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Yellowstone Hot Spot Shreds Ancient Pacific Ocean

jamie passes along this excerpt from DiscoveryNews: "If you thought the geysers and overblown threat of a supervolcanic eruption in Yellowstone National Park were dramatic, you ain't seen nothing: deep beneath Earth's surface, the hot spot that feeds the park has torn an entire tectonic plate in half. The revelation comes from a new study (abstract) in the journal Geophysical Research Letters that peered into the mantle beneath the Pacific Northwest to see what happens when ancient ocean crust from the Pacific Ocean runs headlong into a churning plume of ultra-hot mantle material."

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  1. I hope I'm not the only one. by CaptainNerdCave · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did anyone else read the headline and think, "Great, another ridiculous claim about the damage being wreaked by wireless network signals"?

    1. Re:I hope I'm not the only one. by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Funny

      I wish. First I misread the title and thought yogi bear was skateboarding in the pacific and "shredding some wicked air." Then I though "WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!" Then I thought about eating some more pringles. Forgot to take my medication today. What were we talking about?

  2. Re:Funny typo by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

    Words which start with "I" are the property of Apple Corp.

  3. Re:Gulf of Mexico by MartinSchou · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is that why the oil wells keep catching fire?

  4. Flood basalts by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The author seems to imply that the Columbia River Basalts were generated by the mantle plume, a supposition that isn't in the paper's abstract. Far as I know the jury's still out there. Here's a pdf of a 2007 paper covering the same topic; or, if that won't open for you like it isn't for me at the moment, here's the Google Quick View version.

    1. Re:Flood basalts by khallow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The author seems to imply that the Columbia River Basalts were generated by the mantle plume

      That seems very reasonable given that at one point the two nearly coincide in position and time (cospatial and contempory) about 16-17 million years ago. Given this new information, I think we have a variety of reasonable guesses for how a hotspot can generate both a sequence of massive basalt floods and the lesser, but still substantial volcanic activity since. First, it is possible that most of the Columbia River basalts don't come from the hotspot itself, but instead come from melting of the fragment of plate that broke off, the lighter part of the melt may well have returned to the surface along the path cut by the hotspot's plume. Or the plate may have held back a significant amount of the plume, releasing a large bubble of magma at once.

      Sure, the jury is still out, but we have an interesting model that may explain a number of mysteries of the western US such as the origin of the Columbia Plateau basalt floods, the basin and range development of the Nevada area, and the anomalous acceleration of the North American plate during this time.

    2. Re:Flood basalts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a reasonable hypothesis. There is a track of age-progressive volcanism from the Columbia River Basalts to the Snake River Plain, leading up to Yellowstone today. I know there are legitimate questions about it, but it's certainly a coincidence in timing and location if the Columbia River Basalts *don't* have something to do with the hotspot that is now thought to be beneath Yellowstone. Geologists would have to come up with some other explanation for the large amount of melt generated in the mantle to produce the Columbia River Basalts.

      There have been questions about the nature of hotspots generally for long time (some people question whether they really exist -- hotspots certainly are hard to image geophysically), but the fact that *something* seems to leave a trail of volcanic centers across both continents and ocean floor that varies in age along the track is pretty consistent with something unusual happening in the mantle underneath. A good example is the trail of kimberlite pipes across northern Ontario (the ones east of Timmins), intrusives in southern Québec (the Monteregian Hills), the intrusives in the White Mountains in Vermont & New Hampshire, and then the New England Seamounts offshore, until the trail hops across the spreading ridge to the African side of the plate. That's a pretty persistent trail of volcanism, and there are plenty of other examples, some of which are also associated with flood basalt volcanism like the Columbia River Plateau.

    3. Re:Flood basalts by Mspangler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hope they fixed the paper; the map in the quickview version has the Great Salt Lake in Colorado, and Utah just south of Oregon. The text talks about Nevada, but someone messed up the map.

  5. Fix Wikipedia, please by mangu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A lot of people don't realize the gulf of mexico was formed by a giant hot spot like yellowstone.

