMC on it. It also supports a DVD, DVD-RW or Bluray drive.

    Another option is the Xtreamer, I don't know much about it but it's cheap ($99, that's without a HD) and according to the site it can play 1080p (the new Apple TV only supports 720p). It has an option ("SideWinder") to attach external heat sinks to make it fanless.

    A good place for more information is the XBMC hardware forum.

  9. Re:Mac Mini + Plex by Firehed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a heads-up, I just tried this and ended up having to return the system. There appears to be some bug with their HDMI which can cause the machine to kernel panic, apparently when powering on either the display or receiver it's plugged into*. A damn shame, as it's otherwise very well suited to that kind of use. A compact, quiet, and fairly cool system that doesn't use a whole lot of power but still has no problem playing back HD video. Hooking the tower back up to the TV just sucks, as it uses about 50x the energy** and is massively overkill for that kind of use, and is certainly not compact by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe I'll dig out an old unused laptop instead.

    * I'm not 100% sure that's the cause, but it was as close as I ever got to diagnosing the issue. And this was after exchanging the system for a full replacement. If only only happened to one machine I'd blame the hardware, but two systems with identical problems tells me something else is at play. Of course, it could be specific to my TV+receiver combo too.

    **Which only bothers me because of the power bill. Effing hippies.

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  10. Re:Mac Mini + Plex: TRANSCODING SUX by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    WHY DO YOU PEOPLE WASTE TIME TRANSCODING ANYTHIGN???

    SO I CAN WATCH IT ON MY HANDHELD!!!

    (why are we shouting?)

    Seriously, there's lots of reasons to transcode. Not all movies are available for download in friendly formats. I recently got a beautiful DVD set of the silent film Greed by Erich von Stroheim and I wanted to watch it on something that didn't have an optical drive, away from home.

    How else but to transcode?

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  11. Re:Mac Mini + Plex by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Informative

    No shit, He can get a 1080p player from WD for about $120 that'll play just about any format thrown at it, uses something like 12w, and as a bonus is small and light enough he can easily take it and a USB drive anywhere he wants.I have set up a couple of these systems for those with kids and the WD boxes are pretty solid, no noise, and make a great replacement for the family DVD player. Blowing the money on a Mac Mini (or hell any PC unless he has an old SFF P4 laying around he isn't using) for a streaming player is just nuts.

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  12. From The /. Crowd by DynaSoar · · Score: 4, Informative

    for the non-*crowd, set-top ready.

    http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/home-entertainment/d3fe/

      Native 1080p video output at up to 1920x1080 resolution (check)
    - Analog recording of your favourite TV shows from Cable or Satelite (check)
    - Time-shift and scheduled recording (check)
    - Incredible variety of video and audio codec support including MKV (check)
    - Built in BitTorrent client for sharing and downloading video files (check)
    - HDMI, composite or component video output (check)
    - Optical SPDIF 5.1 Channel Dolby Digital audio output (check)
    - Takes up to 2.0 Terabyte SATA hard drive (check)
    - Built in samba server with UPnP implementation (check)
    - Oh and a completely sweet price! ($169, plus $35 for 1 to 3 week coming wireless N USB adapter4, plus you supply the SATA drive up to 2TB, and an external DVD burner if desired).

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