    Perhaps you could fix the Wikipedia article adding that information. Remember, citations are always needed.

    1. Re:Fix Wikipedia, please by bunratty · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, forum posts are not reliable sources. Neither are blogs or self-published websites. In general, what Wikipedia considers to be a reliable source is a publication that has some sort of editorial control, such as a traditional newspaper or periodical, book published by a traditional publishing company, or a company's official website. That means that you can't just publish your own newsletter or book or website and then cite it in Wikipedia.

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    2. Re:Fix Wikipedia, please by Abstrackt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In general, what Wikipedia considers to be a reliable source is a publication that has some sort of editorial control, such as a traditional newspaper or periodical, book published by a traditional publishing company, or a company's official website.

      Like the Geocities page in the references for the UVB-76 article?

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    3. Re:Fix Wikipedia, please by penguinchris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think mangu's point is that the parent's assertion that the gulf was created by a hotspot is incorrect, if you believe what's in the well-cited Wikipedia article.

      (I'm a geologist, and while I don't know much specifically about the gulf, I'm pretty sure Wikipedia is right here).

    4. Re:Fix Wikipedia, please by game+kid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Internet people don't want to fix errors anymore. They want to point and laugh at the idiot who added them, and maybe caption them EPIC FAIL all the while.

      The Information Age is dead. Long live the Age of Lulz.

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    5. Re:Fix Wikipedia, please by toastar · · Score: 3, Informative

      or I could just cite Actual peer reviewed work:
      http://aapgbull.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/89/3/311

  6. So... by digitig · · Score: 2, Funny

    The East will rise again!

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  7. Great, just great. by pedantic+bore · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was hoping for a quiet weekend at home, and now it looks like I'll have to deal with an apocalyptic volcano that's going around breaking plates, wearing an ultra hot mantle.

    Great.

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    1. Re:Great, just great. by game+kid · · Score: 5, Funny

      You thought your life was going well, but you were just rearranging deck chairs on the Tectonic all along.

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  8. Re:Gulf of Mexico by thomst · · Score: 2, Informative

    A lot of people don't realize the gulf of mexico was formed by a giant hot spot like yellowstone.

    Unless it wasn't(pdf).

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  9. Very cool, but article exaggerates to sound cooler by penguinchris · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you look at the illustration in the article (and I assume in the original paper, I have access but have to login to a vpn and so on, I will see later since I'm interested), it's quite clear what happened and it's really not what you might think when you hear it "shredded" a tectonic plate. I think what's being implied is that it shredded the plate at the surface, but it happened far underground, in the mantle.

    As the subducting plate subducts, it goes down into the mantle and in this case the mantle plume weakened it (by getting into fractures or whatever) and broke it off. So the slab disappears down into the mantle eventually (though these can stick around for years, detached). It's very interesting, but the same thing often happens without being cut off by a mantle plume. It's more or less a guaranteed result in a subduction zone, because the subducting slab isn't strong enough to support its own weight pulling on it after a certain point. Makes absolute sense if you look at a diagram of how subduction works.

    Subducting slabs can also be cut off by things like strike-slip faults, which IIRC happened in northern California as a result of the San Andreas (don't quote me on that though). You can see the slabs in the mantle by various imaging techniques.

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  10. Whats the worst that could happen? by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Considering that they are talking there about ~20 millon years, could be as dramatic as the slow, gradual, taking millon years appearence of a new ocean in the middle of africa. Could eventually lead to a different world? probably. But could lead to catastrophic events per se, in the next i.e. 10000 years ? Don't think so... well, unless the supervolcano there decides to explode pretty soon, and that have any chance to make things even worse.

  11. Yellowstone National Park by calidoscope · · Score: 2, Informative

    One problem with tapping Yellowstone is that the geothermal fields are almost entirely within Park boundaries. Do keep in mind that the reason for Yellowstone becoming the world's first national park was to preserve it by preventing development.

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